caspian the 10th
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from what i read a while ago they were making the movies in the order they were published as books... i hope they do the rest of the books to movies, i really want to see horse and his boy done as a movie
Why I think Dawn Treader will be the last Narnia movie made.
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from what i read a while ago they were making the movies in the order they were published as books... i hope they do the rest of the books to movies, i really want to see horse and his boy done as a movie
caspian the 10th
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i dont think it will be the last one, i mean it dosnt make sense to be dropping a series not even half way thru....it may get pawned off to another studio again like universal or paramount but it most likly will get made... ( i hope )
Olórin the Wise
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I think TSC has hope of becoming a film adaptation. Look at it from the film maker's perspective: If VoDT grosses high enough (it's got $55 million so far), then there's nothing to prevent them from making another film. After all, making sequels to popular films is What We Do (see: Pirates of the Caribbean, Fantastic Four [as mentioned in this thread], etc. etc.) Furthermore, I think that TSC has the capacity of being a really good movie if done properly. With VoDT I was rather worried - even before they had started work on the movie - because the format of the book is rather odd. It's not your standard story - it's a travelogue, and as such it's very difficult to pull out of it a single coherent plot out of which you can make a movie. I haven't seen the movie yet, but from what I'm hearing from you guys they did a fairly good job with that. If they can do that with TSC, I think they definitely can with TSC, as TSC has a much more coherent plot and is, taken by itself, a really good adventure story. So, I have hope for the future.
'Course, if they decide that VoDT didn't make enough money and kill the series, we're all out of luck.
'Course, if they decide that VoDT didn't make enough money and kill the series, we're all out of luck.
NarniaExpert
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I think there is an important distinction that we need to make. You referred to loyal Narnia fans as one category. The people who visit NarniaFans.com and the people who read this forum are not Narnia fans. The people who use The Dancing Lawn are Narnia Extremists. The majority of Narnia fans have never heard of NarniaWeb.com or NarniaFans.com. The majority of Narnia fans are people who have read and appreciated the books. Most Narnia fans I know in the real world are people who love the books and vaguely knew that there was a movie in development, but had no idea about the release date or any details. A month before the film came out I had talked with friends who read the entire series, but had never seen the Dawn Treader trailer. They were excited for the film, but did not know too much about the details. Online I communicate with other Narnia Extremists who are the most dedicated fans, but we must remember that most fans don't visit NarniaFans.com and are not as dedicated as the Narnia Extremists who use this forum.
This post claims that a key factor for Voyage of the Dawn Treader's disappointing results is that Prince Caspian alienated the core audience. I have to say that I personally loved Prince Caspian. It is the best Narnia movie ever made and has been a faithful adaptation that is one of the top ten movies I have ever seen. There has been an incredible backlash against the film from "Narnia Extremists", but I have never talked to a Narnia fan in the real world who has hated the film. Voyage of the Dawn Treader was much further from the book than Prince Caspian and had a much poorer quality.
The most important thing for me is that the films are high quality. The most recent adaptation disappointed me. If The Silver Chair is made I hope they return to the high level of film and adaptation quality of the first two films. I hope they improve the script quality and make SC better than VDT. I think we may soon need to face the grim reality that not all seven books will be adapted into films, but I will be satisfied if the series ends with VDT because VDT is a fitting place to end the series. C.S. Lewis at one point intended that VDT would be the final book.
This post claims that a key factor for Voyage of the Dawn Treader's disappointing results is that Prince Caspian alienated the core audience. I have to say that I personally loved Prince Caspian. It is the best Narnia movie ever made and has been a faithful adaptation that is one of the top ten movies I have ever seen. There has been an incredible backlash against the film from "Narnia Extremists", but I have never talked to a Narnia fan in the real world who has hated the film. Voyage of the Dawn Treader was much further from the book than Prince Caspian and had a much poorer quality.
The most important thing for me is that the films are high quality. The most recent adaptation disappointed me. If The Silver Chair is made I hope they return to the high level of film and adaptation quality of the first two films. I hope they improve the script quality and make SC better than VDT. I think we may soon need to face the grim reality that not all seven books will be adapted into films, but I will be satisfied if the series ends with VDT because VDT is a fitting place to end the series. C.S. Lewis at one point intended that VDT would be the final book.
PunkMaister
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@NarniaExpert: Why on Earth people that are not fans at all even bother to come to a fan website and forums, seriously? You just call all of the members here as being Non Narnia fans! On what grounds? Again why would any of us bother to be here if we were not fans?
NarniaExpert
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@NarniaExpert: Why on Earth people that are not fans at all even bother to come to a fan website and forums, seriously? You just call all of the members here as being Non Narnia fans! On what grounds? Again why would any of us bother to be here if we were not fans?
The point was that the people who visit this website are not average fans, they are SUPER FANS. The typical fan is someone who has read the books and appreciated them. I have talked to several people in my church who love the books but have still not watched Voyage of the Dawn Treader. I think that the average fan liked Prince Caspian because I have yet to meet a single person in the real world who disliked it as much as the fanboys who hated that film. Only half of the real world Narnia fans I know have seen the new movie. This is a completely different category than the Narnia Fanboys who use these forums. I am not trying to discredit TDL members as being non-fans, I am just saying that the TDL members should be thought of in a separate category of extreme fans. The main distinction is that there is a difference between Narnia fans with a lowercase f who have only read the books and the Narnia Fans with a capital F who are much more engaged.
NarniaExpert, you are obviously welcome to your own opinions, but they somewhat astonish me. To call Caspian "a faithful adaptation" of the story is to display extreme ignorance of the plot line of the book. You're welcome to think what you wish of the quality of the film as a film, and to enjoy the plot of the film as a tale in its own right, but it is folly to pretend that the film was faithful to the book either in spirit or particulars.
If you've never talked to a Narnia fan in real life who "hated" the film, then you've never talked to someone like myself, who has been a fan of the books for over 40 years. Even I would not use the term "hated" to describe my reaction; "disappointed" would be closer. But regardless of how you personally received the film, the hard fact is that many, many true fans of the books were so alienated by what was done to the story of Prince Caspian that they became suspicious of following films. Though I have no empirical data to support my guesses, I nonetheless speculate that part of the reason Dawn Treader is doing poorly at the box office is that a certain percentage of lovers of the books walked out of Caspian saying, "Never again" - and meant it.
Also, I disagree with your assessment of frequenters of the NarniaFans forum. I'd categorize them as more fans of the movies than of the books, though there is an admixture of both.
If you've never talked to a Narnia fan in real life who "hated" the film, then you've never talked to someone like myself, who has been a fan of the books for over 40 years. Even I would not use the term "hated" to describe my reaction; "disappointed" would be closer. But regardless of how you personally received the film, the hard fact is that many, many true fans of the books were so alienated by what was done to the story of Prince Caspian that they became suspicious of following films. Though I have no empirical data to support my guesses, I nonetheless speculate that part of the reason Dawn Treader is doing poorly at the box office is that a certain percentage of lovers of the books walked out of Caspian saying, "Never again" - and meant it.
Also, I disagree with your assessment of frequenters of the NarniaFans forum. I'd categorize them as more fans of the movies than of the books, though there is an admixture of both.
Copperfox
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I am a _very_ engaged Narnia Fan. I also share with Mr. Lewis the experience of military service--though unlike him, I was never shot at. Thus, among the themes of the Narnian books, I especially treasure the theme of a veteran helping the new troopers along. Of a _competent_ Peter Pevensie helping along a _teachable_ Caspian. This was a _major_ element of the _book_ "Prince Caspian," and Andrew Adam-SNOT intentionally trashed it in "Prince NON-Caspian." From beginning to end of that _worthless_ film, Adam-SNOT purposely deprived Peter of ALL dignity as a mentor. Even the duel with Miraz was no longer Peter's idea, it became Teen Idol Caspian's idea.
In the U.S. Navy, there is a speech traditionally addressed to a retiring sailor, which includes these words: "The watch is relieved--relieved by those you have trained." This speech gives respect to the departing veteran. But at the end of "Prince NON-Caspian," the attitude taken toward Peter was "What a relief to be rid of all your fumbling and stumbling; you did everything all wrong; with helpers like you, we didn't need enemies; now that you're leaving, someone who has a clue can take over. Don't let the magical doorway hit you on the way out."
I am heavily word-of-mouthing the new movie; and my biggest selling point with people is that the "Dawn Treader" movie _repairs_ the damage which Adam-SNOT intentionally inflicted on the franchise.
In the U.S. Navy, there is a speech traditionally addressed to a retiring sailor, which includes these words: "The watch is relieved--relieved by those you have trained." This speech gives respect to the departing veteran. But at the end of "Prince NON-Caspian," the attitude taken toward Peter was "What a relief to be rid of all your fumbling and stumbling; you did everything all wrong; with helpers like you, we didn't need enemies; now that you're leaving, someone who has a clue can take over. Don't let the magical doorway hit you on the way out."
I am heavily word-of-mouthing the new movie; and my biggest selling point with people is that the "Dawn Treader" movie _repairs_ the damage which Adam-SNOT intentionally inflicted on the franchise.
I think we can mark CF down as "undecided" ;D.
Copperfox
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You're right. I have not yet decided whether Adam-SNOT should be forbidden ever again to come within fifty miles of any movie studio or filming location, or whether he could still be allowed to clean the restrooms at a studio.
Aravis Kenobi
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Tried to reply to this earlier, but the server was "too busy". Go figure.
Anyways, I like your post. I don't think the problem with Dawn Treader's lack of success at the box office is publicity. Good grief, I've seen so many ads and tv spots it's unreal! I think people were scared off by Prince Caspian more than anything.
NarniaExpert
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You used plenty of extreme adjectives to make a strong statement, but I understand your message. After reading that I can see that there were some lost opportunities where Peter could have been a mentor in the character development of Caspian. I thought that Peter's character was very realistic for what someone in that situation could do. The main change I noticed in Prince Caspian was the castle raid which I enjoyed. The castle raid was also an important point in Peter's character development because it was a scene needed to break Peter's pride. After being king of Narnia he felt that he knew what to do and did not need the help of Aslan, his defeat was needed to humble his character and show that he needed to follow Aslan's plan and not his own. I loved Prince Caspian and probably hold an opinion of it that is contrary to most TDL members. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader did a much better job focusing on the characters of the story. As a whole I thought that Prince Caspian was closer to the book than Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Prince Caspian didn't have an evil green smoke monster in it.
I think that the two "Adamsnot" films had a much higher level of quality than this film. There are several different factors in this movie so I can't blame Michael Apted for the film's quality. I thought VDT improved when it came to cinematography and character development, but lacked in script quality and faithfulness to source material. I would be glad to see "Adamsnot" return because in my opinion PC and LWW were fantastic movies that were closer to the books.
Arvan
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You know, despite what Adamson did to PC, I think I'm starting to agree. Apted's VDT was not as faithful as PC when it comes to the basic storyline. I have some friends who LOVE the books and thought this movie wasn't as good as the previous ones. My best friend didn't like Suspian and was furious about Peter's brathood in PC, but he said that VDT was lame and PC was actually better. That's from a book fan's perspective. All the same, while I'm not as irritated with PC as Copperfox, I have to agree that it was badly adapted in many places when compared to that beautiful LWW.
These posts are examples of why people say to beware of self-appointed "Experts."
Aravis Kenobi
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Ouch. But I kind of agree. I mean, the people here aren't more of a Narnian fan than anybody else. To me the forum has always existed so that people who love either the books, movies (or both) could discuss those things that are dearest to them...and to find and make friends regardless of where they are. The people here aren't "extremists" or "more Narnian" than anybody else on this planet.
And to me, Dawn Treader wasn't any further from the book than PC was.
Let's try to keep this thread on the topic of Dawn Treader. There are other threads for discussing Caspian.
bjdoureaux
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I would just like to add to this discussion that, while there were things in Prince Caspian I was upset about (namely Peter's character changes) I loved all 3 films, even the points where they strayed away from the books... and I loved the books before the films were done.
I will see any Narnia films they choose to bring to the screen, and I think there are others (both on and off this forum) who agree... and I hope THAT will keep them making the movies, and making them as close to the books as possible. To me, the most important thing is that the films keep Lewis' basic message of redemption and faith. With all the garbage hitting the big screen these days, we NEED these films!
I will see any Narnia films they choose to bring to the screen, and I think there are others (both on and off this forum) who agree... and I hope THAT will keep them making the movies, and making them as close to the books as possible. To me, the most important thing is that the films keep Lewis' basic message of redemption and faith. With all the garbage hitting the big screen these days, we NEED these films!
MrBob
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"Apted's VDT was not as faithful as PC when it comes to the basic storyline."
Arvan, I disagree. I found the basic storyline of VotDT to be a bit better in terms of source material than PC. In both movies, it was what was put in and taken out that was the problem. In VotDT, they goofed by introducing the mist and the seven swords plots. It seemed like they tried too hard to make it supernatuiral when a plain fantasy adventure would have sufficed.
MrBob
Arvan, I disagree. I found the basic storyline of VotDT to be a bit better in terms of source material than PC. In both movies, it was what was put in and taken out that was the problem. In VotDT, they goofed by introducing the mist and the seven swords plots. It seemed like they tried too hard to make it supernatuiral when a plain fantasy adventure would have sufficed.
MrBob
TimmyofOz
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I still see no reason that the series should end now. The big mistake that Disney made was that it increased the production budget on Prince Caspian when it should have know that such a sequel would never have done as well as the first movie. Fox spent a lot less on production for Dawn Treader and if it makes as much money as Prince Caspian, then Fox has every reason to make The Silver Chair. And The Silver Chair's production budget will probably be even less than The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. You don't need to spend a lot to make a good movie, you just need a good script.
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