White Which=kirtle Lady? Jadis is the Emerald Witch

Y. Fish

Y. Fish

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Hey, maybe some of you guys can help me settle a long-standing debate between my friend and me:

I think that the White Witch and the Lady of the Green Kirtle are the same person. They act in similary evil ways and we already know that the Witch has changed her appearance and name once before (Jadis), plus in the edition of the book where they give you the guide to the characters they say they're the same person.

My friend says they're different people, because the White Witch got killed in LWW. I dunno... somebody that evil would be hard to keep dead...

What do you all think?
 
Originally posted by Y. Fish@Mar 12 2004, 10:20 PM
we already know that the Witch has changed her appearance and name once before (Jadis)
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Wasn't her name always Jadis? It was in TMN and LWW. I would say definitely not the same person. There are subtle differences in the characters, but I don't have time to go into that now...
 
Well, yes, I guess I didn't phrase that right-- I meant that she changed from Jadis into the White Witch, not vice-versa. I was just kinda musing-- they probably are different people, I just thought it would be interesting if they were the same.
 
Originally posted by Y. Fish@Mar 15 2004, 05:32 PM
I meant that she changed from Jadis into the White Witch, not vice-versa.
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no she was always Jadis... the "White Witch" was what the Narnians dubbed her, that's all.
 
Okay, okay-- you guys are right, she was always named Jadis and she's not the same person as the Lady of the Green Kirtle. Guess my brain just got fuzzied up on the story. I probably need to re-read the books, just after I finish the book I'm reading for English, and the book my brother told me to read, and the book my friend's dad wrote, and the book I still need to return to my other friend that I've had in the bottom of my locker for a year... :blink: oy vei, I've got a lot of reading to do...
 
Hmmm, I knew that Jadis and the White Witch were the same person, and I've always thought that J/WW was the Lady of the Green Kirtle too. But now I'm not sure. J ate the Apple of Youth and so I would assume that she wouldn't die. But then that makes me confused as to why the WW was destroyed in LWW. So, I'm just as puzzled as you....guess that didn't help much. But yeah, I've always wondered.
 
Okay, just read something interesting:
in my narnia books, under "Cast of Characters":

JADIS. The last Queen of Charn, which she herself destroyed. Jadis arrives in Narnia with Digory and Polly in The Magician's Nephew and has taken over the land as the White Witch in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. Completely evil, she is also very dangerous in The Silver Chair.

I don't know about you guys, but I think the publisher might be right about her being the same woman, albeit her means of attack and attitude is a bit different.
 
I am reading MN right now and had the thought that perhaps when Aslan and P, S, L, and E defeated the White Witch something like Tolkien did with Sauron happened where her spirit lived on, but had to come back underground...that would explain why it took her quite a while to take over the underworld and make the plans to retake Narnia....

just a random thought
 
Maybe when Aslan pounced on her, he slammed her THROUGH the ground! :eek:
 
You know, it never says anything about the "Green lady" being large, a giantess.
And Lewis is always commenting on Jadis's grandness and her height. Just a thought. ;)
 
Yup, I'm pretty sure they are not the same woman or Lewis would have brought it into the story somehow. Authors don't make a connection like that for no reason, and since there is no reason, I see no connection. (*crosses arms stubbornly across chest*) ;)
 
I agree with Leafy... there is no reason for Lewis NOT to point out that she's the same person if she is, so why doesn't he? I don't know why the publisher said it was the same person, though... I'd like to know what brought them to that conclusion.
 
Originally posted by faeriechylde@Apr 15 2004, 02:44 PM
I don't know why the publisher said it was the same person, though... I'd like to know what brought them to that conclusion.
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Lunis raises an eyebrow,"As would I, my dear Fae."
Thinks aloud, "May be the publisher is a bit dim-witted." :mellow: ;)
 
Originally posted by Lunis@Apr 15 2004, 09:53 AM
You know, it never says anything about the "Green lady" being large, a giantess.
And Lewis is always commenting on Jadis's grandness and her height. Just a thought. ;)
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:mellow: (tried to find a smilely that looked like it just heard an interesting thought, this was as close as I could get)

I hadn't thought of that before, Lunis. Good point.
 
JADIS. The last Queen of Charn, which she herself destroyed. Jadis arrives in Narnia with Digory and Polly in The Magician's Nephew and has taken over the land as the White Witch in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. Completely evil, she is also very dangerous in The Silver Chair.
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Thats the publishers opinion, not C.S. Lewis's. Those "Bios" weren't in there when he was alive.

Jadis and The Lady Of The Green Kirtle are totally differant people. Just look at their personalitys
 
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