From Creation to White Witch's rule

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Hello ya'll,

I was wondering(as I cannot recall even though I just recently finsihed 6--all except LWW--over Christmas Break) if there is any references to any kings/queens or happenings from the Creation to the White Witch's rule?

I know they mention a Hare(cannot remember his name--he could hear from lampost to Cair Paravel) but others I do not remember.

I am writing a fan-fic about how the Witch came to her rule, and it encorporates the ruined giant city, City Ruinous, and I hope when I post everyone will enjoy.

Stephen
 
as far as i know i dont think it does. I have always wondered what happened to the apple tree that made it so she could come to power
 
Unless Jack Lewis wrote anything outside of the Chronicles that gives us further insight, I don't believe we have any other chronological information concerning the 1,000 years from the creation of Narnia to the coming of the Pevensie children. In The Magician's Nephew we learn that King Frank and Queen Helen of Narnia's children married various creatures of Narnia, i.e. the River god's daughters, etc. One of their sons became the first King of Archenland, hence the relationship between Narnia and Archenland; and no doubt other descendants traveled beyond the castle of Cair Paravel (which no doubt was built by King Frank's descendants) to the Lone Islands.

I have always been curious about what happened to the apple tree, but then the answer had slapped me right in the face: the Great Winter. As long as that tree remained in Narnia, Jadis wouldn't come anywhere near it. So she fled to the North, where she advanced in the studies and uses of dark magic (i.e. the creation of her wand, a way of concentrating her powers - a nice toy to inflict fear in the hearts of all who would dare question or oppose her). By creating the Great Winter, the tree that had so long protected Narnia perished, and now Jadis (who made the false claim that she was human and therefore had the right to rule over Narnia) could freely come and go as she pleased.
 
thats a pretty good explaination of the tree... so the tree could still be there, and just not mentioned again (well atleast to were i am in PC)
 
No, I don't believe the tree could still be there, for, as Aslan told Digory in TMN, the White Witch wouldn't go anywhere near Narnia if that tree were still there. Hence the Great Winter, and therefore the destruction of that marvelous tree. Once it was gone, Jadis was free to come and go as she pleased through Narnia, although in constant fear of the prophecy.
 
Curumo said:
I have always been curious about what happened to the apple tree, but then the answer had slapped me right in the face: the Great Winter. As long as that tree remained in Narnia, Jadis wouldn't come anywhere near it. So she fled to the North, where she advanced in the studies and uses of dark magic (i.e. the creation of her wand, a way of concentrating her powers - a nice toy to inflict fear in the hearts of all who would dare question or oppose her). By creating the Great Winter, the tree that had so long protected Narnia perished, and now Jadis (who made the false claim that she was human and therefore had the right to rule over Narnia) could freely come and go as she pleased.
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Hmm - plausible, but I think it a bit of a stretch. The implication was that the tree, while it stood, would totally protect Narnia from all incursions by the Witch, even weather from a distance. To me, the answer seems simpler: the tree died of old age, as trees do. Remember the Narnians were warned to protect it, and surely they did, but even wonderous trees with magical roots eventually grow old. I don't think you have to look further than that for an answer.
 
kirke said:
why would that tree die but the other (non-magical) trees survive
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A good question, to be sure. Just part of the fun and fantasy of the Chronicles of Narnia, I should imagine. After all, it was a magical place much unlike our own world. But if you think about it carefully, Jadis wouldn't ever have gone to Narnia if that tree were still there.
 
PrinceOfTheWest said:
Hmm - plausible, but I think it a bit of a stretch. The implication was that the tree, while it stood, would totally protect Narnia from all incursions by the Witch, even weather from a distance. To me, the answer seems simpler: the tree died of old age, as trees do. Remember the Narnians were warned to protect it, and surely they did, but even wonderous trees with magical roots eventually grow old. I don't think you have to look further than that for an answer.
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That, too, is a reasonable thought. Though I have always thought of that tree as being immortal (part of the magic of Narnia - unless, of course, it had been killed by something or someone), but then again, just like the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden, we don't see them around anymore (and for very good reasons!).

It's left open to speculation. :D
 
I didn't think there was, but just thought that I would ask before I got to far into the fan-fic. So thanks. BUt just incase you do find anything, just let me know.
Stephen
 
In regards to the original post, there was also King Gale, who killed a dragon in the Lone Islands to wind them for Narnia. Also, the Calormenes must have come from Earth at some point (like the Telmarines), unless they were somehow descended from Frank and Helen. The same goes for the other nations; the references to visits to the court of the High King, people who lived in Telmar before the Telmarines came, and non-Northern enemies of the Calormenes fought by Bree before his escape imply that there are quite a few other nations beyond Calormen.

In regards to the question of the tree, we know it had a connection to its offspring in London; maybe when the Earth tree was knocked over, the Narnian tree fell, too. It may even be that the point where the Pevensies entered Narnia from the wardrobe was over the remains of that tree, with the wardrobe travel effectively being from the one tree to the other.
 
It is a very nice story, but indeed it is a theory. I was wondering if there was any "hard-core" evidence, because I am writing a fan-fic such as this one. Mine, however, is very different.

I did enjoy this one very much, thanks for the link.
:) :)
 
sfreak said:
How many years between the rule of Frank and the White Witch
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The series never mentions how long between the rule of King Frank and the Whit Witch's rule, but I believe it is generally accepted as 1000 yrs.

Stephen
 
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