How Did Peter Know Who Prince Caspian Was?

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Ok, they haven't been to Narnia in a little while, things have changed. New people have arrived and the Narnia they know doesn't exist anymore, except for Aslan of course. How did Peter know who Prince Caspian was?

Also, I wish they used the bit in the trailers where Susan asks "Who are you?" and Caspian says "I am Prince Caspian" (despite how it was different in each new trailer). It would have worked out better if they asked who he was, he said who he was and maybe he could have given some background about how he got there, etc.

Sorry, I'm just confused about that and wish it had been done differently. :confused:
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Trumpkin told them about Caspian and the circumstances of the Old Narnians. Peter eventually realized who Caspian was after the beasts and animals of Narnia appeared. There was only one Telmarine they were loyal to.

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MrBob said:
Trumpkin told them about Caspian and the circumstances of the Old Narnians. Peter eventually realized who Caspian was after the beasts and animals of Narnia appeared. There was only one Telmarine they were loyal to.

MrBob
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Yes. In the book trampkin told them the whole story behind the war and who Caspain was. WE didnt see it in the moive as t would hav takien to much time, but I think we are ment to belive that Tramkin explaned more to the Pevenices than we see in on sreane.
 
Also, the trailer does not necessarily follows the movie. The bit where Susan asks "who are you?" could've been for somebody else, maybe Trumpkin and Caspian may have told someone else, "I yam Prrince Casspian".
 
Yah, I kind of wondered that too, because Peter and Caspian were fighting, then the girls came running up as if they knew Caspian and couldn't believe Peter was fighting with him, but none of them knew what he looked like or anything. I would have preferred they had done this more like in the book when the brothers rush in and help Caspian and Cornelius in their fight with Nikabrik.
 
There is a bit of a continuity problem here since in the film Trumpkin is captured by the Telmarines before Trufflehunter and Nikabrik find out who Caspian is.
The only way Trumpkin could have figured things out was if he managed to recognise the horn straight away when it was lying on the ground, heard it blown and was able to put things together from what his captors said later. Presumably Miraz learns about the horn from information gained from Trumpkin under torture before sending him off to be murdered at Cair Paravel.
This is unlike in the book when Trumpkin is deliberately sent by Caspian to Cair Paravel to meet the Pevensies if they turn up there when the horn is blown and he is captured on the way.
 
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I would imagine that Trumpkin figured out who the person who winded the horn was by listening to the people at the Telmarine Castle, He told the Pevensies all he knew.

EDIT: Trumpkin may have even been in a cell next to Dr. Cornelius.

EDIT 2: I don't think the girls knew who Caspian was, they knew that there were Dwarves, Centaurs, and Talking animals ready to come to his aid and so they guessed he was a good guy.
 
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it may just be me but i thought that it sounded like it was a question :D

as if peter's realising the narnians are on the same side as him and has put the pieces of the puzzel together :D
 
It was, the question of this thread ought to read, "How did Peter know about Prince Caspian at all?"

I realized after I posted that Trumpkin may have been in the cell next to Dr. Cornelius that would not have worked since Dr. C wasn't arrested until after Trumpkin was rescued bu the Pevensies. However I doubt that Dr. Cornelius would have let the opportunity to talk to a full-blooded Dwarf pass him by, so he may have found some pretense to go and talk to Trumpkin while he was imprisoned at Miraz's Castle.
 
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I doubt that Dr. Cornelius would have let the opportunity to talk to a full-blooded Dwarf pass him by, so he may have found some pretense to go and talk to Trumpkin while he was imprisoned at Miraz's Castle.
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That might have been what alerted Miraz to Dr Cornelius`s involvement in Caspian`s escape as well! Although, If he`s learned from Trumpkin that Caspian had Queen Susan`s horn he must have a few questions as to where he got it from.


The thing is, its clear that Trumpkin knows far less about Caspian`s plans in the film than he does in the book, he must be trying to lead the Pevensies to the treehouse in the Shuddering Woods rather than Aslans How since all he knows is that the horn was blown and it was probably Caspian who was responsable. He would pick up Caspian`s name either from Dr Cornelius or, more likely from Miraz when being questioned about the missing prince`s wherabouts.


This kind of explains the fight as the only `Old Narnians` Peter has spotted are Minotaurs, and the last time the Pevensies saw any of those they were fighting for the White Witch. Caspian spots a human (Peter) concealed and attacks and its only when everyone else appears that they both realise its all a big mistake.
 
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The bit about the trailer where Susan asks "Who are you?" and then Caspian answers "I am Prince Caspian." is a typical example of how trailers are put together for movies. Pieces of dialogue are taken from part of the film and edited to match up with another piece of dialogue to present a condensed market form of the story. The part where Caspian gives the answer in the trailer is really used when he wakes up after being hit in the head and is talking to Trufflehunter and Nikabrik. The Susan part, I don't remember exactly where it was, but my guess is that it would have been when they met Trumpkin or it's from a scene that was cut out of the film.
 
I've been reading through this whole thread, and am struck by the fact that you all have spotted something that the highly paid screenwriters missed: that by messing with the storyline, particularly the blowing of the Horn, they left a gaping hole in the narrative flow. In the story the way they rewrote it, there would be no reason for Trumpkin to know anything about Caspian, or the Old Narnians rallying, or the organizing of the resistance against the Telmarines. They pick up the story with the Pevensies rescuing Trumpkin from execution, and then the journey to meet up with the Old Narnians unfolds pretty much as in the book, but the question of "why are they doing that?" is never answered.

A diligent writer (as Lewis was) is always asking himself questions like, "What does this character know? How does he know it? How does this knowledge affect his actions?" Prince Caspian as originally written was seamless and coherent, but once it was hacked up, it left choppy holes like this.
 
A huge hole. The way it was in the movie, Trumpkin had no idea what was going on or what had happened. He could not have known who Caspian was either so it doesn't make sense for Peter to figure it out just like that.
 
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UH-OH......that is a mistake beyond comprehension for me right now. I'll need the DVD :D to make sure for myself, but that is pretty big knowing it from my memory anyway.
 
Right, a whole lot of the film plot rides on a quick glance Trumpkin has of the horn lying on the ground close to Caspian in the opening scene.
He has to recognise it for what it is in the brief period before he runs off to draw the persueing Telmarines away from the treehouse, be in earshot when Caspian blows it and make the other connections later.
Since Trufflehunter and Nikabrik also recognise it once its in their possession then its reasonable to assume that the horn`s discription is well known to all `Old Narnians` so I suppose he COULD have recognised it straight off.
He`s one smart cookie if he does though!
 
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