Joyeux Noël

Driad54

Driad54

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Has anyone seen the movie, Joyeux Noël?
It's a foreign film, so I wouldn't be necessarily surprised if you hadn't..
 
I haven't seen it. But if what I read of its publicity is an accurate representation, it's just the million billionth movie "daringly" following the exact same playbook: the message that both sides are always the same in any war, that there is never ANY valid cause to fight, and interestingly, if OUR side will disarm itself and grovel, all dictatorships will suddenly turn sweet and peaceful. These messages are ALWAYS preached to a society which ISN'T bloodthirsty anyway, while the real aggressors in the world are spared from having to listen to it.
 
If it's the one I saw, no, I dont remember Natalie Portman. It was a lovely little story about a season of celebration that lasted a very short while between two opposing factions in WW I. The sad thing though was, as soon as the authorities found out, then all the leaders of the unofficial detente were severely punished almost as having been collaborators, when all they'd really done was celebrate Christmas.

CopperFox, I understand you really hate the idea that there might not be a "right" and "wrong" side in a war, but I am saying as a moderator, your tendency to turn every thread into your own little soapbox verges on spamming, which is against TDL policy.

Since you hadn't seen the film, you could very easily have avoided commenting on the film. Please do not continue to use every thread as a place to proclaim your political ideas. Please confine that to threads specifically about those topics. Thank you.
 
I think Copperfox just misunderstands the concept of the story. So no fault of his. I really encourage him to see it though.

It really was a beautiful story. I like the whole tense beginning. Where they start blaring the bagpipes and it goes back and forth between the sides. :)
 
Inkspot, I have seen plenty of stories like it, and its own publicity pointed in exactly that direction (see their advertising line, "Without an enemy there can be no war"). As for making a soapbox, you can choose to say that about anything I do that is more substantial than only saying "Oooohh, that's wonderful." So you tell me: can I do anything other than say "Oooohh, that's wonderful," and not be told I'm off topic? If that's the actual rule here, that I can't say anything else on threads I didn't create, I can easily satisfy it by henceforth ignoring all threads except roleplaying, prayer, Bible quizzes, and Writing Club projects.

P.S. Telling me to go to political threads is a joke, since those get locked up at the drop of a hat.
 
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So, now if we say what we think on a thread and it is at odds with what moderators think, it can merely be deemed "spam" and its contents are no longer valid or useful to anybody else and are publicly shunned?

Noted.
 
Since they are working me to death, for a moment I thought it was Christmas time already and I hadn't even noticed!!!
 
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No, comments are not instantly deemed spam just because a moderator disagrees. I don't believe Inky was making a comment on disagreeing or not. What she said was that there is no point in making a comment on something the poster is not familiar with. If someone asks what people thought of a movie and you haven't seen it, there's no reason to critique it. By all means, ask about the movie to see if you might be interested in it. But arguing about something you don't know is spamming.

CF~A more appropriate way to respond could have been something like "I haven't seen the movie but I did see some publicity on it and it didn't appeal to me. I had the impression the movie was promoting the idea that there is no right or wrong side to war. That's not an idea I agree with so I doubt I'll see the film. If that's not the case however, I'd be interested in hearing how the film did portray war."
That way you still can say what you heard about the movie and that it didn't appeal to you but it doesn't turn the discussion from one on a movie to one on war.

And as far as political threads go, if people can discuss a topic without insisting those who disagree are wrong, we would keep the threads open. Unfortunately, there is more often than not a lack of respect for other viewpoints and an insistence at being right. So the political threads get locked.
 
Beloved said:
So, now if we say what we think on a thread and it is at odds with what moderators think, it can merely be deemed "spam" and its contents are no longer valid or useful to anybody else and are publicly shunned?
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No, see OMS' response below, and also this thread
http://narniafans.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26006
If you have nothing relevant to say on the topic, then don't say something that's off topic just to further a viewpoint you feel strongly about. Instead, start your own topic in the relevant forum. I believe CF already has a "Moral Equivalency" thread in the Socratic Club where his comment would have been appropriate. He could have linked to this thread in that one, and his comments would not have been spam. But outside the Socratic Club, in a thread about a Christmas movie, they certainly were out of place. It's just a matter of obeying the forum rules.
BarbarianKing said:
Since they are working me to death, for a moment I thought it was Christmas time already and I hadn't even noticed!!!
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LOL! No, not quite!
onlymystory said:
No, comments are not instantly deemed spam just because a moderator disagrees. I don't believe Inky was making a comment on disagreeing or not. What she said was that there is no point in making a comment on something the poster is not familiar with. If someone asks what people thought of a movie and you haven't seen it, there's no reason to critique it. By all means, ask about the movie to see if you might be interested in it. But arguing about something you don't know is spamming.

CF~A more appropriate way to respond could have been something like "I haven't seen the movie but I did see some publicity on it and it didn't appeal to me. I had the impression the movie was promoting the idea that there is no right or wrong side to war. That's not an idea I agree with so I doubt I'll see the film. If that's not the case however, I'd be interested in hearing how the film did portray war."
That way you still can say what you heard about the movie and that it didn't appeal to you but it doesn't turn the discussion from one on a movie to one on war.

And as far as political threads go, if people can discuss a topic without insisting those who disagree are wrong, we would keep the threads open. Unfortunately, there is more often than not a lack of respect for other viewpoints and an insistence at being right. So the political threads get locked.
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Right on, OMS, thank you!

And for the film, I realize I said WW I in my original post, but if I'm not mistaken, it was actually WW II, so this would make it a different film from the Truce story, which did happen in WW I as I recall. But it was a very similar thing -- two opposing forces in a standoff at Christmastime with a no man's land between them, and how that gap was bridged, at least for a short while.

That part was sweet, but the end was tragique. :(

And no, only portions of it were in subtitles. It was mainly in English as I recall.
 
I think I've seen this movie. Is it under WW1, during Christmas, Germans, French, Englishmen and scots comes out of their trenches to greet eachother, and to have a christian sermon?

Wonderfull movie, if that's the right one. You can see all the factions different personalities, and you get to know that every induvidual has a unique face, personality and so forth. We're all humans, even in war.
 
Doffen said:
I think I've seen this movie. Is it under WW1, during Christmas, Germans, French, Englishmen and scots comes out of their trenches to greet eachother, and to have a christian sermon?

Wonderfull movie, if that's the right one. You can see all the factions different personalities, and you get to know that every induvidual has a unique face, personality and so forth. We're all humans, even in war.
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That sounds right except I was thinking it was WW II. I could be wrong though; if it's WW I, then it is probably the same story as The Truce. Now that I think about it, I am pretty sure it is. And yah, it was a very touching film.

One other thing ...
So, now if we say what we think on a thread and it is at odds with what moderators think, it can merely be deemed "spam" ...?
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I forgot to say, Beloved, that it doesn't matter whether the mod agrees or disagrees with what's been said -- what matters is if it was relevant to the topic.

For instance, if I had replied, "I never saw the film but from what I read about it, it glorifies the notion that Jesus was born at Christmas and is the Son of God! What rot!" That would have been unacceptable, too -- not because I disagree with it, but because it is only tangentially related to the thread topic. The debate about whether Christ was divine belongs in a separate thread.
 
Yeah I'm almost positive it was WW I for the sole reason that it was trench warfare, which characterized the entire war. Until the tank came around.. :)

Doffen said:
Wonderfull movie, if that's the right one. You can see all the factions different personalities, and you get to know that every induvidual has a unique face, personality and so forth. We're all humans, even in war.
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Yeah exactly.
 
Driad54 said:
Yeah I'm almost positive it was WW I for the sole reason that it was trench warfare, which characterized the entire war. Until the tank came around.. :)
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Yeah I'm a 100% sure it was WW 1. It's said to be a true story (If I remember correctly), and it was trench warfare. But the Englishmen actually did have a tank during WW 1 ^^
 
Doffen said:
Yeah I'm a 100% sure it was WW 1. It's said to be a true story (If I remember correctly), and it was trench warfare. But the Englishmen actually did have a tank during WW 1 ^^
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Wasn't it developed during the latter years of the war? But I"m pretty sure it was almost ineffective haha.

Yeah I believe it was a true story as well, which is totally mind blowing.
 
I finally got this film out of the library and watched it this afternoon.
It was....beautiful. I've never seen such a moving,deep film in all my life. I was in tears through most of it,but I loved it.:)
 
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