Just what kind of Narnia weather did the witch have?

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I actually saw the Golden Compass and decided to go back and check it out on Narnia.

While both dealt with little girls in Arctic weathers (I.E the Witch's Narnia and the North Land of whats that thing). The cast never ever had, I don't know how to say it properly English, blow steam out of their mouths while talking/breathing.

So either Narnia/Icy north had snow at room temperature, or Lucy and Lyda must have rather low body temperatures :D

Also, how on Earth did Prevensies manage to not fall sick after running around in wet coats (after the dunk in the lake) while under freezing conditions (ok it was warming up, but certainly not that fast)
 
now that you mention it, you can't see the actors breaths in LWW. I read somewhere *not sure if it was for LWW or not* that if you eat icecubes before you shoot, it actually prevents the breath-steaming thing because it cools your mouth down. Maybe they did that in order to prevent the actors from having "steamy" breaths to get a cleaner shot. :confused: and the wet coats in winter really don't make sense but once the Pevensies set foot in Narnia, the spells started breaking, meaning winter was ending and spring was beginning. If that was true, it's very possible it had become warm enough for the Pevensies not to get sick when they had wet coats. I mean basically, in the next scene, all the snow\ice has melted. It had to be fairly warm for that to happen.
 
OK, I think I remember in one of the movies there being in at least one scene someone having "smoke" coming from their breath.

More to the point of the second question was how did they even manage to hold on while being ducked under the water for so long. The intensity of the ice-cold water combined with the current would be too much.

For that matter, where was the current coming from that was originally taking the ice sheets away so fast before the waterfall broke through?

But really, it was warming up pretty fast. Note that when they left their coats on the tree limbs, the snow had already melted from the ground so much that they were walking on mud and grass. When they got to Aslan's camp, it was gone.

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In order to be that warm (I.E the coat don't matter) the heat must risen so fast we do see fog, steam, or something.

it's very possible it had become warm enough for the Pevensies not to get sick when they had wet coats.

I don't think it was really that cold in the first place though, remember when Edmund and Lucy came to town either even shivered when they first stepped in. If you came from an warm weather like a home in England than instantly into arctic weather, it would be cold.

P.S wasn't there suppose to be an scene of Edmund pulling the sled?
 
Yes, in the book Edmund was forced to drag the sled. As for the Pevensies getting soaked in the movie, it was just a case of director and screenwriter getting sloppy with logic for the sake of what they hoped was a thrilling scene.

Similarly, in the movie of "The Fellowship of the Ring," they inserted an Indiana Jones escapade in Moria with the crumbling stone stairway. It did no harm to have such a scene, but they got sloppy with logic. Aragorn and Frodo were made the very last ones to cross the gap, so that the audience would be more in suspense about their fate; but considering how vital both of them were to the future of Middle-Earth, Gandalf should have seen to it that they went across first. It would still have been suspenseful enough if, say, Gimli and Sam had been the ones temporarily stranded; but cast billing was placed above internal story-logic.
 
Yes, I agree with Copperfox. I always thought that, in both movies, they left things like out (or changed things) because they thought it would look better onscreen. Aside from adding dramatic scenes, things being always able to see the actors' breath might be difficult to CG, or just distracting to watch. Etc.

(Same for LOTR...why was Frodo ALWAYS last?! Not just in Moria...Gah!)

But yes, the Canuck in me tends to be amused or annoyed annoyed when people in movies run around in the wintertime without hats, or when they get dunked in icy water and aren't cold. Artistic license, but still. :rolleyes:
 
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I have no clue how to explain it for the "Golden Compass" movies, but for Narnia, I suppose it was the will of Aslan :D
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And the snow and ice was quicly thawing after their plunge in the river so my guess is the water was not that cold, had it been ice cold they would have never been able to get out of the river as Hypothermia would have wreak havok on their bodies.
 
The Land of NoD said:
In order to be that warm (I.E the coat don't matter) the heat must risen so fast we do see fog, steam, or something.

it's very possible it had become warm enough for the Pevensies not to get sick when they had wet coats.

I don't think it was really that cold in the first place though, remember when Edmund and Lucy came to town either even shivered when they first stepped in. If you came from an warm weather like a home in England than instantly into arctic weather, it would be cold.

P.S wasn't there suppose to be an scene of Edmund pulling the sled?
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Look at the old sailors for example. When they were in arctic water (they still do, btw) they dipped their hands in the arctic water with their cold protection clothing on. There are several "tricks" how to manage coldness with wet clothes, and sometimes, wet clothing and even help you regain your warmth. I've experienced this a houndred times myself.
 
Well, let's not forget that Lewis wasn't completely consistent with his imaginary world, particularly with Lion. For instance, where did Tumnus' packages come from? And where did Mrs. Beaver get the makings for her marmalade roll? Or the tea? Some of Lewis' own contemporaries called him on it, and he had no answer. One wouldn't expect his account of things like the sudden thaw to mesh perfectly with a geological account of such a thing.
 
Jackie Chan once filmed one of his early kung-fu movies in Korea in winter. He relates that he and other cast members, when shooting outdoor scenes, were ordered to drink ice water immediately before each take, so that there _wouldn't_ be clouds of water vapor forming around their faces as they spoke.
 
PrinceOfTheWest said:
Well, let's not forget that Lewis wasn't completely consistent with his imaginary world, particularly with Lion. For instance, where did Tumnus' packages come from? And where did Mrs. Beaver get the makings for her marmalade roll? Or the tea? Some of Lewis' own contemporaries called him on it, and he had no answer. One wouldn't expect his account of things like the sudden thaw to mesh perfectly with a geological account of such a thing.
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Yes Lewis was a great individual and a pretty good writter but details is not something he paid much attention too, in fact it was one of the things that Tolkien argued with him...
 
Guys, I don't think we are to debate Lewis's work, I am more concerned with the movie itself.

Unless there was a ice-water dunking scene in the LWW book and I missed it. In short, we have to presume the guys and girls and animals did have steam out of their mouths unless otherwise.

Well, let's not forget that Lewis wasn't completely consistent with his imaginary world, particularly with Lion. For instance, where did Tumnus' packages come from? And where did Mrs. Beaver get the makings for her marmalade roll? Or the tea? Some of Lewis' own contemporaries called him on it, and he had no answer. One wouldn't expect his account of things like the sudden thaw to mesh perfectly with a geological account of such a thing.

Mind you, there is nothing wrong with the rolls and tea. More than one writer (in fact most of them) use relative same period explanation so the readers can understand and relate to the scene without problem.

Go look at some old star trek movies and compare to more recent ones. You would almost shutter how backward the old Enterprise was judging by the equipment that were shown on the bridge (2000+ years in the future tech is controlled by equipments and modules from the 70s)

Imagine the sheer amount of time Lewis have to spent to waste in order to explain every little bit of new food that went into the prevneies's stomach.

And I doubt it would Edmund would had been tempted by something absolute strange he cannot relate to.
 
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Since the witch's spell seems to only have effected Narnia itself, many of the food items could have come from the southern countries. Calormen traders were not uncommon throughout the books. And both the beavers and Mr. Tumnus were giving the best they had to their honored guests. As already stated the river scene was not in the books. But remember also the magic of Narnia on human bodies. The children by this time were much more robust than normal English children and thus more able to ward off the effects the cold. Last, I was working outside digging snow this weekend and I don't remember seeing my breathe all the time. Seeing your breathe isn't constant in the cold.:D
 
Actually, if you watch carefully the scenes when Lucy first goes through the wardrobe (the part they filmed in the Checkoslovakia you can see Lucy and Mr. Tumnus have steam coming out of their mouths.
 
The steam was put in by CG and yes it is there in parts. They weren't filming in real snow during most of their scenes. They were in a few, but there's still steam around their breath at times. I don't see much of a problem with it. It may not be perfect, but there are bigger errors that took place during the filming that are more obvious. The film is Andrew Adamson's version of Narnia as opposed to Lewis'.
 
actually you can see steam come from thier mouths in LWW if you look close enough (though maybe not in all scenes) and also some of those scenes were shot in actual snow (I remember, on one of the bonus features, them sympathising with James about being topless and in green pants in the freezing cold) so of course there would be steam.
 


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