Truman
Banned
It's also illegal to make copies of music and freely distribute them to others at your will... like what David Arnold did with the "Independence Day" music.... but the music was unreleased, and therefore uncopyrighted, so he could do whatever he wanted with the extra music.
And yes, you can have something uncopyrighted, like Kent Hovind's seminars, or Vance Ferrell's "The Evolution Handbook." Those are classified in the fine print as "uncopyrighted" and freely distributable... Interestingly enough, the Kent Hovind material still says that you can't copy the dvds and sell the copies, yet it's uncopyrighted.
The same exists for the bootlegged scores: they were never released. And yes, royalties do matter. If it isn't usable by the producers, it has become, by definition, public domain, just like any other classical piece of Bach or Mozart. No one cares.
So... would you like me to send you some samples of "The Recording Sessions"? This was even mentioned in an article on this website as a bootleg, yet no condemnation was given toward it by Paul, or any other in charge.
And yes, you can have something uncopyrighted, like Kent Hovind's seminars, or Vance Ferrell's "The Evolution Handbook." Those are classified in the fine print as "uncopyrighted" and freely distributable... Interestingly enough, the Kent Hovind material still says that you can't copy the dvds and sell the copies, yet it's uncopyrighted.
The same exists for the bootlegged scores: they were never released. And yes, royalties do matter. If it isn't usable by the producers, it has become, by definition, public domain, just like any other classical piece of Bach or Mozart. No one cares.
So... would you like me to send you some samples of "The Recording Sessions"? This was even mentioned in an article on this website as a bootleg, yet no condemnation was given toward it by Paul, or any other in charge.
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MrBob
Well-known member
Even unreleased music falls under the title of Intellectual Property. They created it and legally control what can be done with it. The producers have the option to sue anyone who has the bootlegged music.
Of course, the "bootlegging" of copywritten music has been going on for a long time. In the 80s, stores sold blank audio cassettes with the intention of recroding songs on them. These songs were all copywritten, yet the industry did nothing. Now that there is the internet and greater access, it is suddenly a problem.
MrBob
Of course, the "bootlegging" of copywritten music has been going on for a long time. In the 80s, stores sold blank audio cassettes with the intention of recroding songs on them. These songs were all copywritten, yet the industry did nothing. Now that there is the internet and greater access, it is suddenly a problem.
MrBob
Truman
Banned
First of all, we're talking about film score, not just any music. Film score has the unique property of being manipulated at will by any user, hence the fact that actual composers of the music don't actually have rights to it (except on rare occasion), yet they share it with whomever they please (like David Arnold; Hans Zimmer; John Williams; etc.).
Secondly, the rights to unreleased score is subject to whoever owns it at the moment. You can rip the end credits off a dvd for your own personal listening enjoyment; is that illegal? No. The same is done with many bootlegs where people remove and add however they want to music from the film. The case then ensues with studio-produced music, which releases itself to the public regardless of what happened before; in some cases the composer himself is actually involved in the bootlegging (i.e. David Arnold). Sometimes the producers get so nervous about the public's want that they release the actual bootlegs officially, sometimes changing the names of the songs so their mistakes are covered up. The best example I can give of this is the re-release of all three "Indiana Jones" soundtracks, which are all bootlegs people made because of the lack of certain cues. How do you explain the plain-sight listings of the bootlegs on respected websites like SoundtrackCollector?
It's a totally different story with film music as compared to regular mainstream rock, pop, jazz, and other various genres. With soundtrack music you have all sorts of unheard cues that aren't ever released on CD, and therefore the public never has it. That's why "The Recording Sessions" of LWW is neither condoned, nor condemned on the article on this website.
Now, would anyone like a sample cue? I have it, personally; wonderful music that I'm surprised was never released before. 
Secondly, the rights to unreleased score is subject to whoever owns it at the moment. You can rip the end credits off a dvd for your own personal listening enjoyment; is that illegal? No. The same is done with many bootlegs where people remove and add however they want to music from the film. The case then ensues with studio-produced music, which releases itself to the public regardless of what happened before; in some cases the composer himself is actually involved in the bootlegging (i.e. David Arnold). Sometimes the producers get so nervous about the public's want that they release the actual bootlegs officially, sometimes changing the names of the songs so their mistakes are covered up. The best example I can give of this is the re-release of all three "Indiana Jones" soundtracks, which are all bootlegs people made because of the lack of certain cues. How do you explain the plain-sight listings of the bootlegs on respected websites like SoundtrackCollector?
It's a totally different story with film music as compared to regular mainstream rock, pop, jazz, and other various genres. With soundtrack music you have all sorts of unheard cues that aren't ever released on CD, and therefore the public never has it. That's why "The Recording Sessions" of LWW is neither condoned, nor condemned on the article on this website.
Now, would anyone like a sample cue?
I have it, personally; wonderful music that I'm surprised was never released before.
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MrBob
Well-known member
"First of all, we're talking about film score, not just any music. Film score has the unique property of being manipulated at will by any user, hence the fact that actual composers of the music don't actually have rights to it (except on rare occasion), yet they share it with whomever they please (like David Arnold; Hans Zimmer; John Williams; etc.)."
Truman, film scores are the intelletual proterty of the production company. That does not change just because it is not released. Now the companies may not care what becomes of the unreleased music, but it does not change the fact that it is their property to do what they want to do.
The proof is if you were to try to sell the music, making it perfectly clear that it was the music from the unreleased scores. they may threaten lawsuit to stop you from profiting from their own property.
MrBob
Truman, film scores are the intelletual proterty of the production company. That does not change just because it is not released. Now the companies may not care what becomes of the unreleased music, but it does not change the fact that it is their property to do what they want to do.
The proof is if you were to try to sell the music, making it perfectly clear that it was the music from the unreleased scores. they may threaten lawsuit to stop you from profiting from their own property.
MrBob
Truman
Banned
But the fact is that no one tries to sell unreleased soundtrack music. It's all shared among the public. It's like watching streamed movies online for free; that's perfectly legal, and that's my point. This is why the production companies wouldn't care even if it were happening before their eyes. It'd be a waste of their time to do anything because it's useless music that they don't profit off of, and neither do we.
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MrBob
Well-known member
"But the fact is that no one tries to sell unreleased soundtrack music. It's all shared among the public. It's like watching streamed movies online for free; that's perfectly legal, and that's my point."
Truman, I only stated that the music belongs to the companies under which it was created. They are free to allow the public to have access, or ignore the fact that the music has entered the public without their express permission.
As for streaming movies, that is a grey area. If the company does not own the rights, they are doing so illegally. It's like going to your friend's house to watch a bootlegged version of a movie in theatres. You watching it may not be illegal, but your friend buying it is illegal as were the people selling it.
MrBob
Truman, I only stated that the music belongs to the companies under which it was created. They are free to allow the public to have access, or ignore the fact that the music has entered the public without their express permission.
As for streaming movies, that is a grey area. If the company does not own the rights, they are doing so illegally. It's like going to your friend's house to watch a bootlegged version of a movie in theatres. You watching it may not be illegal, but your friend buying it is illegal as were the people selling it.
MrBob
Truman
Banned
Either way, the producers know exactly what's going on (there's always someone to report). Yet, they do nothing. What does that tell you?
...Well no, it's not the same as watching a bootleg at a friend's house. Websites that stream movies for free are full access. Just type "watch free streamed movies" and you'll get all sorts of results. The producers of every film know these websites exist, it's not like a friend's house where no one but you and your friend know what's going on in private. The reason why no one is cracking down on these hundreds of websites is because of profit: no one is making money. Not the producers, and not the public. It's free-access, just like any bootlegged soundtrack. The only difference between soundtrack bootlegs and streamed movies is the fact that unreleased music is unavailable to sell, while the movies are.
I agree, the movie area is indeed sketchy, but if it's unreleased music that will never get sold, then there's no point for any producer to claim rights.
MrBob, my point is that since this LWW music will never be released (and it's downloadable and listed in many places already; even has the cover and full track list on this very website), we can have any sample we like, and I'm sure you'd like to hear some tracks as well. Wadduya say?
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MrBob
Well-known member
"Either way, the producers know exactly what's going on (there's always someone to report). Yet, they do nothing. What does that tell you?"
Truman, I've just been pointing out that the legalities. In this case, the producers do not seem to care about their unreleased music.
"Websites that stream movies for free are full access. Just type "watch free streamed movies" and you'll get all sorts of results."
Just because you get results does not mean that they are streaming it legally. In this case, the streaming movies are taking away from the profits of the studios. The websites that are streaming the movies can get into major trouble if they are doing it without licence from the production companies. Try to bring a video camera in to a theatre. It is illegal to bootleg movies period whether for your own enjoyment at home or for profit. Streaming is bootlegging.
As for the LWW music, It would be interesting to hear it. Is it available online?
MrBob
MrBob
Truman, I've just been pointing out that the legalities. In this case, the producers do not seem to care about their unreleased music.
"Websites that stream movies for free are full access. Just type "watch free streamed movies" and you'll get all sorts of results."
Just because you get results does not mean that they are streaming it legally. In this case, the streaming movies are taking away from the profits of the studios. The websites that are streaming the movies can get into major trouble if they are doing it without licence from the production companies. Try to bring a video camera in to a theatre. It is illegal to bootleg movies period whether for your own enjoyment at home or for profit. Streaming is bootlegging.
As for the LWW music, It would be interesting to hear it. Is it available online?
MrBob
MrBob
Truman
Banned
I got mine from a torrent file through LimeWire. You can probably find it at "torrentz.com" or RapidShare, or RapidLibrary... or MegaUpload. If you want a sample I'd just prefer sending it to you via email (takes a lot less time, and I did the same for a few others already). Here's the tracklist:
* = Longer Version
** = Shorter Version
† = Alternate Version
Disc 1:
1. The Blitz, 1940
2. Evacuating London, Parts 1 & 2*
3. Where
4. Brothers
5. Mrs. McReady
6. The Wardrobe*
7. Lucy Meets Mr. Tumnus*
8. A Narnia Lullaby
9. Confused
10. Just Your Imagination
11. From Western Woods to Beaversdam**
12. Peter, Wake Up!
13. Evacuating London, Part 2†
14. Hide & Seek
15. Beaver's Home
16. They're After Us
17. The White Witch**
18. Inside
19. Discovered
20. The Adventure Begins
21. The World of Narnia
22. Father Christmas
Disc 2:
1. Across the Melting River
2. To Aslan's Camp, Parts 1 & 2*
3. To Aslan's Camp, Part 2†
4. Sadly
5. You Have To Lead Us
6. Perpetual Winter
7. Knighting Peter**
8. Aslan and the Witch
9. Narcissism
10. The Stone Table, Part 1†
11. The Stone Table, Part 2*†
12. The Battle, Part 1
13. The Battle, Part 2**
14. Aslan's Resurrection
15. The Royal Coronation
16. Only the Beginning of the Adventure
This isn't an "extended" soundtrack, as some tracks are cut short and some songs are completely omitted. I could send you the whole shebang right now, and even throw in some covers. The original covers aren't ever big enough for download, and they were made back before the unreleased material was titled (each unreleased track was simply titled "Unreleased"). You can find better covers for "The Recording Sessions" here (I made those myself). You'll find picture links to the rest under the front cover link. Do you want me to send over all the music files, or just certain ones?
* = Longer Version
** = Shorter Version
† = Alternate Version
Disc 1:
1. The Blitz, 1940
2. Evacuating London, Parts 1 & 2*
3. Where
4. Brothers
5. Mrs. McReady
6. The Wardrobe*
7. Lucy Meets Mr. Tumnus*
8. A Narnia Lullaby
9. Confused
10. Just Your Imagination
11. From Western Woods to Beaversdam**
12. Peter, Wake Up!
13. Evacuating London, Part 2†
14. Hide & Seek
15. Beaver's Home
16. They're After Us
17. The White Witch**
18. Inside
19. Discovered
20. The Adventure Begins
21. The World of Narnia
22. Father Christmas
Disc 2:
1. Across the Melting River
2. To Aslan's Camp, Parts 1 & 2*
3. To Aslan's Camp, Part 2†
4. Sadly
5. You Have To Lead Us
6. Perpetual Winter
7. Knighting Peter**
8. Aslan and the Witch
9. Narcissism
10. The Stone Table, Part 1†
11. The Stone Table, Part 2*†
12. The Battle, Part 1
13. The Battle, Part 2**
14. Aslan's Resurrection
15. The Royal Coronation
16. Only the Beginning of the Adventure
This isn't an "extended" soundtrack, as some tracks are cut short and some songs are completely omitted. I could send you the whole shebang right now, and even throw in some covers. The original covers aren't ever big enough for download, and they were made back before the unreleased material was titled (each unreleased track was simply titled "Unreleased"). You can find better covers for "The Recording Sessions" here (I made those myself
). You'll find picture links to the rest under the front cover link. Do you want me to send over all the music files, or just certain ones?
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CaspianGirl
New member
I got the LWWSES CD today, and it's really cool. I watched all of the special features on them, and I found them quite interesting.