Prince Caspian/Two Towers similarities ** SPOILERS**

Sven-El

Sven-El

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I think it is safe to say that with the Narnianfilms this last one is going to be this franchises equivliant to the Two Towers. Both films had there share of controversial changes in characters ( Peter, and Caspian in Narnia, Faramir and Treebeard in TTT), an immensly popular fan favorite brought to life ( Reepicheep in PC and Gollum in TTT), a battle that didn't take place in the book ( the Warg attack while heading for Helms Deep in TTT, Night Raid in PC.) Diminished characters , ( Eomer and Dr. Cornelius) Also Peter Jackson tried to do with Arwen what Adamson did with Susan and have her fight at Helms Deep. ( Tolkien fans were probably more adament in voicing their opinions which got him to cut that part. Plus there's more of them on aintitcool and they tend to cuss up a swarm. So he had to listen then. Meanest thing we'd say is "Blast you!") Added romantic subplot ( Aragorn and Eowyn had considerably more going on in the films then the books and of coruse theres the Susan Caspian stuff.)

also both films were dividing points between fans.

And complaints that the "message" was toned down have also surfaced for both films.
 
I can see it, I do think that PC is infinitely better than the Two Towers, but then again, I actually surprisingly loved PC and I am not a LotR's Fan at all.
 
I totally thought Two Towers when I saw the trees!!!! They both had the trees being the climactic intervention in the battle ... I thought that anyone who had seen TT and had never read PC would think, "Oh, it's the Ents again ..." It almost seemed totally to rip off TT, in my mind.

Not that Lewis ripped off Tolkien; they both were writing at the same time and Lewis had the whole Naiad/Dryad thing going where Tolkien invented the Ents. But people who just watched the movies would have no way to know this and would probably think they just used the trees as an easy and convenient way to get a bunch more soldiers on our side ...
 
One must read both sets of books to understand everything, but I did feel some heavy similarities to "Two Towers" in PC. At times I even felt that the movie was similar to "Star Wars," of all things! But anyway, the lighting of the film at night had a Helm's Deep-effect to it, and the way the trees did began moving was slightly Entish, but Ents don't use their roots like the Narnian trees do! *That was cool* We'll see how things turn out; it is only the second week of the film's release, but in terms of the actual film itself, I do agree that PC is a lot like "Two Towers."
 
General Oreius said:
One must read both sets of books to understand everything, but I did feel some heavy similarities to "Two Towers" in PC. At times I even felt that the movie was similar to "Star Wars," of all things! But anyway, the lighting of the film at night had a Helm's Deep-effect to it, and the way the trees did began moving was slightly Entish, but Ents don't use their roots like the Narnian trees do! *That was cool* We'll see how things turn out; it is only the second week of the film's release, but in terms of the actual film itself, I do agree that PC is a lot like "Two Towers."
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I've read both countless times! Granted the fact that there are similarties woudl happen even in the texts as Lewis and Tolkien did inspire each otehr greatly.

I've actually read some where that Adamson is good friends with Peter Jackson so there being similarties in the Narnian films works well too. ( save the polarizing effects with fans...)

I wouldn't actually be surpised if Reepicheep wins the MTV movie award for best animated character placing him with Gollum and Yoda. ( Though sans the swearing of Gollum. As much as I liked Serkis's performance as Gollum the swearing wasn't funny.)


Hmmm Star Wars similarties? That has nothing to do with Qui-Gon Jinn voicing Aslan does it ? ;) I didn't notice those as much.
 
A little bit with Anakin going to the dark side, and Peter's struggle in PC ... I could see a similarity there.

But they say all great stories are just re-tellings of the One Great Story, so we shouldn't be surprised!
 
inkspot said:
A little bit with Anakin going to the dark side, and Peter's struggle in PC ... I could see a similarity there.

But they say all great stories are just re-tellings of the One Great Story, so we shouldn't be surprised!
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Now that you mention it I can see that too.
Actually I even noticed a Lion King similarity. Durring the Night Raid when the Satyr was clutching the roof Miraz pryed his figers off and tossed him down to the ground like Scar did with Mufassa. Kind of fighting as Miaraz is similar to Claudius from Hamlet and Hamlet inspired Lion King.

And they do say that don't they? Wasn't that what CS Lewis thought? Or Tolkien? :D
 
I talked to my friend about the tree part and in his words, "Dude, those trees in Narnia would put the smackdown on the trees in Lord of the Rings."
 
Daishi said:
I talked to my friend about the tree part and in his words, "Dude, those trees in Narnia would put the smackdown on the trees in Lord of the Rings."
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LOL! That's right! :)

Sven-El, you are right: Hamlet had a prince whose father had been murdered, and so did Lion King. The important thing in Lion King was that Simba remembered who he was and returned to lead his kingdom ... just like Caspian did! Hamlet kinda messed up though.
 
I friend of mine who is a huge Tolkein fan remarked after the movie:

"You know, after reading all of the LotR books and seeing this movie I think that the most important conclusion that Tolkein and Lewis came to during their time together was DON'T MESS WITH THE TREES!!!!"

Also of note: This movie can also be considered the "Empire Strikes Back" of it's series.

SW: A New Hope could be considered similar to LWW in their overall theme. Both centered around a young character (or characters) who come from ordinary backgrounds but are thrust into extraordinary circumstances and learn they are destined to save the world from evil. They ally themselves with rebel groups that oppose the overbearing evil empire and work together to eventually overthrow the evil. Along the way, their leader (Obi-Wan / Alsan) will sacrifice himself to save the hero/heroes. The forces gather together and fight an epic battle against the empire and win despite overwhelming odds.

ESB is similar to PC in that it also is more of a dark, battle-centered movie. It also joins the two stories that surround it. They focus on the revenge motif of the main characther (Luke or Caspian) against a more singular villain (Vader or Miraz).
 
I saw a bunch of Legolas similarities with Susan...specifically when she fought with her bow and arrows like Legolas, used the bow like a quarterstaff, etc...And when the trees came I was like "ENTS!!" But these trees weren't exactly like them...the roots thing was pretty cool. :rollseyes:
 
Orious_the_Griffin said:
I saw a bunch of Legolas similarities with Susan...specifically when she fought with her bow and arrows like Legolas, used the bow like a quarterstaff, etc...And when the trees came I was like "ENTS!!" But these trees weren't exactly like them...the roots thing was pretty cool. :rollseyes:
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Yah, I noticed that too. When I saw Susan using her bow like she was Legolas I though she was related to him.
 
Trumpkin_08 said:
Yah, I noticed that too. When I saw Susan using her bow like she was Legolas I though she was related to him.
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Sort of like Legolas step-little sister? LOL

The trees in CON do not walk like the Ents in 2T. The trees here sort of swim in the soil, just like you would move if you are swimming in water.

Quote: "...when trees move they don't walk on the surface of the earth; they wade in it as we do in water." -PC.
 
Swimming through the soil is sort of how Lewis described the Tree-people walking though! He said that they were mostly above ground, but their "legs" went into the soil so it appeared that they had no "feet."

The Legolas and Susan similarity was the biggest one that stood out to me. I remember thinking: "Susan has gone all Legolas on us!" What I meant by Star Wars was some of the dialogue had moments that felt strangely inspirational and similar to Star Wars. I'll need to watch the film again to point them out accurately, but I believe one spot was *smacks self on head for realizing* the part where Cornelius tells Caspian WHO killed his FATHER!

Sorry, I got a little excited there, but there were other places. Plus, I see all of those other Star Wars similarities that you others have pointed out, but I don't believe the movie is similar to "Empire" unless it is regarding popularity with the fans.
 
Another similarity between Prince Caspian and The Two Towers (unless you already mentioned it and I just read over it) is that in Prince Caspian, the novel, it goes through the Pevensies' adventures and then to a flashback of Prince Caspian's adventures. In the movie, these events were made to occur simultaneously and the scenes switched between those two parts. In a like manner, in The Two Towers book, it starts off with all of the adventures of Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli, and then after the battle of Helm's Deep, it goes to the Hobbit's adventures. And in the movie, those parts were made to be occurring simultaneously switching between scenes.

Not that I'm against this. It makes the Two Towers movie better and it didn't really change anything about the Narnia movie.
 
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