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Ok first off I have not read the books so please excuse me if this is a totally dumb question.

I saw the movie and my friends and I came to the consensus that there was some heavy sexual tension between Lucy and Tumnus. My question is in the books does anything romantic ever play out between them because it seems kind of strange that the movie would allude to them having a romantic relationship in the future on more than one occasion if nothing ever happens in the books...
 
It's not a stupid question, but no, there was never any sort of romantic feelings expressed between the characters in the book except for a fond friendship. Some fan fiction shippers might disagree with me on that note, but love is one of the emotions that is not limited to 'romantic' feelings, but rather is expressed through a deep friendship, a brotherly love, as I think was expressed between Tumnus and Lucy in the movie.
 
Hello,

If you only saw the movie, this is certainly a realistic question, but as Namaste says, its just not what happens or is intended.

If you are looking for some hint of a romantic relationship, you should read the Silver Chair, Lewis 4th book in the CoN series. :)
 
It also seems to appear in the books that Tumnus is an older faun, much older than he is in the movie. Andrew Adamson felt that should be changed however, in light of recent events in society. He realized that unfortunately it would be hard to convey the friendship of the two if Tumnus was older since it would probably send the wrong message. I'm curious as to where you saw the romantic allusions in the movie. I've never noticed anything like that. (But that could very well be because I already know the story)
 
The allusions aren't in the film.

*ahem*

Pan in Greek Mythology (or is that his Roman name?) is a faun, a horned, goat legged half human, and he's got those pan pipes (like Tumnus) and he's always trying to seduce wood nymphs, who are turned to trees and other things out of pity by the gods because they find him so horrid.

LOL not so in fandom obviously...but I digress...

Fauns have this whole sexual connotation, and that along with the idea of kidnapping Lucy, and all I could see where people might come to think it's alluded too in the movie but it's not. Let me go check. *thinks* Goody, an excuse to go see the movie again...Mwahahahahaha

But yeah, fauns have different allusions outside of the books. They were just really good friends (which I totally love). Not unlike Lewis and his niece? I don't know but possibly.
 
Hmmm

Hold on a minute, on some levels im gonna agree with lilybud.
I thought that there was something going on in the scenes with lucy and tumnus, they were just to close, which i know sounds stupid but thats my idea!
Nothing ever happens with lucy and tumnus (that we know about, te he!) and that is the way it should be!
 
*laughs* Not a stupid question at all! I think it depends a good deal on how you read the books--and you see, a lot of us (I certainly can't speak for all), read them as rather young children, more innocent, etc, etc. I did note romantic hintings in the movies, but my subconscious went "AH CHILDHOOD MEMORIES!!!" and shut down that line of thought rather abruptly.

Then again, Mr. Tumnus in the book, while having about the same importance emotionally to Lucy and to plot, gets a good deal fewer lines and quite a bit less screen time. There is no dungeon scene, and the reuniting is done in that brilliant way Lewis has that puts a whole poignant scene into five words and then is done. So, a good deal less *time* for that sort of thing.

I was awfully happy with the additions, Tumnus is my favorite character, and he gets very little as far as that goes.

Well, in answer to your question, does anything ever play out, no, not really. Those intervening years in LWW are glossed over just as in the movie, the 3rd book has a slight reference to Tumnus and all the others but little more than a jumble, and then he disappears until the very last of the 7th book. So, just not around to resolve that one way or the other.

BUT, really, I do agree with a few people above, I think Lewis intended it more as a platonic love, a very, very firm friendship--him being her first friend in Narnia. Although one may read the books and watch the movies however one likes...and I tend to watch the movies a touch differently than I read the books. ;)
 
Uhm, no. LOL. Seriously, giving someone your hanky or inviting someone to tea? I mean...if you go in expecting to see it...which is what I imply with what I've said before then yes.

I mean...did you know about fauns before you watched the film? Their connotations? If so...then it's only natural you'd think you'd see it.

Lucy's like six (the character dunno about the actress) I doubt very much she was flirting...so, :eek: yeah, sorry I totally don't see it. Of course now when I go see the movie again...I'm going to be expecting it...LOL

It was because he was trying to lull her to sleep? LOL That was because he was going to turn her over to the White Witch.
 
Wolfsbane, I just wanted to clarify that I know of the history of most fauns. It sounded like Lilybud was just speaking of the movie. If it was meant in reference to Pan's type of faun than I can see where more of the confusion came in. I just didn't see where that was displayed in the movie. I suppose I will have to watch for it the next time I see it.
 
This is why films are evil...LOL read more books...

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Wolfsbane, I just wanted to clarify that I know of the history of most fauns. It sounded like Lilybud was just speaking of the movie. If it was meant in reference to Pan's type of faun than I can see where more of the confusion came in. I just didn't see where that was displayed in the movie. I suppose I will have to watch for it the next time I see it.
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That's my point exactly actually... :D Sorry, I'm not always clear...ironically enough I understand me just fine...LOL. But yeah, I don't see it in the film at all...*excuse to see it multiple times* because I needed one right? LOL

Next time you watch it though, and me too obviously, if we look for it, we're bound to find it...but I don't think it was there...if you and I both knowing about fauns when we saw the movie didn't pick up on it...I dunno I don't think it's there *shrugs* It's a film thing...you have a boy, you have a girl so you want to ship them together...*sighs* Just like Harry and Hermione in HP...it's not in the books...LOL
 
At least watching for it, is a reason to see the movie again. (not that I need one.) but I agree on one thing, I understand myself perfectly too. It's too bad people can't read my mind when I'm posting. I'm sure it would clear up quite a bit.
 
hahaha, I can't help but laugh at the question, sorry, I really can't help it,:D
it never crossed my mind that there was something between the faun and Lucy :D
 
I think many of y'all have been too steeped in Freudian thinking, wherein everything eventually traces back to sex. Namaste put it well when she pointed out that there are many other types of love than sex. In fact, the ancient Greeks defined four types of love - eros, agape, phileo, and storge - each with a different meaning. Many people's modern definition of "love", i.e. raw sex, the Greeks called pornea, and didn't even make their list. Lewis, who was a classisict, knew full well of this (in fact, he wrote a book called The Four Loves) and would never have considered introducing a sexual component into the Lucy/Tumnus relationship.

Charn Tim, I'm intrigued at your reference to Silver Chair as a place to find reference to a romantic relationship? Were you referring to the Emerald Witch's "seduction" of Rilian, in the sense that she allured him to follow her? I strongly doubt that there would have been any actual sex there - she doesn't seem like the type who would put up with it from a pawn like Rilian, and it was clear that her sorcery meant she didn't need it. The only place in the whole series that I can recall there was even a hint of romance was Caspian and Ramandu's daughter in Dawn Treader. Oh, and of course, Cor and Aravis eventually married, but there's no hint of a romance in the books proper.
 
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Charn Tim, I'm intrigued at your reference to Silver Chair as a place to find reference to a romantic relationship? Were you referring to the Emerald Witch's "seduction" of Rilian, in the sense that she allured him to follow her? I strongly doubt that there would have been any actual sex there - she doesn't seem like the type who would put up with it from a pawn like Rilian, and it was clear that her sorcery meant she didn't need it. The only place in the whole series that I can recall there was even a hint of romance was Caspian and Ramandu's daughter in Dawn Treader. Oh, and of course, Cor and Aravis eventually married, but there's no hint of a romance in the books proper.
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Oh, what I meant was the relationship between Jill and Eustace; while there is no explicit statement by Lewis that there is a real romantic relationship developing, it seems that he subtly hints at it, by describing Jill and Eustace to be "shy" around each other and "embarrassed" when in the other's presence from time to time. I attribute these feelings to a childish "crush" sort of thing they might have had for one another. But I understand I may be on somewhat shaky ground here, as certainly may not have been what Lewis was intending by writing these things. If you are interested, I could dig up some page numbers and quotes. :)
 
I'm sorry to say this too, but the relationship between Lucy and the faun (Mr. Tumnus) is problematic, and that Adamson saw it too. In a book written in the 1950's and read by Christians, it looks more innocent than a 2005 movie for everyone. Adamson did the kidnapping sence as will as he could. In the book Mr. Tumnus was young and didn't seem to be immortal as the movie showed. In the movie he is young but personally remembers events over 100 years ago. Weird. In the book the stories he tells are just tales. Yes, the movie has sexual tension that Adamson minimized. Lewis avoids sexual relations. Even Polly and the professor never marry, they stay a bachelor and an old maid. And all the children die before ever marrying in LB. The two horses in HHB never marry. The older Pevensies in HHB are not married (Susan backs out of her relationship). And as said only Caspian, Shasta, and Aravis get married.
 
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Off to see the film again...it's all in the name of research

onlymystory, when we humans develop mental telepathy I think all the world's problems will be solved...LOL I think we agree though? OMG I'm confused...LOL I didn't see it. I just came back from seeing the movie again *jumps* and I was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo looking for it...but no.

PrinceOfTheWest, I'm going to look up C.S. Lewis' book The four loves...sounds interesting. That said...yeah, I think because of the media today people think anything associated with love is automatically sexual. It isn't. Even in the book, it's a story about family, that comes through a lot, that's familial love, and the children's adoration of Aslan, that's worshipful love, and it's all over the books (subtly but it's there). It's not in the book. You're totally right in saying there's no romance in the books...unless you mean in the original sense (stories of chivalry) :D .

And TimmyofOz, (I love the Oz books too) I have to totally disagree, there's nothing wrong with that relationship at all. The book was published in 1950 (I think) back then television wasn't as prevalent as today and everything wasn't about sex in the media. It was a different time, their views were different, I've never thought, and neither did most of the people reading the book here, see anything "problematic" with that relationship. If anything I thought it might be like Mr. Lewis's and the girl he dedicated the book too. I've always loved that dedication...I think we're all of us so seeped in modern television/radio/film/print (you can't escape it) it's not hard to see 'romance' or something less 'illicit' in something like that.

Mr. Lewis wouldn't have thought anyone would have ridiculous thoughts like that, why? Because one's a faun the other a human. If Lucy had had tea with a badger I doubt we'd be having this discussion. But since he's part human, and as I said before, it's a boy and a girl the automatic assumption is romance. Like Harry and Hermione LOL and I always point out, that's a common filmic formula, but books are a different creature altogether.

I really didn't see it, and I was looking this time, I swear. *sighs* I guess that means I'm going to have to go see it again. *Whooooooooppeeeee* :D
 
I was wondering if I was the only one to notice. I mean, not on her part, of course but it just looked like Tumnus was going to molest her at any time. I'm not trying to be funny but it just seemed that way to both my husband and I.
 
Ok, I think I know where it's coming from.

First off, let me say I read all the books before I was 7 and many times since, but I've only seen the movie once.

I don't think the movie meant to convey that message and the books definitely didn't, but I think the reason you're getting it is because the acting is so good. They're both acting parts that call for them to be completely enchanted with one-another. Both of them have just made this amazing discovery. In most movies, an amazing discovery is that the two main characters actually are in love after all. Our brains have just been wired to interpret the sparkling eyes and the smiles, not to mention the scenery, as love (this sort of thing really does happen in human psycology, apparently).
 
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