Saying goodbye

MrBob

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I wonder what Eustace and Jill said totheir parents before leaving to get the rings with Lucy, Diggory, and Polly.

They couldn't tell them that they would never see them again or they would never have been able leave. They couldn't tell the truth as their parents wouldn't believe a word of it. But it wouldn't be right to leave without saying goodbye to their parents. After all, they would never see each other again.

Of course, I haven't completely finished the book. Getting there and should be done by Friday.

MrBob
 
Jesus, in His earthly ministry, walked up to several men with the sudden command, "Follow Me" (although it is highly unlikely, in a small nation, that He was a never-before-seen total stranger to any of them), and those men dropped everything and followed Him at once.

The situation Eustace and Jill were in, although Jesus had not so directly called to them in _either_ His human or lion form, still was like that "Follow Me." I think we readers are meant to understand that Eustace and Jill were conscious of a divine urgency in their mission which could not be refused.
 
I also don't think they considered their mission to be one-way, at that time. Aslan did say to Peter and Susan that next time they came to His country, with would be to stay.
 
I wonder what Eustace and Jill said totheir parents before leaving to get the rings with Lucy, Diggory, and Polly.

They couldn't tell them that they would never see them again or they would never have been able leave. They couldn't tell the truth as their parents wouldn't believe a word of it. But it wouldn't be right to leave without saying goodbye to their parents. After all, they would never see each other again.

Of course, I haven't completely finished the book. Getting there and should be done by Friday.

MrBob

At the time, neither Eustace nor Jill (nor any of the others) had the least idea that they would never be coming back.
 
While I appreciate the spirituality of the conversation, I was talking the reality. In The Silver Chair, Aslan tells Jill and Eustace that the next time they see him, they will be there to stay. And they knew it themselves after what Caspian told them.

They were on the train to get the rings to go into Narnia. So my question was how did they convince their parents to go without being too sad knowing that was to be their last time seeing them (If their parents knew what they were up to, they would not have let them go)? Their mission, after all, was to go into Narnia, Aslan's realm.

Again, my question revolves around getting parents' permission to leave forever.

MrBob
 
MrBob is right: if they succeeded in getting into Narnia, they knew they would never be leaving, because Aslan had told them so. It does make you wonder what they told their folks; Lewis did not tie that up for us at all. I wonder how old they were at the time?
 
Parents were never a big factor in the books. The only exception being Diggory's mother, who was sick and was the reason for his temptation.

In terms of dialogue, Diggory's mother has two lines (MN) while Mrs. Pevensie has one(VotDT). Parents only appear in three books: MN, VotDT, and TLB, and only for a small bit then when Lucy sees them from within the gates.

MrBob
 
Aslan didn't actually say the next time they came to Narnia they would not return to our world. He said "the next time you meet me here you will have come to stay." When those words were spoken they were in Aslans country beyond the eastern end of the world. Eustace and Jill could have come back to Narnia dozens of times without meeting Aslan in His Country, so they could not have known the next trip to Narnia would be the last.
 
While I appreciate the spirituality of the conversation, I was talking the reality. In The Silver Chair, Aslan tells Jill and Eustace that the next time they see him, they will be there to stay. And they knew it themselves after what Caspian told them.

They were on the train to get the rings to go into Narnia. So my question was how did they convince their parents to go without being too sad knowing that was to be their last time seeing them (If their parents knew what they were up to, they would not have let them go)? Their mission, after all, was to go into Narnia, Aslan's realm.

Again, my question revolves around getting parents' permission to leave forever.

MrBob
That's a good question, but you have to allow that perhaps they didn't understand the import of Aslan's statement, or factor it into their decisions about what to do in response to the appearance of Tirian at their dinner. They may not have even remembered it. Keep in mind that from the time Tirian appeared, all their steps were based on guesswork, and certainly predicate on Aslan permitting them to proceed. It seemed that Tirian was Narnian. They guessed that it was some cry for help, and judged that the cause was critical enough for them to take action. They made their decision within the framework of what was allowed, by selecting Jill and Eustace as the candidates to use the Rings because the others were forbidden to return. The rest they left in Aslan's hands - as, indeed, the whole affair was from the start.

Hermit's point is well taken that Aslan's comment could be interpreted to mean Aslan's Country itself, rather than the entire Narnian world. I think the Seven were willing to submit to whatever restrictions Aslan put on the venture, including having it fail, if that was His will.

Another factor to consider is that the parents who would have been asked would have been Harold and Alberta (about whom we know little, and none of it flattering), and Pole's parents (about whom we know nothing, except that they were willing to send their daughter to Experiment House). My guess would be that neither was very eager to explain anything about Narnia to their parents, and if an opportunity to return to Narnia meant going for good, they would have shrugged and left. Since all of them knew that Aslan was completely in charge of all traffic between the worlds, and that filial duty was one of Aslan's commands, they would probably reason that Aslan could sort out the balance of duties between the filial and the immediate summons to Narnia. If Aslan thought that their coming to Narnia would violate their duties as children, then He could simply refuse to facilitate their coming.
 
As far as I can tell they only told their parents that they were going to School, and their parents probably had no problem with them going, it is obvious that Eustace and Jill did not think that they were staying because they had that horrible moment of realization in the book where they recognized that they might die in Narnia.
 
"Eustace and Jill could have come back to Narnia dozens of times without meeting Aslan in His Country, so they could not have known the next trip to Narnia would be the last."

Yes Hermit, but they knew they would see Aslan again if they went back to Narnia. And the last time they went, they both started and ended there. For Eustace, he ended his previous journey there. They had no reason not to believe that the next time they went to Narnia, Aslan's prediction would not come true.

"Another factor to consider is that the parents who would have been asked would have been Harold and Alberta (about whom we know little, and none of it flattering), and Pole's parents (about whom we know nothing, except that they were willing to send their daughter to Experiment House). My guess would be that neither was very eager to explain anything about Narnia to their parents, and if an opportunity to return to Narnia meant going for good, they would have shrugged and left."

Princeofteh West, what we do know about Experiment House and those who went there is that they were not very religious. And I know that they could not have talked about Narnia to their parents. No one did. You can only talk about Narnia with a friend of Narnia, someone who had been there and understood it, accepting Aslan.

But again, this goes back to my original question. They loved their parents. And here they are, about to embark on an adventure that they know may be the last time they see their parents. My question is how they said their goodbyes to them without getting too overly emotional--or did they? How do you say what could possibly be a final goodbye to someone you love without letting them know it could be the final goodbye?

"it is obvious that Eustace and Jill did not think that they were staying because they had that horrible moment of realization in the book where they recognized that they might die in Narnia."

Lady Jean, Jill and Eustace pondered the question of death because of the circumstances of being immensely outnumbered. They simply wondered what would happen to them if they died in Narnia. Would they awaken back on the train? would their bodies be on the train? would they simply seem to have disappeared in England? I think they knew they were going to stay.

MrBob
 
"Eustace and Jill could have come back to Narnia dozens of times without meeting Aslan in His Country, so they could not have known the next trip to Narnia would be the last."

Yes Hermit, but they knew they would see Aslan again if they went back to Narnia. And the last time they went, they both started and ended there. For Eustace, he ended his previous journey there. They had no reason not to believe that the next time they went to Narnia, Aslan's prediction would not come true.

MrBob

They had no reason to believe it would come true either. Given the context of Aslan's prediction it would most naturally apply to meeting him again in His Country, which is not strictly a part of the Narnian world, rather than Narnia itself. It was Narnia they were trying to get to. The fact that their previous adventure began and ended in Aslans Country and Eustace's first trip ended close to it (though not actually there) did not mean it would that time

If Eustace and Jill did not realise the distinction the Proffessor surely would have pointed it out. I think we can take it as read the Seven Friends of Narnia would have discussed their adventures in minute detail.

Of course they must have known there was a possibility thay might not return. But that was also true of their previous adventures, and indeed of their lives in this world. I expect they simply trusted in Aslan and were content to leave their fate in His hands.
 
I think they would have said good bye the same way they would everytime they went to school, because even if they did not have a clue that they were going to Narnia again, they still knew that they going to travel on a train which is not the safest way to travel even now, and they were leaving their parents for a long time so they knew that anything could happen. Think about it, even if they had not been going to Narnia They would have never seen their parents again on this side of Death, because they would have still died in the train Crash.
 
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