Similarities Between Narnia and LotR

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Cereniel

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I don't mean to open a can of worms, but isn't it funny to see the similarities/differences between Narnia and LotR? I know that Tolkien and Lewis were friends (and that they had dissagreements about their respective stories) and all that. Having read both series more than once, this is somtimes very obvious to me. Moreso on film. Like, in LotR:TTT, at the end, Gandalf and the others come in at dawn (I think, can't really remember....) when those in Helm's Deep have almost lost hope. This same thing happens in TLTWTW, when Aslan, Lucy, and Susan come bringing reinforcements just when Peter, Edmund, and the good Narnians are being overwhelmed.
::laughs at herself:: I'm not really making sense am I? Sorry, I enjoy thinking about things like this. I'm not really trying to start a debate, just making observations. Oh, never mind, I've gone and confused myself again...... :confused:

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Many of the things in LotR and CoN are simular because Lewis would many times take ideas from Tolken and use them in his book. For example, the magic rings in MN was a tribute to LotR. The name Bree in HHB was actually the name of the town where Aragorn meets Frodo.

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Ha, it's funny, I was going to start a thread about this, too! :D

Ya, I also noticed in the movie when the 3 Pevensie kids and the beavers are hiding from what they think is the White Witch underneath the ground and bushes ( but it's really Father Christmas). The same sort of thing happens in LOTR, FOTR, when the 4 hobbits are hiding under a root of a tree from the Nazgul.

Also, in the movie LWW, right as the Witch's army is going up to attack Peter and Edmund's, a creature on the Witch's side stands on that tall rock and shouts- an orc did the same thing in LOTR, TTT, at the battle of Helm's Deep!
 
I did notice the rings thing, and I think I got the Bree thing too. Or I noticed it was the same name but nothing other than that.
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Ha, it's funny, I was going to start a thread about this, too! :D

Ya, I also noticed in the movie when the 3 Pevensie kids and the beavers are hiding from what they think is the White Witch underneath the ground and bushes ( but it's really Father Christmas). The same sort of thing happens in LOTR, FOTR, when the 4 hobbits are hiding under a root of a tree from the Nazgul.

Also, in the movie LWW, right as the Witch's army is going up to attack Peter and Edmund's, a creature on the Witch's side stands on that tall rock and shouts- an orc did the same thing in LOTR, TTT, at the battle of Helm's Deep!
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Yay! It's not just me! My Daddy says he saw I Wookie (sp?) but I think it was just a Satyr w/out armour.....;)
 
Cereniel said:
I don't mean to open a can of worms, but isn't it funny to see the similarities/differences between Narnia and LotR? I know that Tolkien and Lewis were friends (and that they had dissagreements about their respective stories) and all that. Having read both series more than once, this is somtimes very obvious to me. Moreso on film. Like, in LotR:TTT, at the end, Gandalf and the others come in at dawn (I think, can't really remember....) when those in Helm's Deep have almost lost hope. This same thing happens in TLTWTW, when Aslan, Lucy, and Susan come bringing reinforcements just when Peter, Edmund, and the good Narnians are being overwhelmed.
::laughs at herself:: I'm not really making sense am I? Sorry, I enjoy thinking about things like this. I'm not really trying to start a debate, just making observations. Oh, never mind, I've gone and confused myself again...... :confused:

On a seperate note, how do I get a signature and (I guess you call them...) banner at the end of my posts?
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The reason I originally posted this in Christianity is because I had been going to make a point and forgot. The point was that help (that we see; it's always there we just don't notice it sometimes;) always comes when all hope is lost (or so we think....).
 
The more you study fantasy and myth, the more you will realize that there are certain archetypes that appear as common themes in all stories. They don't make the stories less original, for they are building blocks, the way stone, wood and brick become buildings. As we all know, all buildings are not alike.

What are archetypes? Hopeless odds, Evil rises, Unlikely hero, Reluctant allies, Defensive war, Much in little, Transformation, Redemption, Sacrifice, The trickster, Not as things seem, Last minute saves, Victory, Spectacular defeat of main villain, Accounting the Cost, Unexpected strengths, Apotheosis of the hero.

It is not the presence of archetypes that judges a story's originality but how well they are used. They are the points at which the story engages your own past experiences, your own joys and fears, your loves and hates.

In that sense I have one-up on you. Most of you have the enthusiasm and passions of youth. On the other hand I have more life experiences to draw upon, and Chronicles affects me in subtle ways that only an older man or woman usually feels. To a large number of you, the Pevensies are your peers, heartthrobs, and heroes. But as I watched Edmund get stabbed in the arm it dredged up a whole mass of fatherly feelings--outrage, grief, fear. Someone tried to stab a child to death, a guilt-ridden boy forced by a ruthless enemy to grow into a man amid the sweat, blood and rage of battle. At that moment I WAS Aslan, I did not want to just defeat her, I wanted to utterly destroy her. I wanted to look in her eyes and roar first, then to FINISH IT. Someday, in God's good time, you'll come to understand this too.
 
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The more you study fantasy and myth, the more you will realize that there are certain archetypes that appear as common themes in all stories. They don't make the stories less original, for they are building blocks, the way stone, wood and brick become buildings. As we all know, all buildings are not alike.

What are archetypes? Hopeless odds, Evil rises, Unlikely hero, Reluctant allies, Defensive war, Much in little, Transformation, Redemption, Sacrifice, The trickster, Not as things seem, Last minute saves, Victory, Spectacular defeat of main villain, Accounting the Cost, Unexpected strengths, Apotheosis of the hero.

It is not the presence of archetypes that judges a story's originality but how well they are used. They are the points at which the story engages your own past experiences, your own joys and fears, your loves and hates.

In that sense I have one-up on you. Most of you have the enthusiasm and passions of youth. On the other hand I have more life experiences to draw upon, and Chronicles affects me in subtle ways that only an older man or woman usually feels. To a large number of you, the Pevensies are your peers, heartthrobs, and heroes. But as I watched Edmund get stabbed in the arm it dredged up a whole mass of fatherly feelings--outrage, grief, fear. Someone tried to stab a child to death, a guilt-ridden boy forced by a ruthless enemy to grow into a man amid the sweat, blood and rage of battle. At that moment I WAS Aslan, I did not want to just defeat her, I wanted to utterly destroy her. I wanted to look in her eyes and roar first, then to FINISH IT. Someday, in God's good time, you'll come to understand this too.
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I think I do understand what you're saying Chakal. It makes me cry. Not because I'm sad, well not really, but ashamed. I don't think of myself as a bad person. In fact, as people go I'm pretty nice! I may not have done something as bad as what Edmund did, at least, in my opinion. But still I don't deserve the love, mercy, and protection The Father, my Father, shows me every day. It makes me want to do my best at everything, including being a person.
"All have sinned, and fallen short of the Glory of God." That doesn't mean we should stop trying to be good.
 
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Cereniel said:
Yay! It's not just me! My Daddy says he saw I Wookie (sp?) but I think it was just a Satyr w/out armour.....;)
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I didn't see any wookiees in LWW,it was probably a Satry w/o armor :D .

I've noticed there are dwarves in both LOTR and CON, they have similarities and differences. I've also noticed the trees have a part in both, (Ents,Dryads), oh and I also noticed that Calormenes are similar to Haradrim. Both live way south...and are dark skinned,and were enemies of the good guys-Narnia and Archenland,Free Peoples such as Gondor,Etc.- for @ least a little while, Aragorn pardoned the Haradrim who'd aided Sauron in ROTK, and i think it said that the Haradrim later became friends w/ Gondor? BOTH have tried to invade and crush the good guys, the Calormenes tried to take Archenland, and the Haradrim often passed through Ithilien. And in the Last Battle the Calormenes actually invaded Narnia. I noticed that both used the word "Cair"-Cair Paravel-located at the end of a river, and Cair Andros-located in the middle of a river. I also noticed that the good guys faced seemingly insurmountable evil,but the uglies got smashed many times in both CON and LOTR,books and movies :D I think there were giants of some sort that lived on the misty mountains, in the Hobbit, and there are definitely giants in CON.
 
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