sorry if this is kind of stupid, but express your opinions

[reepipuddleglumweather]

i love narnia, and i know it doesnt exist and everyhting, but sometimes i like to think that it is real, and i try to find portals to narnia ( i kno this is beggining to sound crazy) anyway i kno narnia is desrtoryed so i have a few questions concerning the REAL narnia

lewis dindnt real answer these questions so it is just a matter of your opiniions. Once again i beg for ur opinions and replys.

can people who are not dead enter the real narnia ?

why did the pevensies end up in the real narnia, instead of england ( they only had liek three trips to narnia, while in england they spent theyre entire life)?

once again this question is being asked: if calormens go to the real calormen, them and narnians are still ememies, couldnt they still battle each other aslan v. tash (once again opinions)

all the hundreds and hundreds of thousands or people and creatures and rulers that lived before narnias destruction and history (swanwhite,trumpkin, gale, olvin, etc. etc.) are living alongside peter tirian, etc. in the real narnia?

just a clarification, the real narnia is now populated with millions of people right, because of all the peole in the past that lived there, right?

can people from the real america, or any other country or world, say (just an example) ben franklin, go into the real narnia?

can u feel pain, it says that the dogs in the waterfall, had water up there noses and everything, so is it possible that u can feel pain.

what kind of supernatural things can u do, or are things just normal.?

no my most important question that i really really want ur opinion on.

do u just sit in the clouds, and do heavenly things, and watch over people on earth, or do all the people and rulers just live thir life normally as if narnia wasnt destroyed. are there feast and tournaments in cair parevel, do fauns still schedule dances, do dwarfs make armor, do u still get tired and go to sleep or get hungry. do children still go to school or get scolded ? is there still market day in beruna? i am sorry for all the stupid questions but does life just go on, or do they sit around doing heavenly deeds?

i am really sick of bumping my threads cause no one reply, any person replying to my questions will make me happy


here is a just a couple of made up scenarnios, for a day in narnia

dwarfs mine for gold

a centaur travels for days to telmar looking for his father

calormen ambassadors, go to cair paravel to discuss trade routes, with all the lord of narnia

a narnian ship sinks, causing minor chaos on the shore

a dragon wrecks a marshwiggles home

all the narnias old king travel to cair paravel for a giant feast

lucy loses her magic cordial

a faun and satyr get into a dispute about a stolen pan pipes, that end in a few bruises\\

the centaurs organize, a jousting and archery tournament

terbinthians, visit narnia

calormens organize a small army and try to take chippingford

dwarfs make caspian, and tirian, new armor

galma peopels invent the a primitive gun

peter gets lost in the shuddering wood

just a few scenarios, i made up
tell me are they possible to do as in a normal day in the real narnia?
please reply

 

[Señor Puntos]

i love narnia, and i know it doesnt exist and everyhting, but sometimes i like to think that it is real, and i try to find portals to narnia ( i kno this is beggining to sound crazy) anyway i kno narnia is desrtoryed so i have a few questions concerning the REAL narnia

lewis dindnt real answer these questions so it is just a matter of your opiniions. Once again i beg for ur opinions and replys.

can people who are not dead enter the real narnia ?

No, real narnia is Heaven, so you would not be able to enter it unless dead.

why did the pevensies end up in the real narnia, instead of england ( they only had liek three trips to narnia, while in england they spent theyre entire life)?

They were kings and Queens in Narnia, so they went their first, and they were planning to go to Narnia (I think) before they died.

once again this question is being asked: if calormens go to the real calormen, them and narnians are still ememies, couldnt they still battle each other aslan v. tash (once again opinions)

No, most of the Calormenes have gone to Hell, and Tash would never be allowed in Heaven (that's what I'm gonna call it, as that's what it is)

all the hundreds and hundreds of thousands or people and creatures and rulers that lived before narnias destruction and history (swanwhite,trumpkin, gale, olvin, etc. etc.) are living alongside peter tirian, etc. in the real narnia?

Yup.

just a clarification, the real narnia is now populated with millions of people right, because of all the peole in the past that lived there, right?

Yuppity yup. But they could've gone to another country.

can people from the real america, or any other country or world, say (just an example) ben franklin, go into the real narnia?

Yes, Heaven is totally traversible. They're all around the great mountain of Aslan.

can u feel pain, it says that the dogs in the waterfall, had water up there noses and everything, so is it possible that u can feel pain.

Most probably no, as pain is bad and Heaven is not. There's probably thousands of other feelings you have there instead of pain.

what kind of supernatural things can u do, or are things just normal.?

Um, you can run really fast, run up vertical slopes Matrix style, but other than that, I don't know.

no my most important question that i really really want ur opinion on.

do u just sit in the clouds, and do heavenly things, and watch over people on earth, or do all the people and rulers just live thir life normally as if narnia wasnt destroyed. are there feast and tournaments in cair parevel, do fauns still schedule dances, do dwarfs make armor, do u still get tired and go to sleep or get hungry. do children still go to school or get scolded ? is there still market day in beruna? i am sorry for all the stupid questions but does life just go on, or do they sit around doing heavenly deeds?

I doubt they would waste eternity doing such trivial things, I think they would do stuff that mattered, but what, I do not know.

i am really sick of bumping my threads cause no one reply, any person replying to my questions will make me happy


here is a just a couple of made up scenarnios, for a day in narnia

dwarfs mine for gold

a centaur travels for days to telmar looking for his father

calormen ambassadors, go to cair paravel to discuss trade routes, with all the lord of narnia

a narnian ship sinks, causing minor chaos on the shore

a dragon wrecks a marshwiggles home

all the narnias old king travel to cair paravel for a giant feast

lucy loses her magic cordial

a faun and satyr get into a dispute about a stolen pan pipes, that end in a few bruises\\

the centaurs organize, a jousting and archery tournament

terbinthians, visit narnia

calormens organize a small army and try to take chippingford

dwarfs make caspian, and tirian, new armor

galma peopels invent the a primitive gun

peter gets lost in the shuddering wood

just a few scenarios, i made up
tell me are they possible to do as in a normal day in the real narnia?
please reply

I have put in bold all the things I think could happen. I doubt a dragon would be let into Heaven if it was capable of destroying a home. I don't think you've realised New Narnia is Heaven. I hope my answers are good enought.

 

[reepipuddleglumweather]

thanx

for reply, a few arguments though

it said in the last battle that when narnia was destroyed that calormens passed through the stable door, and aslan told emeth that whatever good you do to tash you do to me, so wouldnt that mean that most calormens wopuld go the the real calormen, emethe did, and he didnt believe in aslan

i dont think that sum one from another world could go to narnia right? ben franklin had nothing to do with it


running as fast as a unicorn, what would be the point of travelling?

most important: does life just go on in the the real nanria, just normally like in my scenarios

looking forward to ur replys have to go to math class

 

[Señor Puntos]

for reply, a few arguments though

it said in the last battle that when narnia was destroyed that calormens passed through the stable door, and aslan told emeth that whatever good you do to tash you do to me, so wouldnt that mean that most calormens wopuld go the the real calormen, emethe did, and he didnt believe in aslan

i dont think that sum one from another world could go to narnia right? ben franklin had nothing to do with it


running as fast as a unicorn, what would be the point of travelling?

most important: does life just go on in the the real nanria, just normally like in my scenarios

looking forward to ur replys have to go to math class

It says in the book that they could run that fast, so I believe that's what they can do. Tumnus said that all countries in heaven were connected, so all you have to do is go round places and such n such. There are no seperate worlds in Heaven, just countries. Try reading the end of TLB again. And if any Calormenes did go to Heaven, it'd be because they were good, like Emeth, so they wouldn't want to fight.

Life would not go on normally, they would do Aslan's will which would be important. Maybe they would be like angels, sent to other worlds to give them messages. I know that's not a good answer, but I can't really word it well.

 

[EveningStar]

I would be delighted to take a stab at this....

Ever get stuck in a dead end job or taking a class you absolutely had no interest in? Ever think of what you could do with your time if the things you were really good at were what you got to do for a living?

Imagine a place where the ABSOLUTE ONLY THING that determines what you do is what you were good at doing and enjoyed doing.

The guy flipping burgers in Cow and Bun that always knew he could be a ship captain would be on the bridge, watching the sun sink low into the sea....

It would not be based on your race, your education or your luck.

This indicates that I believe there is a thing each of us is ideally suited for. And I do believe that. Certain temperments and predilections make us best for certain jobs. Find the job and work is vacation.

I would be happier putting in 40 hours a week under those conditions than I would be playing a harp under an apple tree on a cloud somewhere.

Even God understands this. Especially God understands this.

 

[Señor Puntos]

I would be delighted to take a stab at this....

Ever get stuck in a dead end job or taking a class you absolutely had no interest in? Ever think of what you could do with your time if the things you were really good at were what you got to do for a living?

Imagine a place where the ABSOLUTE ONLY THING that determines what you do is what you were good at doing and enjoyed doing.

The guy flipping burgers in Cow and Bun that always knew he could be a ship captain would be on the bridge, watching the sun sink low into the sea....

It would not be based on your race, your education or your luck.

This indicates that I believe there is a thing each of us is ideally suited for. And I do believe that. Certain temperments and predilections make us best for certain jobs. Find the job and work is vacation.

I would be happier putting in 40 hours a week under those conditions than I would be playing a harp under an apple tree on a cloud somewhere.

Even God understands this. Especially God understands this.

That's what I was trying to say. Ahem.

 

[Malacandra]

Some good answers already, but I enjoy this kind of thing too, so let's give it a whirl:

can people who are not dead enter the real narnia ?
No, in the overwhelming majority of cases. You can only go from one Shadow realm to another, either directly or via the Wood Between The Worlds. There isn't normally a route from one to the other. Exceptions are exceedingly rare, thus: Reepicheep crossed the border over the edge of Shadow Narnia into "Aslan's Country" and was later encountered in the Real Narnia. Similarly, according to the Old Testament both Enoch the patriarch and Elijah the prophet were taken up bodily into Heaven. Also, Caspian after dying and being resurrected was allowed to visit "Shadow" England for a few minutes, but you won't find much other traffic from the Real to the Shadow world.

why did the pevensies end up in the real narnia, instead of england ( they only had liek three trips to narnia, while in england they spent theyre entire life)?
Because of their unusually strong connection to Narnia. But they would have any number of opportunities to visit the Real England, since all the worlds connect and they have unlimited time to visit.

once again this question is being asked: if calormens go to the real calormen, them and narnians are still ememies, couldnt they still battle each other aslan v. tash (once again opinions)
No, and they wouldn't want to. Anyone who could enter the Real World would by definition have no desire to make war on anyone else. At least one side in a war has to be motivated by need, greed, hatred, jealousy or something of the sort; there is none of that in the Real World.

all the hundreds and hundreds of thousands or people and creatures and rulers that lived before narnias destruction and history (swanwhite,trumpkin, gale, olvin, etc. etc.) are living alongside peter tirian, etc. in the real narnia?
Potentially yes. Looking at the scene at the end of the world, we see that Aslan stands before the Door and everyone in the whole world passes by him. They can either bear to look at him (and pass through the Door) or they can't (and disappear into darkness). Neither death nor time is any barrier against coming to this final judgment. If I remember correctly, the traffic includes some of those who died in the Last Battle.

just a clarification, the real narnia is now populated with millions of people right, because of all the peole in the past that lived there, right?
Yes, and there is abundant room for all.

can people from the real america, or any other country or world, say (just an example) ben franklin, go into the real narnia?
Yes. The Pevensie children see their parents afar off in the Real England and it's only a matter of time before they meet in person, in the country of their choice. (It seems as though if you really concentrate on looking into the distance, you can see as far as you like in perfect detail.)

can u feel pain, it says that the dogs in the waterfall, had water up there noses and everything, so is it possible that u can feel pain.
I should say not. There is no reason why there should be anything in the Real lands that can cause injury or death, so there is no need of pain (which is there to warn you that you are harming yourself). It is stated that you can't be afraid.

what kind of supernatural things can u do, or are things just normal.?
Ah, who knows? I should say that you remained basically human, but with unlimited capacity for concentration, learning, patience and so on. That is, everyone who wanted to could compose like Mozart, sculpt like Michaelangelo, paint like Titian, fiddle like Paganini - whatever they wanted to take the time to learn to do (and they would have unlimited time). As well as the running as fast as you like on any surface you like as steep as you like...

no my most important question that i really really want ur opinion on.

do u just sit in the clouds, and do heavenly things, and watch over people on earth, or do all the people and rulers just live thir life normally as if narnia wasnt destroyed. are there feast and tournaments in cair parevel, do fauns still schedule dances, do dwarfs make armor, do u still get tired and go to sleep or get hungry. do children still go to school or get scolded ? is there still market day in beruna? i am sorry for all the stupid questions but does life just go on, or do they sit around doing heavenly deeds?

The short answer, I should say, is that whatever need was met in the Shadowlands by the activities listed above would be met in perfection in the Real lands. No need to watch the people on shadow Earth; they have their own concerns and they are in safer hands than yours. No need for children to be scolded; there is no longer any pressure on them to get educated and go out and earn a living - rather, they would themselves want to grow in perfection at their own pace, and it would be everyone's delight to teach them when they wanted to learn. No need to buy or sell anything at the market, but whatever joy was present in the whole market-day experience would turn out to have been only a pale reflection of something Real. Life just going on? Yes, in the realest possible sense.

i am really sick of bumping my threads cause no one reply, any person replying to my questions will make me happy
True happiness does not come from the actions of others, but from within. The interest that others express in our threads is the measure of how interesting we have made the topic.

here is a just a couple of made up scenarnios, for a day in narnia

dwarfs mine for gold - Yes, for the pure joy of the thing and the pleasure of exercising craftsmanship. Not because anyone needed gold any more, except to enjoy themselves making things out of it. In Out of the Silent Planet, a craftsman on Mars is unable to understand why any goldsmith would not dig the metal out of the ground for himself - that to be any good at working it, he should learn to know and love everything there is to be known and loved about gold, and the mining is part of the experience.

a centaur travels for days to telmar looking for his father - Yes, again for the joy of experiencing the land, and in the certainty that he would find what he was looking for. (He'd be able to see his father before he ever set off on the journey.)

calormen ambassadors, go to cair paravel to discuss trade routes, with all the lord of narnia - No need to discuss trade, since there would be no need to trade anything, but otherwise, any amount of friendly meetings and conversation on an infinite number of subjects. Not that there would be any need for either ambassadors or lords.

a narnian ship sinks, causing minor chaos on the shore - No. The very waves of the Real world would delight to see the ship safe to harbour. Think of Jesus walking on the waters.

a dragon wrecks a marshwiggles home - No. A dragon that wanted to hurt other people would not have been able to enter the Real world.

all the narnias old king travel to cair paravel for a giant feast - Undoubtedly. Whether a feast would be quite what we have come to think of it as is another question, but the joy of mutual companionship, laughter and song - emphatically yes.

lucy loses her magic cordial - She would not need the cordial in the first place. But assuming she ever had it, no-one would ever steal it and Lucy would never forget what she did with it.

a faun and satyr get into a dispute about a stolen pan pipes, that end in a few bruises - Who'd want to steal? Why would anyone bruise? Although I can envisage the fun of "rough play" in which no-one would get hurt nor want to hurt anyone else.

the centaurs organize, a jousting and archery tournament - Yes, again for the pleasure of perfecting a skill. Of course, given unlimited time and application it would just get silly, I mean, when each archer could split the arrow the previous archer had just plugged the target with, it would be time to move on to something else. (But there always would be something else.)

terbinthians, visit narnia - All the time. It's a big new world to explore, and you would delight in knowing intimately every. single. daisy.

calormens organize a small army and try to take chippingford - Who needs it? They're welcome in Chippingford any time they want to drop in, they would have no wish to keep anyone else out, and there is nothing there that they could want to steal.

dwarfs make caspian, and tirian, new armor - Surely. Not that anyone would need armour to protect himself, but that the dwarfs enjoy the smithcraft and the Kings are overjoyed with the presents and the opportunity to accept the compliment.

galma peopels invent the a primitive gun - And, over time, any other technology they felt like, though they would hardly need it. Fans of Terry Pratchett may think of how Leonard of Quirm spends a lot of his spare time inventing fearsome weapons of war which, however, he cannot imagine anyone wanting to use on their fellow-men. In the Real world, that would indeed be the case. A gun that would knock a coin out of a man's hand at a range of five miles would be amusing to make; no-one would ever want to use it to shoot someone (it's highly doubtful that it would cause harm if it did) as doing so could not possibly get you anything you couldn't simply have for the asking.

peter gets lost in the shuddering wood - And another vote for no.

 

[inkspot]

This is fun -- speculating what might happen in the True Narnia is like speculating what heaven could be like, correct? So at the end of TLB, if I am not mistaken, Lewis says such wonderful things started to happen, he can't really describe it ... if even he couldn't imagine it, I wonder what it could have been? Wonderful things like being reunited with lost loved ones? But Lewis had already done that for us with Caspian in Silver Chair -- so more wonderful than this. Wonderful things like fantasy creatures, animals who talk and horses who fly? But again, Lewis had already shown us this in other books*...

I think maybe the point of Lewis' not describing what happens at this point is ... heaven truly is beyond our imagination! We know it will be perfect, but how can one place be perfect for each of us as individuals, with our wildly varying tastes and desires? We know there will be no sorrow, but what about those of us who do not find our lost loved ones there -- how could we not feel sorrow? We know there will be some kind of meaningful work for us to do (the Bible says something about judging angels as one possibility!), but most of us prefer not to work, so how is this place going to be perfect if I have to work?!

It's a big, glorious contradiction! But the main thing we believers in Christ can look forward to in heaven is finally being face-to-face with the One who knows use better and loves us more than anyone ever has or will ... And somehow His presence will make everything all right, just as the presence of Aslan always made things all right for the kids in Narnia. Whoa! What a day that will be.

 

[reepipuddleglumweather]

hi, thanx for all your replys

dont you agree that americans english, or any other people on this earth CANT go to the real nanria, because the have nothing to do with it

how could the real narnia accomodate all those millions of ''people''

why not market day on beruna, doesnt life just go on?

nobody is perfect, tumnus is in the real narnia isnt he, and he had evil ideas, so why not on day in the real nanria that 2 creatures would have a small dispute, and throw a few punches, i mean nobody is perfect

calormens worship something opposite to aslan, therefore they arfe still kind of the enemy, calormen sometimes are evil, and there god demande blood sacrifce, wouldnt they try to capture a narnian city, and nanria would march out to defend?

and so would there be feasts and tournaments, and regular life activities

 

[Malacandra]

dont you agree that americans english, or any other people on this earth CANT go to the real nanria, because the have nothing to do with it

No, the major problem is that no version of Narnia actually exists; but in the Real Narnia described in LB, the Pevensie parents could see it, and getting there would be only a matter of time.

how could the real narnia accomodate all those millions of ''people''

Again from LB, it seems to get bigger and roomier the more you go in.

why not market day on beruna, doesnt life just go on?

Why would it need to? Nothing to buy or sell...

nobody is perfect, tumnus is in the real narnia isnt he, and he had evil ideas, so why not on day in the real nanria that 2 creatures would have a small dispute, and throw a few punches, i mean nobody is perfect

Ah, but there they *are*, that's the point. Take a look at Caspian in the final chapter of SC asking Aslan about Earth, which he'd been curious to see ever since learning (in VDT) that it is "round like a ball". He asks Aslan if his desire to see Earth is wrong; and Aslan replies "You cannot want wrong things any more". Neither Tumnus nor anyone else is in the Real Narnia as a result of their own righteousness; but in entering, they have been cleansed of all wrong desires, and they could not even want to hurt each other.

calormens worship something opposite to aslan, therefore they arfe still kind of the enemy, calormen sometimes are evil, and there god demande blood sacrifce, wouldnt they try to capture a narnian city, and nanria would march out to defend?

Nope. The Calormenes (note spelling of the people; the country is Calormen, and you wouldn't confuse "America" with "American", would you) who don't accept Aslan don't end up in the Real Narnia, which is a shame as there is a Real Calormen right there waiting for them to enjoy it. Those who, like Emeth, see Aslan and realise that he is what they were really seeking all their lives when they thought they were seeking Tash, get to enjoy the Real Calormen - but they would not be able to think of attacking Narnia (see above). "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

and so would there be feasts and tournaments, and regular life activities

Asked and answered.

 

[Lady Larien]

well i will just say this: when you get to Heaven well if you get to Heaven you will find out and just like C.S. Lewis said at the end of The Last Battle ". . . . But for them it was only the beginning of the real story. All thier life in this world and all thier adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read: which goes on for ever: in which every chapter is better than the one before" all of that says everything pretty much. Dragons, unicorns, fauns, etc. do not exsist and most likely never will.

 

[Christine Marie]

"can people who are not dead enter the real narnia ?

hmmm I'm pretty sure Tirian and Emeth didn't get killed when they went to the real Narnia....

 

[Malacandra]

"can people who are not dead enter the real narnia ?

hmmm I'm pretty sure Tirian and Emeth didn't get killed when they went to the real Narnia....

True, of course. So another exception clause runs "If you happen to be still alive when the world ends..."

 

[Queen Swanwhite]

I don't try to find portals..but I do check my wardrobe all the time! lol

I always see a lamp post in the street, and 2 christmases ago, it was snowing! NARNIA!

 

[reepipuddleglumweather]

alright

i pretty much understand theat there can be nothing violent in the real narnia, no fights, nothing bad. but can feel like semi bad thogughts, sumtimes, like example lucy is jealous of polly becase she dances with sum one she likes, i dont know?

so only calormens that like aslan end up in the real calormen, but isnt that not fair because most have them have worshipped tahs their whole life, it isnt fair.

and still dont think americans can (or anybody else) can go to nanria, pevensies parents could only go there because they were related to the pevernsies

god makes war against the devil, why cant aslan make war on tash?
can you have children in the real narnia?

and once agin why not market day (im being stupid i kno) but what they dont eat in the real nanria

 

[EveningStar]

So many questions, so little time!

Romance is beautiful. So is the love between a child and its parents. But face it, folks, children are a reflection of our mortality. They are how we replace ourselves so that when we die there will still be people in the world.

In Heaven there are other pleasurable ways that people experience the closeness that comes when people who truly love one another want to share an intimate bond. It is not sexual, and I don't even know what it is to be frank. Perhaps it is a mixing of the minds and hearts that takes place in a way no hug or words of love could do in this life. Something will fill the gap.

Fear and pain are protectors. They are the children of mortality. Where there is no danger, there is no fear. Where there is no injury there is no pain. Our body and our mind does not have to motivate us to avoid hazards.

In old cars there was a Choke. Most of you who are old enough to drive cars could not start a 1944 Packard. Really. You think all you have to do is hold in the clutch and turn the key, right? WRONG. Starting a 1944 Packard was like starting a lawnmower. With a lawnmower you prime it with three pushes of the little rubber dealie, then pull its cord no more than twice for fear of flooding the engine. You had to know how to operate the choke to prime the engine and get it going, then taper it, THEN drive. Why don't modern cars have a choke? Because they are not NEEDED.

Same reason you don't have separate tuning wheels for each channel you can receive on a VCR anymore. They aren't NEEDED.

When you are no longer in danger of injury or death, you will not be afraid, you will not feel pain. Period. At all. And it makes perfect sense.

 

[Señor Puntos]

i pretty much understand theat there can be nothing violent in the real narnia, no fights, nothing bad. but can feel like semi bad thogughts, sumtimes, like example lucy is jealous of polly becase she dances with sum one she likes, i dont know?

so only calormens that like aslan end up in the real calormen, but isnt that not fair because most have them have worshipped tahs their whole life, it isnt fair.

and still dont think americans can (or anybody else) can go to nanria, pevensies parents could only go there because they were related to the pevernsies

god makes war against the devil, why cant aslan make war on tash?
can you have children in the real narnia?

and once agin why not market day (im being stupid i kno) but what they dont eat in the real nanria

Jealousy is a sin, so no. You can't think bad thoughts. End of. Aslan does make war on Tash, but why involve new Narnia? Aslan is much more powerful than Tash, he doesn't need soldiers. The Calormene thing. If you've been a good person all your life, but worship Tash, but are actually subconciously looking for Aslan, then you'll go to Heaven, according to CS Lewis. But most Calormenes are evil, so they go to Hell. They don't even respect Tash.

And for the love of God, you can go to other countries in heaven, Tumnus says so himself. They're not actually different worlds, just different places you travel to. Understand? OK? OK.

 

[EveningStar]

May I sound like a ridiculous nut without being laughed at?

Konstantin Tsilkovsky, 19th century Russian visionary, said, "The Earth is the cradle of Man, but the baby can't stay in the cradle forever."

I think there are many different universes. I also believe that, like a cradle, the separations between them allow us to develop and grow in safety. When we are ready to crawl about, the sides will come down. Heaven is such a place.

 

[inkspot]

Reep, when you first asked these questions, I answered from the point of view of a believer in Jesus Christ, with the idea the new Narnia was actually heaven. Maybe you are coming at this from a different point of view?

To my mind, Aslan is Jesus, and only those who know Him as Savior and King are allowed into the True Narnia, which is heaven, where everything is perfect and there is no fear, no tears, no anger, despair, hopelessness, eber again, no hunger, no sickness, no fights and no war.

If you think abut a lot of daily activities, they revolve around getting enough to eat and making enough money to afford the things you want. All that will be unnecesary in heaven, so the struggles and strivings won't happen. There will be new challenges for us, new vistas, but old things will have passed away.

This is why I don't think "life as usual" goes on in the new Narnia. But if you do not believe in the biblical concept of heaven, perhaps this is why you cannot quite accept what others have presented here?

 

[Charn_Tim]

May I sound like a ridiculous nut without being laughed at?

LOL-no you may not sound like a ridiculous nut without being laughed at! (j/k of course)...

Anyway, Jimmy, I think you make some pretty good points in your last post that I'd like to elaborate on.

The Calormene thing. If you've been a good person all your life, but worship Tash, but are actually subconciously looking for Aslan, then you'll go to Heaven, according to CS Lewis. But most Calormenes are evil, so they go to Hell. They don't even respect Tash.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I think we might be able to understand what C.S. Lewis was trying to say regarding Emeth in the New Narnia by invoking the concept of reference. I think this may make your statement, "both are subconsciously looking for Aslan..." more precise, and shed some light on this issue that I find very intriguing.

Anyway, I think that if a Calormene does good things in the name of Tash, although he uses the string of symbols "Tash" he is actually referring to Aslan. I think Lewis is suggesting that if the Calormene really knows who Tash is and who Aslan really is, then he would be a follower of Aslan (as Emeth is), but Aslan isn't going to punish him for doing the right things in the wrong name, because in doing those good things he was really referring to Aslan not Tash. I think that's why Aslan tells Emeth, "Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me." Although he uses the word "Tash" Emeth's concept of Tash in his mind and heart actually refers to Aslan.

You also make a great point about most Calormenes not respecting Tash. They simply use him for self-serving reasons, and it seems that they don't want to accept the idea of an all-powerful "supernatural" being altogether. In this case, even when presented with a true concept of who Aslan really is, I think that they would reject him and do their own thing anyway.