Stable Door

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Could someone brief me what it meant again? I understand that Pevensies, Diggory, Polly, etc were dead, but so were Eustance and Jill....

They went throuh the door, and King Trinian, so.... once you go through the door you die? But Aslan didn't call the rest of the loyal Narnians, Calormen, Archenland, etc until later on....

TLB is so full of symbolism.... :eek:
 
Technically, Jill, Eustace, and Tirian did not die. Jill and Eustace were pulled out of the train before they died so that they could help Tirian, all three of them remained alive throughout the experience because Emeth killed the man who was supposed to kill everyone as they entered the stable. Of course, they had the weird experience of ending up in a different state of being, but they never died.

There were several people in the Bible who did not die, but, rather, were pulled out of our world to heaven, Elijah is a good example of this. I do not know the exact symbolism for Jill, Eustace, and Tirian's not-dead state but the book specifically says that at least Tirian was not killed.
 
Jill and Eustace did die. They were taken from the train at the exact moment before they died in England. As soon as they went through the stable doors, they officially died. Notice how they were wearing the royal clothes befitting Lords, Ladies, Kings, and Queens of Narnia. Tirian almost didn't recognize them at first since they were so clean and properly dressed.

This was one of the most confusing parts of the book for me. In the Bible, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who went to heaven without having died. Yet here in TLB, you seem to have an entire world doing so.

Unless the ones who didn't die just went into Aslan'd Land while those who did die continued "Further up and furhter in" until they were allowed into the gates by Reep.

MrBob
 
In TLB, we are witnessing Narnia's Final Judgement, Its account only slightly differs from the biblical accounts of what will happen on earth at the time of our Final Judgement (specifically what Jesus says about it, think sheep and goats).

If Jill and Eustace die by going through the stable door, so does Tirian and Emeth. They were just there longer than Tirian because they had been thrown in the Stable Door earlier in the fight. I do not think that going through the Stable Door automatically sent them back to the Train Crash and then back again to the new Narnia. That would be the only reason that they would have died apart from the Calormenes killing them before they threw them through the door.

Jill and Eustace are the only two of the friends of Narnia that Aslan actually promises that they will be able to stay the next time they are there. I think that they do not die but since they cannot very well go back to our world without calling attention to the weird goings on that surrounded their earthly lives, they were allowed to stay as though they had died.
 
I believe that Aslan states they all had died on the train wreck on earth....

sooo...

I assume he pulled their souls out of their bodies the minute of impact? It would make sense after all...

Then, Eustance and Jill could help Trinian, and afterwards, their reward would be spending eternity with Aslan :D

Nice payoff, I'd say
 
I am not certain that they all were there with Aslan at that moment, I think that the book only positively says that Peter, Lucy, and Ed were together if I remember correctly. I cannot look it up right now because my Lenten Sacrifice involves not reading any pleasure book during these forty days.
 
No one died solely by going in the stable door; if that were so, it would have been impossible for Emeth to kill the man who attacked him inside the door. Tirian passed through the door without dying, like the real-world saints who will be translated into immortality when Jesus returns while they are still alive. Peter and the other Earth-born ones were told they were dead because of their earthly death, not because the stable door was death. Note that the stable gets compared to Jesus' birthplace, not to His tomb.
 
Here is my theory in an expanded version:

Jill and Eustace were taken from the train at the exact moment of the crash, right before they die (they felt the jerking and heard the noise). In Narnia, of course, no time passes on Earth, so they can help Tirian.

In the Stable is Aslan's Land, a place only Lucy and Edmund (barely), Jill and Eustace had previously seen. The three Pevensies are waiting in there along with Polly and Digory. As soon as Jill and Eustace cross the threshold of the stable, they are apart from time both Narnian and Earth. Time resumed on Earth and their bodies died, but they were now in Aslan's Land where everything wsa so real.

The "Further up and further in" lines souned to me like their ascention to Heaven. And that was from Aslan Land, meaining they had to be dead in order to continue.

Lava, I am not sure what exactly you are referring to, but if you are talking about who was on the train, it was Lucy, Digory, and Polly with Jill and Eustace. Peter and Edmund were waiting at the station.

MrBob
 
I was talking about when Aslan said that they were dead, I am not sure whether Eustace and Jill were there when he said that.
 
Yes, Aslan says it when they are all the way inside, at the end of the book. The Earth-born characters have died, but it was not the stable door that killed them, it was the earthly train wreck. Tirian and Emeth are like real-world souls living till the return of Jesus--translated into immortality WITHOUT having actually died.
 
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