TLB Spoilers- If Susan

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I was just wondering- what would have happened if Susan did get on the train with the others?

She would have gone to the Shadowlands.... and then what?
 
But, if she would have gotten on the train then that would have meant that she believed, at least slightly, in Aslan. I mean, that Telmarine guy went to Real Narnia, and he started out fighting against the Narnians. Aslan probably would have talked to her, made her completely realize the error of her ways, and then she would have gone with the others. At least that's what I think.
 
I agree -- if she had chosen to go with her siblings, it would have been an admission that she still believed, and I think she would have gone to New Narnia with them.
 
Spare Oomian, you don't mean a Telmarine; the sympathetic character Emeth in TLB is a Calormene. Telmarines are to Calormenes somewhat as Spanish conquistadores are to ancient Persian warriors.

And the term "Shadowlands" does not refer to death; it refers to THIS world and life. The world around us, Mr. Lewis meant to express, IS no more than a shadow compared to the real-ness of Heaven.
 
Susan would have two courses, the path that Emeth took or the path that the Dwarves took. Emeth accepted an audience with Aslan and listened to him, accepting his message. The dwarves refused to hear anything about Aslan being real and were stuck in a kind of Purgatory. Not even Aslan himself could make them listen to him.

MrBob
 
I always wondered how exactly Emeth got into Narna, if he served Tash... but then also served Aslan... certainly Tash and Aslan aren't one in the same :eek:

Save for Aravis, are they the only ones from Calormen to make it into New Narnia?
 
Aslan and Tash certainly are NOT the same!! But what makes them different is not the fact that one name has two syllables and the other name has one syllable. They differ in their NATURE AND CHARACTER. Emeth, although he was surrounded by people who spoke the phonetic name "Tash," had a heart that wanted to encounter the NATURE AND CHARACTER which really belonged to Aslan.

Imagine that you had never heard of Jesus at all. Then imagine that someone told you a highly accurate account of Jesus' Lordship and everything He did for us....EXCEPT that the person talking to you used the name "Hercules" where he should have said "Jesus." Suppose, then, that you knelt and prayed, "God, I understand now that I am a sinner in need of grace. Please forgive my sins and change me into one of Your children...in the name of Hercules, amen." Do you think that God would refuse to recognize your prayer just because you used the wrong phonetic name? No doubt He would see to it that you got that error corrected; but you would be a Christian from the moment you uttered that prayer, because you prayed in the name of the NATURE AND CHARACTER which are the true nature and character of the actual Jesus.

What Mr. Lewis did with the character of Emeth was a more liberal stretch than what I have just imagined; but surely you get the idea. Note that, as in my illustration, Aslan did not leave Emeth to go on thinking Tash was God; but He recognized that Emeth had already been responding to what John Wesley would have called "prevenient grace."
 
oooo... I think I get it... so somewhere along the line, Emeth's heart was moved, and he wanted to worship God/Aslan but knew him only as Tash....

I love your explanation by the way. I guess I better go read Last Battle again
 
I've had people get mad at me for saying what I said here; but I certainly am NOT saying that we don't all need Jesus as our Savior. If anyone anywhere in the real world is responding to the available knowledge the way Emeth did, I believe that God WILL reach that person with an awareness of Jesus BEFORE the person dies. That is not the same thing as saying that you can reject Jesus all your life and still be saved AFTER you die. It's just that we won't know till we reach Heaven just how many Emeths there were. Note also that the Lewisian Emeth DID NOT die before Aslan came to meet him; he was never killed in the stable.
 
"Save for Aravis, are they the only ones from Calormen to make it into New Narnia?"

Here are the beings that came to the doorway as described in TLB: "And at last, out of the shadows of the trees, racing up the hill for dear life, by thousands and by millions, came all kinds of creatures--Talking Beasts, Dwarfs, Satyrs, Fauns, Giants, Calormenes, men from Archenland, Monopods, and strange unearthly things from the remote islands or the unknown Western lands." it goes on to describe that those who looked into Aslan's face and felt hatred and fear went to their right and disappeared into the shadows. All others could continue "further up and further in."

Copper, I like your description about the difference of names to pray to with one addition. Emeth didn't have an accurate account of Aslan's being captured in Tash. Aslan acepted him anyways because he was keeping with his goodness and faith, which only Aslan could accept and Tash could not accept.

"Note also that the Lewisian Emeth DID NOT die before Aslan came to meet him; he was never killed in the stable."

No Copper, but he did make it to Aslan's Land nevertheless. Because of his spiritual nature, he did make it to Aslan's Land after volunteering to enter the stable, expecting to see Tash.

MrBob
 
Copperfox said:
Aslan and Tash certainly are NOT the same!! But what makes them different is not the fact that one name has two syllables and the other name has one syllable. They differ in their NATURE AND CHARACTER. Emeth, although he was surrounded by people who spoke the phonetic name "Tash," had a heart that wanted to encounter the NATURE AND CHARACTER which really belonged to Aslan.

Imagine that you had never heard of Jesus at all. Then imagine that someone told you a highly accurate account of Jesus' Lordship and everything He did for us....EXCEPT that the person talking to you used the name "Hercules" where he should have said "Jesus." Suppose, then, that you knelt and prayed, "God, I understand now that I am a sinner in need of grace. Please forgive my sins and change me into one of Your children...in the name of Hercules, amen." Do you think that God would refuse to recognize your prayer just because you used the wrong phonetic name? No doubt He would see to it that you got that error corrected; but you would be a Christian from the moment you uttered that prayer, because you prayed in the name of the NATURE AND CHARACTER which are the true nature and character of the actual Jesus.

What Mr. Lewis did with the character of Emeth was a more liberal stretch than what I have just imagined; but surely you get the idea. Note that, as in my illustration, Aslan did not leave Emeth to go on thinking Tash was God; but He recognized that Emeth had already been responding to what John Wesley would have called "prevenient grace."
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Indeed - in fact we who speak English use the wrong phonetic name ourselves!! We should call him Ieyshua or Ieysous, so thank God we don't have to get it phonetically right... imagine if you had a speech impediment...
 
Copperfox said:
I've had people get mad at me for saying what I said here; but I certainly am NOT saying that we don't all need Jesus as our Savior. If anyone anywhere in the real world is responding to the available knowledge the way Emeth did, I believe that God WILL reach that person with an awareness of Jesus BEFORE the person dies. That is not the same thing as saying that you can reject Jesus all your life and still be saved AFTER you die. It's just that we won't know till we reach Heaven just how many Emeths there were. Note also that the Lewisian Emeth DID NOT die before Aslan came to meet him; he was never killed in the stable.
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Wow, CF it sounds like you believe exactly what Catholics believe on this matter.
 
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