VDT vs. POTC ... fears, hopes, similarities?

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OK, I saw in the other thread some people were hoping VDT would be like PoTC and others were saying PoTC's last two parts of the trilogy were a big letdown ... etc. etc.

For me, when I dreamed of VDT, I imagined they would make it like PoTC with a lot of high-seas adventure and piracy and sea monsters, with that whole thrill-ride feel.

I liked PoTC 1 awfully, and I loved the surprise ending of PoTC 2, and then I thought PoTC 3 was a horrible letdown and not a good ending to the trilogy, so I would say ... when I think of VDT ... I like to think of it as similar in style to PoTC 1.

This will require them to make a lot more of the adventures at sea, with more swashbuckling excitement, but I really feel like the new director can do that and stil stay true to the story.

Thoughts? What did you think of the PoTC trilogy, and how do you compare it to what you want to see in VDT?
 
First off, I hope that DT is absolutely NOTHING like Pirates, I don't care which film from the trilogy. That would make ME walk out of the theater if it were.

That said, I doubt there will be much in the film related to PotC since the PIrates films were Disney, and Disney is no longer attached to Narnia. Which in any case is a better deal because whoever came up with the disaster that was DMC and AWE needed their head examined, and Disney shouldn't have endorsed them. (And I don't want to hear about how "awesome" PIrates was. I'm thinking of re-selling my sequels because I'm disgusted by them. Not mention maddened.)

so I guess my only fear is that it will be too much like Pirates, and not enough like narnia or its own world.
 
I see what you're saying with the kind of adventure PotC has... maybe incorporating a bit of that into VDT. I agree, but... I disagree. PotC was basically bad guys vs. bad guys, just that the bad guys we rooted for weren't as bad as the other bad guys like Beckett and co. I loved the third film (IMO :eek:), but VDT just shouldn't have the same feel... and couldn't if it tried. There're too many fluffed-up plotlines to get around. Duffers, magicians, stars, a colorful ship, a talking mouse? PotC would eat VDT alive if those kinds of elements were subjected to the world of Jack Sparrow. It just isn't the same. PotC is grittier; more bad-ass. VDT is more heroic; colorful.

Both are fun, just not in the same sense.
 
The one time I remeber that I compared VODT and POTC was before I watched the last pirates movie and was trying to figuer out how the end of the world would look. So I went to my VODT book and looked at the part where Reepicheep is talking about what he thinks the End of the World will look like. That description Reep gives and what acctually happened in the last pirates movie is about the only similarity I find about the two. The only other simalarity I'd say is that there are sea-serpents in both, oh and they both have ships and are sailing.

As long as it's orginal and stays true to the book, VODT will be good... and if it stays true to the book, it'll be nothing like Pirtates.;)
 
As I said in the other thread, Voyage of the Dawn Treader is a lot more like a pilgrimage. There are adventures that are like tests that must be passed before the main characters can reach the gates of Aslan's Country. That is, in a way, like Pilgrim's Progress. They have to deal with their jealousy, pride, greed, selfishness, fear and fatigue. After they have overcome all these, they are worthy to enter the gates.

For Reepicheep in particular, it is the painful discovery that achieving your highest goal can cost you the highest price. He looks back for a moment at all the friends he will never see again until they die.

Rather than "the biggest haul yet" they are after noble purposes...rescue and deliverance. At the end of their journey is not a golden idol but the Son of God.

To me, if they stick to the book, it won't be a thing like POTC. At all. Period. They both take place on the sea, but then again Wuthering Heights and Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail both took place on land.
 
To me, if they stick to the book, it won't be a thing like POTC. At all. Period. They both take place on the sea, but then again Wuthering Heights and Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail both took place on land.
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No, there are more similarities, I think. For one, the music and the feel of the adventure. The music in PoTC 1, which was the best one and the only one I'd compare VDT to, is an amazing score that really has a heartbeat of adventure. I think it sets a tone, or a feel, of adventure that VDT ought also to have.

Clearly the stories and characters aren't the same, but the amazing ship, the raging seas, the sort of period costuming -- plus in the PoTC trilogy there is a little bit of magic and eventually a sea serpent too. I think if they capture the sort of martial/sort of pirate feel of the the thing, it will work very well.

They can't be the same, of course, because the story and the characters are so totally different. But PoTC 1 was very fun and had that feel of high-seas adventure and swashbuckling that I hope to feel in VDT.
 
You know...people compare Narnia films and books with Harry Potter films and books, despite the only similarities is that it involves magic in some way, magic or fantasy. Maybe fantasy is a better word. Other than that, they have nothing in common. I prefer Narnia films to Harry Potter films any day. I haven't read any of the Harry Potter books though and I don't intend to.

Comparing VOTDT with Pirates of the Carribean just because they both involve ships is just like the Narnia and Harry Potter comparison. I know Narnia will be better and remember that they don't spend the entire time on the ship in VOTDT either. Also, Pirates of the Carribean involves...well pirates and undead people and people that are part sea creature and other things. Pirates of the Carribean is more comical in my opinion because of Johnny Depp's humor. Narnia is meant to be more serious, more adventurous, more magical, more heart-warming than Pirates of the Carribean will ever be.

Just my opinion and I don't mean in anyway to bash anyone that is comparing Narnia to Pirates of the Carribean. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. :)
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No, I get what you're saying. I don't think the stories are the same at all, but I think the genre could work for VDT, a high-seas adventure feel, similar to POTC.
 
I also see what you mean, ink, but PotC just isn't the right movie for VDT to even be similar to. Sure, high seas and all that, but there are many other "high seas" theme-related stories you could go for besides PotC, like Master and Commander (far less gritty than PotC, as well as being more serious), or White Squall (more heartwarming), or Moby Dick (more thrilling), or The Old Man and the Sea (more contemplative). PotC is "high seas" you could say, but only to the point of using the power of the seas to carry out the pirates' (as well as the other bad guys') dirty work, which isn't what VDT is about at all.

I think you're limiting it to only having a similar tint to PotC, when there are just so many other movies that are "high seas" themed. Maybe you're thinking about the music...? :) I loved the music too, but VDT needs more of a pure-based orchestra, not entirely synth-based like PotC 1 and 2. In the third film, Zimmer moved greatly toward a fuller orchestra as compared with the previous, but I still don't think any score like PotC would fit right into VDT. VDT is too... too...

Too Narnia-ish. ;)
 
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Lucy Fan said:
You know...people compare Narnia films and books with Harry Potter films and books, despite the only similarities is that it involves magic in some way, magic or fantasy. Maybe fantasy is a better word. Other than that, they have nothing in common. I prefer Narnia films to Harry Potter films any day. I haven't read any of the Harry Potter books though and I don't intend to.

Comparing VOTDT with Pirates of the Carribean just because they both involve ships is just like the Narnia and Harry Potter comparison. I know Narnia will be better and remember that they don't spend the entire time on the ship in VOTDT either. Also, Pirates of the Carribean involves...well pirates and undead people and people that are part sea creature and other things. Pirates of the Carribean is more comical in my opinion because of Johnny Depp's humor. Narnia is meant to be more serious, more adventurous, more magical, more heart-warming than Pirates of the Carribean will ever be.

Just my opinion and I don't mean in anyway to bash anyone that is comparing Narnia to Pirates of the Carribean. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. :)
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I've just thought of the perfect story to compare VDT to:

The Odyssey. :D

Though the poem may be "rated R" in the combat/gore/sex/nudity sense, the adventures, creatures, and people Odysseus meets with are quite comparable to VDT. I don't doubt Lewis took inspiration from The Odyssey when writing.
 
BarbarianKing said:
It's two different things, unless they want to reinvent Caspian as a rum-gone weirdo.
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After PC film, anything could happen!

I thought PoTC because those are films a lot of the folks here have seen, Of the others Truman mentioned on the previous page, I haven't seen any of them. And you know in PoTC 1, Will really is trying to be a good guy! There is a good guy in that film.
 
I really loved PotC 1, really. Didn't care so much for 2 or 3, but one was fantastic.

But, the fantastic thing about Pirates was (ultimately) Captain Jack, fantastically portrayed by Johnny Depp. And the humour in the movies, and just the naive person of Will Turner. Great, really great.

But voyage is so different, the whole spirit of the movie (hopefully). I hope they add some humour, but it's not based on comedy, definitely not. Pirates wasn't entirely either, but still quite some. What i do think they might add: in Pirates they show a lot of 'freedom', so to speak. Just being free to sail wherever you want to, 'what a ship truly is, what the black pearl truly is... is freedom'. They might add that in Narnia too. But we'll see. I hope the spirit will be completely different, though.
 
lieke said:
What i do think they might add: in Pirates they show a lot of 'freedom', so to speak. Just being free to sail wherever you want to, 'what a ship truly is, what the black pearl truly is... is freedom'. They might add that in Narnia too. But we'll see. I hope the spirit will be completely different, though.
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True, but Capt. Jack and co. take the "freedom" word to the extent of doing whatever the hell they wanna do. They pillage and plunder whatever they can, whenever they can, without any aim on what to do next... except to pillage and plunder some more.

The Dawn Treader has a purpose, a mission. The ship set out to find the lost lords and possibly find the end of the world and beyond to Aslan's Country. There was a driving force to their voyage. With PotC it's just random bad guy business, nothing personal.
 
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True, but Capt. Jack and co. take the "freedom" word to the extent of doing whatever the they wanna do. They pillage and plunder whatever they can, whenever they can, without any aim on what to do next... except to pillage and plunder some more.

The Dawn Treader has a purpose, a mission. The ship set out to find the lost lords and possibly find the end of the world and beyond to Aslan's Country. There was a driving force to their voyage. With PotC it's just random bad guy business, nothing personal.
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No, i didn't mean that kind of 'freedom' (though i understand why it came across like that, let me clarify). I really, only mean the kind of freedom that the ship in itself brings. The whole atmosphere is adventurous and freedomish in PotC, just when you see them sailing the big ocean, it just feels freedomish. I can't really bring it across, you just need to 'feel it' :D

They might put that spirit in Voyage too, i'd like that. But only that, and nothing else of Pirates, 'cause i agree that other than that it has almost nothing to do with each other.
 
lieke said:
No, i didn't mean that kind of 'freedom' (though i understand why it came across like that, let me clarify). I really, only mean the kind of freedom that the ship in itself brings. The whole atmosphere is adventurous and freedomish in PotC, just when you see them sailing the big ocean, it just feels freedomish. I can't really bring it across, you just need to 'feel it' :D

They might put that spirit in Voyage too, i'd like that. But only that, and nothing else of Pirates, 'cause i agree that other than that it has almost nothing to do with each other.
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Ah...

In that case, I agree totally! :cool: I do know what you mean by "freedom" now. ;)
 
I don't see it being similar to POTC since VODT is more serious in nature. As for The World's End part, I didn't picture it to be anything like that in POTC. I envisioned something more along the lines of something from the movie Contact or the Shivering Isles from Oblivion.
 
Ilmarë said:
I don't see it being similar to POTC since VODT is more serious in nature. As for The World's End part, I didn't picture it to be anything like that in POTC. I envisioned something more along the lines of something from the movie Contact or the Shivering Isles from Oblivion.
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Welcome Ilmare, I didn't see you post before! :)
BarbarianKing said:
I think PoTC stole "the world's end" from VODT.
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I wondered about that, but then as Ilmare notes, the World's End in POTC was just silly and the one described in VDT sounds mystical and right ... so if they stole it, they messed it all up. That was another disappointing thing about POTC, that whole Word's End portion of #3 movie. Ignorant.
 
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