Why I think Dawn Treader will be the last Narnia movie made.

PrinceOfTheWest

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I saw Dawn Treader this weekend - twice, to be exact. I enjoyed it as a film, and was encouraged to see that it didn't try to introduce themes that conflicted with the original story (as Prince Caspian did.) However, it is my speculation that it will not be a commercial success, and for that reason will be the last of the Narnia movies. I say this with neither glee nor anguish. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't make further Narnia movies, but based on my reading of several factors, I don't think they will. This doesn't matter to me either way.

I realize that for anyone steeped in the mentality of the Entertainment Industry, that last statement is incomprehensible. To the Entertainment Industry, the Best Thing that can happen to any literary work is for it to be made into a movie. This is the summum bonum, the Most Desired Outcome. But not everybody thinks that way.

The success of the film adaptation of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was nearly assured because the book is a standalone classic. Many, many people have read Lion - or had it read to them - and grew up loving it as a classic children's story. Thus, Walden had a ready audience for the film, and their fidelity to the central themes of the story made it an easy transition. If you loved the book, you were probably going to love the movie. I think this was a big portion of the success of Lion as a film - there was a existing pool of enthusiasts who knew and loved the story and were eager to see the screen adaptation.

But moving beyond Lion introduced a different dynamic. If my experience is any guide, a significant percentage of people who loved Lion didn't know there was a sequel, much less an entire set of books about Narnia. Of those who did know, only some had read Prince Caspian and even fewer had read through the entire series. Those who had read the full Chronicles had done so because they had loved the stories enough to put the effort into reading them. Those who make this effort are the true Narnians, the pool of enthusaists critical to any subsequent Narnia movies.

But the composition and temperament of this pool differs from the broader and shallower pool of Lion fans. For one thing, it is smaller - possibly much smaller. Secondly, it is made up not just of people who'd had LWW read to them during story hour in grade school, but of those who had gone to the trouble of hunting down the later books. This means that on the whole, they would probably have a deep love for the stories and appreciate the complex and subtle themes which Lewis worked into them. Thus, these viewers would tend to be much tougher critics, far more prone to dissect and critique a film adapation - and probably quite vocal about their opinions, both good and bad. If the films after Lion were to succeed, they would have to succeed first with this group.

To me, it seems that this is where the film adaptation of Caspian collapsed. I suspect that most of the opening week viewers were true Narnians (I was one of them) who were eager to see how this much-loved tale had been adapted to film. Most of us were terribly disappointed. It wasn't so much the plot adjustments, which any reasonable person knows will happen when adapting a book to a film, but the introduction of alien and hostile themes into the story. Themes like the heavy-handed Hamlet motif, or the Petulant Peter - which was not just a minor adjustment in lines, but a gross violation of the character of Peter.

The letdown that was Caspian has been discussed more thoroughly elsewhere, but it had one ominous repercussion for subsequent Narnia movies: it poisoned the pool of true Narnians. Had Caspian been a thematically faithful adaptation to the book, it would have capitalized on the momentum generated by Lion. The spirit of, "All right! Another Narnia movie!" would have continued to build. But because Caspian was such a letdown to its core fan base, further sequels were anticipated with trepidation, not enthusiasm. I noticed that the "buzz" before Dawn Treader was at least as much negative as positive. Some Narnia lovers were speculating just how badly the story had been mutilated, and jumping on snippets from trailers to justify their pessimism. Even the most enthusiastic promoters of the film had to start with "it's not going to be that bad". This is not a good position among what is supposed to be your core fan base, those who will evangelize on the film's behalf. Among true Narnians, Caspian had blasted a terrible crater that Dawn Treader would have to fly out of.
 
I think Dawn Treader managed that, at least in part. To me, it seemed thematically faithful to the original story. Though there was the expectable amount of rearranging of plot elements (e.g. the conflation of Deathwater and Dragon Island), I do not think those changes mutilated the original storyline. What grated a bit was the introduction of the new plot elements, especially those that were placed at the center of the film. Peripheral introductions (e.g. the character of Gayle) didn't matter so much as the major adjustments like the quest for the seven swords, or the idea of Dark Island expanding to take over Narnia, or the green mist slithering all over the place. No, these things didn't violate the basic theme of the story, but once I got over the relief of that, I found myself asking, "What are these doing here? Didn't they have enough to work with in the original story?"

The answer to this question which I've heard in a couple of places amounts to, "films are a different medium than books, and they need things like unifying themes and easy visual summations of ideas." Okay, but to a true Narnian like me, that just pushes the question back a level: if the story requires this kind of modification to make it work on screen, then remind me why we're bringing it to the screen? Remember, the pool to which later films must appeal consists primarily of lovers of the stories for the stories' sake. This is a far more demanding audience than those who are merely excited to see a childhood favorite on the big screen. These are people who may not mind rearranging some of Lewis' plot elements to make a story more visually appealing, but aren't keen about paying to see a story that was written by someone else that may include elements of the original but is larded with "new and improved" content. The fact that these changes were "necessary" to make the story work on screen won't matter much to true Narnians - what it will do is raise the question of whether adapting them to the screen is worth this kind of rewriting. The story was loved already on the page; adding alien plot elements just to make it filmable won't increase its appeal to the core fans.

This may not be a unanimous opinion, but from what I'm hearing, it seems close to the norm. What I've heard from Narnia lovers I know is that the film is, "All right", "Not a bad adaptation", "Could've been worse", and other less-than-glowing endorsements. This is faint praise coming from a group so critical to the film's success.

This is why I don't think there will be any further films after Dawn Treader. To revive the franchise with this vital core of Narnia lovers, Dawn Treader would have had to rocket out of the "Caspian crater". To me, it seemed that it barely cleared the edge. I enjoyed the film and appreciated the thematic fidelity to the book, and didn't much mind the rearranging of existing plot elements. But even now when I consider seeing it again, I give a mental sigh that I'll have to overlook the Green Mist That Swallows Boats and the Glowing Blue Swords. Part of me doesn't want to bother.

I saw The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe five times in the theatres, and purchased the DVD the day it came out. I saw Caspian twice, and then avoided it like the plague. I've now seen Dawn Treader twice, and may go back one more time, and may get the DVD when it reaches the pre-viewed table. I'm sure there are many like me among lovers of the later books. There, in a nutshell, is the problem the studio was facing, and I don't think they overcame it.
 
Because I think they did a better job than PC this time, there was a little bit of hope for TSC but now I don't know. What you are saying may or may not affect the franchise, but the weak box office weekend sales will. Yahoo Movies is already calling it a bomb.:(

At least VODT did better than "The Tourist."
 
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As somebody pointed out (it was either Specter or NarniaExpert) Titanic didn't do well the first weekend either and it was a very high grossing film. Don't worry about it until, oh, maybe the month after release? ;) I'm not encouraged either, but considering when it was released (I mean, weather, and the end of school), most people either can't or don't have the ability to get out and see a movie.

Did nobody see the foreign totals? $81 million and predicted to go much higher?
 
Very well-written Prince. Thank you for this analysis. I agree with your reasoning. I would just add (which you probably already recognize) that with the departure of the Pevensies, those moviegoers further from the core fan base will lose interest. And for those true fans there is uncertainty as to how "The Silver Chair" might be visually interpretated including the daunting question of how Jadis might be unnecessarily re-incorporated. Anyway, I liked what you wrote.
 
Although upon further reflection, I can't help but wonder if, financially, this movie will gain momentum. It was announced as a "Christmas release" so some fans have even been surprised to see it's already been released. Just the fact the the holidays are still going on gives me hope that many people will be hitting up a movie or two and will naturally opt to see this movie. Also, there was supposedly a blizzard up North that kept people from going anywhere (including the theater) for days. Fox has already announced their satisfaction with its progress thus far. These factors give me hope that the series WILL continue!
 
I have hope that people will go see it at Christmas time. I know my family is very busy, so my sister and I were lucky to make it on opening day. Others won't have time to see the movie until later. I am praying, though, that the movie will make enough money. When modern Hollywood fillmmakers make a good, morally sound movie, they deserve to be rewarded. And I really want them to make TSC. It may seem like a silly thing to pray about, but it is very important to me.
 
I am keeping my hopes up for The Silver Chair. As long as Fox makes a decent return, they will make another. They made 2 Fantastic Four movies, and the first one didn't really warrant a sequel.
 
Right, I couldn't see it until today, and I'm a die-hard fan. I think the numbers should go up over the holidays; this is a really good film, in my opinion, and a much better adaptation of the book than PC was.

It left me hoping for Silver Chair, which is something I was dubious about after PC film.
 
It may. And I won't object if it does, though I don't have a lot invested in the matter either way. The point of all this was to outline my take on the complex dynamics of the situation. If anyone has been thinking, "why, the series is bound to be a smash! There are millions of Narnia fans out there!", then they've been ignoring the subtleties of those fans. There are millions of Lion fans out there, and possibly millions of Chronicles fans, but the differences between the two groups is substantial.

The cruel irony is that the series has now reached the point where many of the modifications made to Caspian and Dawn Treader wouldn't be needed for the remainder of the stories. They all have unifying themes and coherent back-to-front storylines, and aren't told in flashback manner. Everything from Silver Chair to Last Battle is written in a form that would translate very easily to the screen. Whether it ever will is another question.
 
...Remember, the pool to which later films must appeal consists primarily of lovers of the stories for the stories' sake. This is a far more demanding audience than those who are merely excited to see a childhood favorite on the big screen. These are people who may not mind rearranging some of Lewis' plot elements to make a story more visually appealing, but aren't keen about paying to see a story that was written by someone else that may include elements of the original but is larded with "new and improved" content. The fact that these changes were "necessary" to make the story work on screen won't matter much to true Narnians - what it will do is raise the question of whether adapting them to the screen is worth this kind of rewriting. The story was loved already on the page; adding alien plot elements just to make it filmable won't increase its appeal to the core fans...

Your point is well taken Prince. Can you imagine what would happen if a remake of Little Women overhauled the plot by superimposing added layers of alien plot to make the story less episodic? For example, what if the script writers added another neighbor for whom the sisters were vying for as a love interest, but then Laurie discovers he really is a cad and ultimately has a showdown with this new foil, thus winning the love of all --except for Jo, of course... Folks would be up in arms rather than saying, "Well it was a necessary gesture to make the story more unified and palatable to those who have not read the book"!
 
Meanwhile, despite the impression I had of poor attendance, the Grace Hill organization is reporting that on the weekend just gone by, "Dawn Treader" did make number one at the box office.
 
Meanwhile, despite the impression I had of poor attendance, the Grace Hill organization is reporting that on the weekend just gone by, "Dawn Treader" did make number one at the box office.

I can confirm that information as well. But the source I saw (CNN) went on to report that this has been a particularly lackluster winter movie season, and VDT wouldn't have doe nearly as well most other years.

I will be happy if they make SC, and consider anything beyond that a blessing (if they don't completely ruin it like they did VDT).

I plan to see it one more time. But I am so busy right now, I don't know when that will be.
 
Good thoughts. However, there is another factor which we must think about, the "R" word. How big an impact did the global recession have on Caspian? And how much will it have on Treader?
 
Meanwhile, despite the impression I had of poor attendance, the Grace Hill organization is reporting that on the weekend just gone by, "Dawn Treader" did make number one at the box office.

We got that e-mail as well, but I understand the sales figures were for world-wide sales, not just in the U.S.
 
And I forgot to add that students are finishing exams this week, then will hopefully treat themselves to a good movie.

I saw it with 10 friends Saturday (in fact I flew from Texas to Florida to see it opening weekend with my friends, "AS IS TRADITION.") I'm seeing it again tonight with my friend in Houston. I'll see it again this weekend with my mother. And I'm hoping when she and I go see my sister for Christmas on the other side of town that we might stay the night so that me, my sister, my brother-in-law and two nieces can all see it on the 26th while my mom babysits my nephew. Hey, gotta keep those tickets sellin'!

Yeah, anything beyond "The Silver Chair" would be a blessing. It would be the ultimate tragedy if they stopped with that, not to mention the ultimate deja vu! At anyrate, I think there is so much that they could do with "The Silver Chair" as a movie, without changing things from the book. I'm not sure if Apted is the right person for it, but he might be. "The Silver Chair" is an adventure/journey story, but since the purpose of the movie is to rescue Caspian's son and save Narnia from a suprise attack, perhaps the director will not feel the need to add a mist to enhance the story. Following "The Silver Chair" I don't mind what order they film the movies. I think they could make any order for the last three work, though I just hope if they do go that far, that they really do consider doing ALL of the movies!
 
Voyage of the Dawn Treader is a good place to stop. It's a good ending, and completes the Pevensie's tale. If they go on to make The Silver Chair (I hope they do), they need to film all four remaining stories, or it makes the series look like a flop, and the fans feel bad. I felt upset when I heard Disney dropped VDT, and I'll be sad if Fox drops SC, but not as sad, because it's a good place to stop.
 
I agree that VODT would be a logical place to stop, if they must. There is evidence that Lewis himself intended to make it the last story - until he wrote more!

I hope more are made, particularly if the keep up the quality that marked VODT. However, the factors I've discussed in this thread are in play, so I think it'll be an uphill battle.
 
After Prince Caspian, Lewis dealt with "grand divisions" ... the sea, the desert, the northland, the beginning of time and the end of time.

If you were intimately familiar with my own "Byron on Wells" (Please!!), you'd notice that the four central stories that made up the original work were based on the two solstices and two equinoxes, which are the great religious holidays. Winter Solstice (the Christmas), Spring Equinox (Rememberance Day), Summer Solstice (the Regatta), and Autumnal Equinox (Harvest Home). Everything else fit in the spaces between. I suspect Lewis...at least informally...did the same thing, only with geography rather than horology.
 
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