Atlantean Dust and Magical Rings:

Sir Godfrey

Sir Godfrey

Pelegrin Crucis
The Magical Rings:

In Chapter 2 when Uncle Andrew explains his study of magic and the origin of the magic rings. He says that he was given a box of magic dust by Mrs Lefay (whom he believed had fair blood in her). He claims that the box was Atlantean. He then explains after many failed attempts he was unable to use the dust to transport the guinea pigs to another place, at least that was before he discovered that he could sucessfully use the magic dust when it was made into the form of rings. I though this was an intrest subject, since it is by the magical rings that Digory and Polly are transported to The Wood Between the Worlds. And that the dust seems to be quint essential beginnings of the magic that transports us from are world into another world. But then again who is to say Digory and Polly were the first into another world? What if Mrs. Lefay was? or maybe someone else was.
 
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I dont know. umm i would think that it is from a place of magic but i do not know if it was atlantis. it could have very well been form a different relm or world in the book but it was found in atlantisbecause i could not think of any other place that is mythical on the earth rather than el derodo orthe north pole. ohh it could have been a wish from someone back in that day in the book that someone wished for it for chistmas from santa. lol i do not know.
 
I just read in Chapter 3 is that the dust is from The Wood Between The Worlds and from other places. The Yellow rings are made of the dust from Wood Between The Worlds, thus it wants to get back to the Wood, while the Green Rings are made of dust from other places, thus the Green Rigns want to go elsewhere.
 
Well, I don't think it's clear that the dust is from "other places" - I seem to remember that it all came from the Wood, somehow. It's just that some of it "wanted" to return and some of it "wanted" to depart. It could have both existed in the same place, just like positive and negative charges do in our world. The question was, how did Uncle Andrew separate the two elements, and capture them in rings?
 
PrinceOfTheWest said:
Well, I don't think it's clear that the dust is from "other places" - I seem to remember that it all came from the Wood, somehow. It's just that some of it "wanted" to return and some of it "wanted" to depart. It could have both existed in the same place, just like positive and negative charges do in our world. The question was, how did Uncle Andrew separate the two elements, and capture them in rings?
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[xena]A wizard did it![/xena]

The dust came from Atlantis, but that doesn't mean it originated there - only that the Atlantean wizards managed to get hold of it somehow. Maybe they used dust from another world to visit the Wood Between The Worlds and get the dust...

um...

Wait a minute :eek:

(Btw, Bertrand Russell's argument in the linked article is, as we say, full of it. But this may not be the place to discuss why.)
 
Sir Godfrey, reread Chapter 2. Uncle Andrew never claimed it was Atlantean dust. He told Digory, "The Atlantean box contained something that had been brought from another world when our world was only beginning."

Now the fact that the dust was in the possession of Atlanteans means that they also came from that other world. It is just another theory regarding the Atlantean mythology.

MrBob
 
MrBob said:
Sir Godfrey, reread Chapter 2. Uncle Andrew never claimed it was Atlantean dust. He told Digory, "The Atlantean box contained something that had been brought from another world when our world was only beginning."

Now the fact that the dust was in the possession of Atlanteans means that they also came from that other world. It is just another theory regarding the Atlantean mythology.

MrBob
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Yeah I made a slight error in my writing. I know he claimed the box was from Altantis, but that the dust wasn't Atlantean.

Also please read what I said about Chapter 3, were I realized I was wrong in my assumptions.
 
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What I would like to know is how Uncle Andrew could misuse this "dust" so badly that it caused a few guinea pigs to explode.

But seriously, what it means is that the Atlanteans supposedly came from another world into the Wood. Who knows how they got there much less getting the dust from the Wood.

Who knows, maybe Uncle Andrew's godmother came from a race of beings that used to live in the Wood?

MrBob
 
Well, remember what Aslan says at the end of Prince Caspian - that there are "chinks and chasms" that allow passage through the various worlds, and that there were once more of them and now there are fewer. Perhaps someone found a chink that took them to the Wood Between the Worlds.
 
MrBob said:
What I would like to know is how Uncle Andrew could misuse this "dust" so badly that it caused a few guinea pigs to explode.
MrBob
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Well, y'know, if only half the molecules in your body suddenly decide to plane-shift away, or if they're instantly replaced by an indeterminate amount of Woods matter, some funny things could happen...
 
PrinceOfTheWest said:
Well, remember what Aslan says at the end of Prince Caspian - that there are "chinks and chasms" that allow passage through the various worlds, and that there were once more of them and now there are fewer. Perhaps someone found a chink that took them to the Wood Between the Worlds.
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That is a great point PrincOFTheWest. It seems that there could have been many people who entered the Wood Between The Worlds or other worlds through the 'chinks and chasms' or hidden tunnels before Digory and Polly.
 
MrBob said:
What I would like to know is how Uncle Andrew could misuse this "dust" so badly that it caused a few guinea pigs to explode.

But seriously, what it means is that the Atlanteans supposedly came from another world into the Wood. Who knows how they got there much less getting the dust from the Wood.

Who knows, maybe Uncle Andrew's godmother came from a race of beings that used to live in the Wood?

MrBob
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I don't think anybody actually "lived" in the Wood Between the Worlds. That is a place where "nothing happens", the trees just go on growing but nothing else. Remember that Digory and Polly compared it to their attic hideout where nothing happens, it is in the houses (the actual worlds) where people live and eat, and sleep, etc.
Somebody did make it there and perhaps to or from another world.
 
Tolkien and Lewis both (if I am remembering correctly) seemed to intimate that Merlin and other "men of the West" came from Atlantis before it sank into the sea. This mention of the Atlantean box was probably meant to evoke that "magical" heritage, as Malacandra said -- the wizards of Atlantis had managed to get some dust from the Wood Between the World.
 
Mrs Lefay never opened the box, so she didn't know what was in it.

The odds are, until Uncle Andrew opened it, it had remained closed since the Atlanteans put the dust inside it.

Now, I'm fairly horrified at what happened to the guinea pigs (their proper name is cavy/cavies), since I kept these as pets.

Uncle Andrew mentions experimenting to get the dust "into the right form" for what he needed.

Now, he doesn't go into detail of how this was done, but I'm expecting it was through dark magic.

What if his first attempts were unsuccessful because he was combining the properties of the green and yellow rings?

That would have resulted in an object that tried to take you to the wood and return you from the wood at the same time. Obviously, if you pull on something in two different directions at once, you'll break it (or in this case, kill it).

Which probably explains why the first unfortunate subjects exploded.......
 
That truly is a great point Buck and I agree. I got the thought as Uncle Andrew is explaining his experiments that he was indeed using dark magic or witchcraft.
 
buckmana said:
That would have resulted in an object that tried to take you to the wood and return you from the wood at the same time. Obviously, if you pull on something in two different directions at once, you'll break it (or in this case, kill it).
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This makes a lot of sense. I always thougt they sort of blew up, or popped as in popcorn, lol. I think that torn apart makes more sense.
 
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