Do fawns have some kind of magical powers?

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Do fauns have some kind of magical powers?

Do fawns posses any kind of magical powers?
I recall that in the old animated version of TL,TW & TW Tumnus enchanted lucy using his flute.
have to know because if they can inddedd enchant humans then should one have a chnce to move into our wolrd could easily use the same tricks on people in order to find a niche in human civilization
Just a thought...
 
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Kinda.. But it's more a spiritual magic.. Fauns are usually protrayed as usually having a communal power with nature... They're able to hear what the earth is saying, the trees, plants animals, they're able to know when nature is hurting, or feeling happy. Fauns are also very deep romantics and are. uh.. very sexual creatures.. The story of what Tumnus tells Lucy in the movie with the fire is a somewhat G rated version of what they do in myth at nights in the forests around the fires.. Not only is there all night dancing and playing of music.. But also heavy drinking of wine and the catching and courting fairies and other such creatures (including humans) to which they play their flute, lutes or whatever other musical instruments they play in order to put them into a drugged, submissive state; to keep them from running away so that they may do whatever they wish..

Personality varies from Faun to Faun of course.. ;)

And if Fauns exist in our world.. They would not come into our civilization.. They are of the forest.. They would hide on humans.. Sometimes playing tricks if they were tricksters.. But if they see something that interests them.. They will make themselves known.. You wouldn't be able to find them.. They'll find you if you are interesting enough to highten their curiousty..
 
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You certainly know you mythology, WhatAnAslan. I was interested to learn that "faun" is simply the greek version of the latin "satyr", (though Lewis has both in his world, and they're different). You're right, Lewis' version is definitely G-rated. It's always interesting to study the stories of the "others", and how in cultures that take them seriously, it's always seen as dangerous to deal with them, and unlucky even to see them. The issue doesn't seem to be so much that they're "immoral" as that their standards of morality are so different.
 
An interesting thing to note is that when Tolkien read LWW, he criticized it, remarking that "the loves lives of fauns" was a rather ridicuous thing to write about. Clearly, he was reading into the story something that both he and Lewis understood about the creatures (Lewis could have had nearly any of his mythical Narnians find Lucy), but did not say explicitly. Perhaps less license was taken in the movie with regard to Lewis' thought than one might think. Thus the surprise is not that Tumnus charmed and beguiled Lucy for his own purposes, but rather that he repented of his intentions and returned to safely to her home after doing her no harm--an action that ultimately led to harm for him.
 
Thx for the information...

WhatsAnAslan said:
Kinda.. But it's more a spiritual magic.. Fauns are usually protrayed as usually having a communal power with nature... They're able to hear what the earth is saying, the trees, plants animals, they're able to know when nature is hurting, or feeling happy. Fauns are also very deep romantics and are. uh.. very sexual creatures.. The story of what Tumnus tells Lucy in the movie with the fire is a somewhat G rated version of what they do in myth at nights in the forests around the fires.. Not only is there all night dancing and playing of music.. But also heavy drinking of wine and the catching and courting fairies and other such creatures (including humans) to which they play their flute, lutes or whatever other musical instruments they play in order to put them into a drugged, submissive state; to keep them from running away so that they may do whatever they wish..

Personality varies from Faun to Faun of course.. ;)

And if Fauns exist in our world.. They would not come into our civilization.. They are of the forest.. They would hide on humans.. Sometimes playing tricks if they were tricksters.. But if they see something that interests them.. They will make themselves known.. You wouldn't be able to find them.. They'll find you if you are interesting enough to highten their curiousty..
Well to be fair fauns in Narnia were extremely civilized compared to those from mythology Mr. Tumnus himself had an extemely well kept home with comforts that we humans are used too as well. So when it comes to Narnian fauns civilization is not something they would completly shy away from...
And thanks for the info. because it does mean that indeed they could puit spells on people to suit theor own interests just as I suspected...
 
Great find again thx...

lili said:
i found this cool site with some information on fauns... maybe it'll answer some of you're doubts.

http://www.blackfen.com/bglenn/Races/fauns.html
Interesting stuff indeed. it seems to come from a videogame... Thx :)

Anyhow as I said before Narnian fauns seem to far more sociable than their mythological or even videogame counterparts.

Adding all this information up it seems now that a faun entering our world along with some other beings from Narnia is quite plausilbe..

And knowing that fauns like to dance and party I think a a faun would end up owning discotheques or nightclubs. And would live in big mansion in a rural area near woodland.
 
Who knows? But...

Morgan the Traveler said:
I always thought it was not so much Tumnus as it was the flute...
Hmm..
Curious thought...

So far though there is evidence from the book, animated TV movie, UK miniseries and the recent big action film that would suggest the flute itself was some sort of magic instrument but who knows?
What we do know comes from both mythology and the books etc. and they all suggest as others have before that Fauns do seem to posses the power to enchant other beings including humans as observed by what Tumnus did to Lucy.
 
Look it's just all theoritical.. We know Lewis only toned down this stuff for children to be able to read them.. And We can't compare Tumnus to a Greek mythological faun.. because he's a Narnian Faun not a Faun of our world.. Remember.. Aslan created his creatures slightly different from the ones of our world.. Giving them all a consious and whatnot.. They were all able to co-inside with each other without the temptation of wanting to think of their friends as food. It's all fantasy to.. I could write a story about fauns, and it'll be much different from what you'd write of.. As long as you keep the more common traits that are most known about them then it makes them believable and their character true..

And Punk? You said would they find a niche in human civilization.. Ither you misunderstood me, or you asked the wrong question.. I thought you meant finding a niche in human in civilization by coming into our cities and buying a house on a nice little familiy oriented cul-de-sac and getting a job at the corner store..

That I say no to because they again..are portrayed originally as Forest dwellers and could never leave their place in the wood.. Were you actually try to ask could they be civil? In the ways of mannerism by living in their own homes and exhibiting proper table manners?.. The greek fauns did have civil mannerisms to a degree like that as well, but since Lewis based it off these creatures he added his own touchs when he created Tumnus.. I don't ever recall reading about fauns living arrangments.. I usually read of them sleeping out under the stars where ever they want..in nests under tree roots..or in the tall grass of an open field.. But they could of easily lived in homes much like Tumnus.. The beauty about Greek Myths is that.. You can slightly twist and alter some things because so little is known about them and create a thing all your own.. As long as you include the facts you already know about the mysterious creatures that habit the world. Like Lochness.. We know very little about her so it leaves it open for ANYONE to create their own version of her to suit the needs of their story.

Tumnus doesn't come off as one to live around others.. He looked like a hermit with his own little hovel in a nice corner of the wood. I doubt he likes to be in large crowds for very long except when he joins a good party and night time dance around the fires, playing so nice kickass pipe music.. I think he very much likes to have quite peaceful times to enjoy himself.. And be visited from time to time every so often as his little chair for a friend to come visit suggests.. The poor guy doesn't even have a girl to love..

And yes.. I can guarentee you.. If anyone of you reads a story that involves a faun.. More then likely he will be carrying a flute or some other woodwind instrument.. The flute is a magical tool.. You will most likely never find a faun not carrying one. Music is a fauns gift.. It's how they control and manipulate nature.. and creatures.. Much how Aslan's singing created the different kinds of life and species every time he changed tones..
 
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These might help.



The Graces of the Fauns
Fauns are graceful, woodland creatures. They are beautiful, musical, and magical. They know nothing of evil and ugliness, don't understand lies, and think that eating the flesh of another animal is inconceivable. They love singing and playing music, love capering and dancing, and spending warm summer days in the sun.

Physically, they are small, slight people. Their upper bodies are human, and their lower bodies are that of a goat, although they do walk upright. They have tails, and either brown or black fur. The hair on their upper bodies usually matches the same colour as that on their lower bodies. They have two short but sharp horns on their heads, and pointed ears like an elf.

As for clothing, fauns rarely wear any. They are natural creatures, and have no taboos against nudity.

Fauns usually live in herds, ranging from ten to over one hundred. They live in the woods gathering food and enjoying themselves. They sleep outdoors, and even feel uncomfortable entering a house or enclosed space. In winter, they either move southwards to avoid too much snow and cold, or stay beneath spruce and pine trees, or sneak into hibernating animals caves and cuddle up with them for warmth.

The Fauns are known for the beautiful music they can play on their Shawms. They are very musical people, and often master four or five instruments apiece. They are also very fond of presenting short plays on a small hill for a stage. Rarely, humans may watch, but the Fauns get nervous in front of non-Fauns, so the performances are never as good.

Fauns are fluent in Common and Elven, but have no specific language of their own. They do have a few secret calls, like a warning call, that are undecipherable to human ears.

People often dislike Fauns. This is most often caused by the bad reputation their more sociable cousins, the Satyrs, have gained. If anyone specifically knows that the Fauns are different, they will not get the bad reaction roll, but most people think of Fauns and Satyrs as the same race.

Religion of the Fauns

Fauns follow their diety Faunus, God of fields, shepherds, and prophecy. They don't have Clerics, but all Fauns worship Faunus equally, in a non-heirarchial religion. The religion is simple, and Faunus is worshipped by no other known race than the Fauns.

Music of the Fauns

Fauns are very talented in music, and every Faun knows how to play the Shawm, a double reeded flute of sorts.

Through their music, they have an innate form of magic. They play music, and through it they cast certain spells. They may only take spells from the Animal College. These usually manifest themselves as a beautiful, lulling melody that soothes and persuades animals.

Faun Point and Racial Attributes
Cost to play: +20

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------ST-2 -15
DX+3 30
HT+1 10

Beautiful +2 (+4 to opposite sex) 15
Horns (Sharp but small) 5
Enhanced Move (running) x2 20
Animal Empathy 5
Musical Ability +2 2

Reduced Hit Points x2 -10
Truthfulness -5
Gullible -10
Short Lifespan x2 -20
Shyness -2 -10
Vegetarian (herbivore) -5
Reputation -4 (half the time) -10

Musical Instrument (Shawm) at IQ+3 5
Magery 1 (Animal Spells only) 10
Survival (forests) at IQ+2 3













Fauns


Spirits of agricultural fertility, these are sometimes confused with Satyrs, but have the legs, tails and ears of deer rather than goats and have the bodies and faces of handsome youths, their skin and fur both being smooth. They are gentle and harmless, and Nymphs enjoy their company, and they may be seen dancing gracefully together as the faun plays his shawn, a kind of flute their founding deity Faunus invented.



Faunus is the God of fertility from what I read.
 
Hopefully I can shed light on this topic. The Ancient Greeks were very Aristotelian. They believed that man sat at the pinnacle of creation, and that all animals were captive to "beastly passions" and illogic.

The story of the Lapiths and Centaurs, that appeared comic-strip like around the Parthenon, is one example. The Lapiths were human and invited Centaurs (man/horse) to a wedding party. The Centaurs got drunk and went on a rampage and had to be driven off by the Lapiths in a battle.

The point is, the Greeks were so humanocentric in their approach that if ANY part of your body resembled that of a "lowly animal" you were expected to not have the self control or self respect of a human. Any human.

C.S. Lewis...and I...see things a bit differently.
 
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