Leeland fans???

snowflower said:
Not trying to be agumentative..but isn't there some things important about Christianity besides beliveing in the same God?I mean,there are issues,and doctrine,and things like that...:o
No offence meant..:(
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Definitely.

xBella.MyEdwardx said:
Sorry if I seem naive, but what do you mean when you say "staying-on-the-mountaintop"?
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staying on the mountaintop is a term used by Christians who are excited, on fire for God and they want to stay on that high. The bad thing is, we can't stay on the mountain because if we could, we'd never know who God truly is. Most of the "staying-on-the-mountaintop" mentality is the emotional, feel good, pat-me-on-the-back, etc....

@JoshtheJester: You have to understand that Jesus is narrow-minded. He said, *and I quote* "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; No one comes to the Father except through ME."-John 14:6.

being more "open-minded" is called being tolerant of anything and everything, which Christians are clearly called NOT TO BE. If you call a Christian narrow-minded, for example what I said above, then you need to call Jesus a "narrow-minded bigot" because that's what He is. The message of Jesus is exclusive; only those who call on HIS name can be saved. only those who believe in HIM and claim HIM as Lord can go to heaven. so you see, Jesus is very narrow-minded, and we as christians are called to be narrow-minded as well; not to the point where we are so judgemental *Jesus wants us to judge people's actions; not the person themselves*.

Christianity isn't exclusively based on love; it is based on the PERSON, LIFE, DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. yes, Jesus is love; yes, He calls us to love others, and yes, He loved us with a love that no person could emulate but He also mentioned hell more times than He mentioned heaven or the good stuff. He harped on the fact that we ARE SINFUL and we NEED HIM as SAVIOR, because only HE can make us pure and save us from eternal punishment and pain.

I have more to say but I can't because I have to go eat
feel free to discuss my points.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
the problem with most bands, especially Christian bands nowadays, push for non-denominational beliefs and the "staying-on-the-mountaintop" mentality. Casting Crowns, unfortunately, has somewhat drifted into that. The only ones that I really respect for not doing so is Jeremy Camp and BarlowGirl, who tug at the deeper issues. Leeland and Casting Crowns pushes that; as my parents stated; they believe denominations are important because you can't have a "jumbalaya" mix of beliefs and be able to come out with a solid Biblical view.
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I don't want to be argumentative in these things I'm about to say.
I don't think that Casting Crowns does that. I have pretty much heard all of the songs on the 1st cd and I have the last two cds. The 2nd cd of Leeland deals with living your faith out more than the 1st one which is more praise oriented. Oh, ya..."Count Me In" on their 2nd cd has a kind of predestination line.

snowflower said:
Not trying to be agumentative..but isn't there some things important about Christianity besides beliveing in the same God?I mean,there are issues,and doctrine,and things like that...:o
No offence meant..:(
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Again same as Audrey I'm not trying to be argumentative, but there are differences in doctrine and what people have to say about the scriptures. Personally I think that if you believe and trust in what the Bible says about salvation then the people who believe in the same way of salvation are brothers and sisters. Now, I'm not saying that different issues about what the Bible says are not important. Because it is important to understand what the Bible truly says about certain main issues today.

Again please don't get offended, because I really don't want anyone to get offended.
 
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Casting Crowns may not say it in their music but they stated it in their statements in their stop in Wichita Falls, Tx; the concert my parents were at. the only song I think my dad liked of Leeland's was "Carry Me to the Table" or something like that...
 
Aravis I hope you don't mind me asking this, but why didn't your parents like the other Leeland songs?

Oh and can you clarify what Casting Crowns said at the concert that they don't say in their music?

Sorry but I'm getting a little confused.:confused::o
 
I dont' know what they said because I wasn't there due to a certain person going along which I can't stand to be around because he creeps me out. my dad said they made some remarks regarding non-denominational churches and that denominations weren't important; somethign else too but I dont' remember.

My parents are very conservative and they cannot STAND songs or peoploe who promote the "we should love" "we should stay on teh mountaintop" "we should be more open-minded" feel good junk. The fluff of songs is what you might call it. and I don't like it either; from their comments, that's what Leeland and CC were promoting. Yeah, i'm done in this thread. :rolleyes:
 
Well Aravis like I said in my last post some christian will disagree with the meaning behind the songs that Leeland and Casting Crowns perform; like your parents! Though here is something to think about!
Back in Jr. High, my youth group went to a homeles shelter to help serve in the summer. I remember we stayed one time to listen to a Presbyterian Pastor give a message. What he was talking about I forget; but one thing stuck out to me, he said that he believe that his cats will be with him when he dies and goes to heaven. He also said some other things which made a lot of us crack up a little, even though he was serious the whole time. Afterwards our youth pastor told us that even though a lot of the stuff he said we didn't agree with, was mumbo jumbo, just take what something out of the mesage that was true and chew on it! To me its crazy what different denominations will believe!
I love my church so much, because we don't judge denominational churches, and we are a tight-knit church family will go serve others, andspread the gospel throughout the world!
I just recently began listing more to the lyrics of songs, and try to figure out the meaning behind them! That's why I like Leeland's albums, because the lyrics to their songs inspire me to serve God, and live a life of laying low!
 
I don't know a thing about Leeland, but I know that there is a VERY great problem currently with churches wanting peace and harmony and oneness and agreement at the expense of truth. I am considered a liberal in some circles because I believe that God makes some allowance for the ignorance of people raised in false beliefs; but that's not liberal ENOUGH to suit some churches these days. They argue that the Buddhist, Hindu, etc. can find out all about Jesus and NOT be ignorant any longer, then still reject Jesus against better knowledge for totally bogus reasons...and yet STILL go to Heaven without ever having repented.

Compromised churches will look at all sorts of evil and falsehood--but only manage to be indignant at those who denounce the evil and falsehood. Compromised churches "tolerate" practically everything--EXCEPT those who insist that truth is true. Compromised churches gush endlessly about "unconditional love"--but won't let you get specific about the attributes of the God Who DOES the loving.
 
Copperfox said:
I don't know a thing about Leeland, but I know that there is a VERY great problem currently with churches wanting peace and harmony and oneness and agreement at the expense of truth.

Compromised churches will look at all sorts of evil and falsehood--but only manage to be indignant at those who denounce the evil and falsehood. Compromised churches "tolerate" practically everything--EXCEPT those who insist that truth is true. Compromised churches gush endlessly about "unconditional love"--but won't let you get specific about the attributes of the God Who DOES the loving.
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I only read this because I saw that you had replied and wanted to know your thoughts. agree with you on this. :)

@Josh the Jester: "Afterwards our youth pastor told us that even though a lot of the stuff he said we didn't agree with, was mumbo jumbo, just take what something out of the mesage that was true and chew on it! To me its crazy what different denominations will believe!"

so what makes you think that something is true? something that you agree with or makes you feel good? If it DOES NOT line up with the Bible exactly, then it ain't truth. we can't judge what's true by our own standards but only by the Bible's; and even though there are a lot of good pastors out there, you can't take what they say as truth because they're human as well as us and are prone to interpreting the Bible however it suits them *i.e. Joel Osteen*; sorry I had to say that I agreed with Copperfox *for once, lol.*
 
Ok after I read your last post, I felt like I was being attacked in a way! Myself as a Christian, I believe a lot of what my church teaches! We reach out to others with love, and like I said we are a tight-knit church family, and I'm not gonna let views of denominational churches tear down what I come so far to know! Leeland is still my favorite band, because of their work, and their mission to raise a generation of young believer to live passionately for God, even when it means going the opposite way of the world! I'm sorry, but after all this I feel like I have to leave this forum for good. I honestly have nothing against anyone, but I stand where I am in my faith in Christ! I live to serve the King of Love! I have come to live this life of laying low! Goodbye and God Bless!
 
it wasn't an attack, it was a question which shouldn't have raised anyone's temper. I never openly attacked what you believe; I said what I believe and what my opinion is, and I did it without attacking you as a person or your church. I don't agree with non-denominational views but I'm not going to attack you and say you're wrong because in God's eyes, we're never right. I'm sorry if you feel that it was an attack but clearly, you didn't take the time to read the post fully and understand that it was a question, one you didn't answer but instead you answered it with an unmitigated retort that I attacked you. it isn't a bad thing if your church is teaching what it should be, i.e. what the Bible says and NOT distorting it; but you also have to understand what you believe on your own WITHOUT your church or friends. again, it was not an attack and I'd appreciate it if further in your forum-future, you would take the time to read and understand teh posts before you say they're attacking you. No offense was meant in my posts, btw. :)
 
Josh the Jester said:
Ok after I read your last post, I felt like I was being attacked in a way! Myself as a Christian, I believe a lot of what my church teaches! We reach out to others with love, and like I said we are a tight-knit church family, and I'm not gonna let views of denominational churches tear down what I come so far to know! Leeland is still my favorite band, because of their work, and their mission to raise a generation of young believer to live passionately for God, even when it means going the opposite way of the world! I'm sorry, but after all this I feel like I have to leave this forum for good. I honestly have nothing against anyone, but I stand where I am in my faith in Christ! I live to serve the King of Love! I have come to live this life of laying low! Goodbye and God Bless!
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Don't leave Josh!
Aravis Kenobi said:
I only read this because I saw that you had replied and wanted to know your thoughts. agree with you on this. :)

@Josh the Jester: "Afterwards our youth pastor told us that even though a lot of the stuff he said we didn't agree with, was mumbo jumbo, just take what something out of the mesage that was true and chew on it! To me its crazy what different denominations will believe!"

so what makes you think that something is true? something that you agree with or makes you feel good? If it DOES NOT line up with the Bible exactly, then it ain't truth. we can't judge what's true by our own standards but only by the Bible's; and even though there are a lot of good pastors out there, you can't take what they say as truth because they're human as well as us and are prone to interpreting the Bible however it suits them *i.e. Joel Osteen*; sorry I had to say that I agreed with Copperfox *for once, lol.*
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I agree Aravis. But, when CC said that denominations aren't important maybe they mean't that they aren't important for salvation. I go to a PCA church and my cousins go to a penecostal church and just because we don't believe in some of the same things (like women preachers, and predestination)that doesn't mean that they aren't saved or that I'm not saved.
Maybe the songs your parents heard were the most "we should stay on the mountaintop" songs they have. They also have songs about being saved like "Lift your eyes" and evangelism like "Tears of the Saints".

I'm not trying to be offensive in what I'm saying. I don't mean to be if I am.

But, anyway I didn't expect this tread to turn into a theological discussion. So, maybe we should get back to Leeland.:o:)
 
Yes I believe this whole thread was about leeland in the first place, but it turned into people sharing their beliefs as christians. I'm not going to leave, and I'm sorry, but I kinda felt like I was being attacked! Forgive me!:D Let's just stick to the topic of the thread! Leeland!
 
Oh okay. Nice name :)
I'm Mya.

I love 'Tears of the Saints' and 'Lift your eyes' is pretty good too. I'm listening to 'Count me in' right now.
 
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ok i know the discussion is over but i CAN'T read this and not say anything.

I go to a non-denominational church, and personally i disagree with denominations. in a non-denominational church we follow the bible and God's teaching, while a denominational person may find themselves following the rules of their denomination rather than God's laws.

There were many things said I'd like to reply to directly, and also alot of things that I found personally offensive, but I'll leave it at that since the discussion seems to be over.
btw, I agree wholeheartedly with every word Josh said.

Anyway, I LOVE Leeland! Just look at my siggie lol. I think their new CD is amazing! Much better than their old one (as much as I loved that one)
 
Right On! Just about every song on their first CD is amazing; but my favorite out of them all is "Beautiful Lord"! I can't seem to find a favorite song off their second one though, cause they all sound purely dandy!
 
exactly! i cant single any of them out cause they're all so amazing lol.
my favorite from the old one is probably either Carried to the Table or Too Much. Once again though, i love each of the ones on that album alot too lol.
 
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