I'm kind of taking it upon myself both to argue with WHB, because he deserves it, and to answer any points that I feel I might be able to add something to. This post MAY turn into a bit of a monster - sorry about that!
anywhere is better than Manchester. It is the most awful city ever to have existed. A foul desolate wasteland of a place. Now Leeds - that's a completely different story!!
You're only saying that because you're jealous. Has Leeds ever hosted the Commonwealth games? NO. Because Leeds is just... it's a cesspit of humanity.
No offence
waterhogboy said:
Manchester is bad Derny, cos it is the wrong side of the Pennines. The Dark Side. The evil one. They have Mancunian accents for goodness sake!!
Yes... what a surprise that we have Mancunian accents when we are, and this may come as a surprise to you, Mancunian...
waterhogboy said:
That is impossible - nothing from Manchester can be cool - he must have been lieing...
Also, we're educated to spell 'lying' correctly in Manchester.
waterhogboy said:
If you mean 'afternoon tea' by tea time i.e. cucumber sandwiches and a cup of tea then no. That hasn't really happened for ages. In the south, that's what tea means, so if you asked a southerner that question they would say 'No'. However, if you're from the north, then tea is just the name for your evening meal, so I have tea time everyday!
This ain't necessarily so! It has something to do with your socioeconomic background too. The higher you are in terms of class, the less likely you are to call the evening meal 'tea'. In my house, tea is a drink or a light meal before the main dinner in the evening - or a meal for children who go to bed well before the adults' dinner. But WHB would probably say that the correct order for meals is breakfast, dinner and tea, while I would argue that it's breakfast, lunch and dinner.
waterhogboy said:
I think the most famous person with a Leeds accent is the Spice Girl Mel B, I can't think of anyone else.
Wow. What a classy example.
waterhogboy said:
I used to go to a place in Wales called Kimnal Hall with my church when I was very little, like early 90's. Wales is a brill place so it's no wonder the Welsh are proud of it! Plus, they've not got much else to be proud of.
Sadly, I have to take issue with this. In my experience, the Welsh are only too happy to leave it *cough* DAD *cough*. Yes, it can be beautiful, but the only areas that seem to thrive are those with high concentrations of tourists. Go to Anglesey, famed for its beauty, and look around Llangefni (my father's from there, so I've been there often enough to know). It's a dying town.
And Jonny - you've put Manchester in some sort of no-man's-land with your statement that the north is above it and the south below Birmingham. Please. Manchester is in Lancashire, which is most definitely NORTHERN.
waterhogboy said:
Just so internationals know. People from Manchester are a strange breed. They have natural umbrellas growing out of their heads cos the weather is 99% rain. The other well known fact about them is they like to eat babies. People from where I live are hired to keep any Mancunian from escaping their city and bringing their plague on the entire country/the world.
Yes. Yes we do. Although, Jonny, one of the two of us has a little history with umbrellas, and it certainly isn't me. Remember that? Hmmm? And gair - who
wouldn't rather be Manc than Scouse? So many Scouse jokes, so little time...
Why does the Mersey run through Liverpool?
Because it'd get mugged if it walked.
What do you call a man in a suit in Liverpool?
The defendant.
I could go on.
waterhogboy said:
Welsh don't really hate anyone but think their superior to everyone else.
Ah, not really. At least, my dad doesn't. And I'm technically more Welsh than English (although I've lived in England all my life, have been educated in England, owe everything except my name to England...) but I only think I'm superior to my inferiors which includes WHB, but not 'everyone else'.
Additionally - CyberCat asked why the British flag is called the Union Jack - technically, it isn't. It's called the Union flag UNLESS it's on a ship, in which case it becomes the Union Jack. Why that should be the case is somewhat unclear, although flags on ships do often seem to have funny names. On ships it is apparently (and I'm relying on Wikipedia being credible here, which may be stupid of me) flown from something called the jackstaff. Perhaps that's why?
CopperFox - re. our earlier move towards representative government - it actually has more to do with the rise of the middle class, which happened because so many peasants were killed by the Black Death during its numerous and devastating visits to our shores. Fewer peasants meant that those remaining could command higher wages - hence the birth of a new class long before anyone else was bright enough to come up with it. I don't think that longbows had much to do with it - knights were probably capable of using them too.
Someone asked what a 'Sloane' is - it comes from 'Sloane Ranger', which was a name given in the seventies or eighties, I believe, to the young women who lived in London in the Sloane Square area. Typically they had not-very-taxing jobs and lived off their fathers' money, and were often leaders of the fashion pack. Princess Diana was actually a pretty good example of a Sloane Ranger. Sorry if anyone around here loves her, but seriously, she was.