Peter vs. Caspian

Peter, well he is an interesting character i mean he has to be viewed as THE hero in the films. I picture him more of a hero than Caspian is... not becasue he had the fight scene with Miraz but because the Pevensies 'save Narnia' and Peter's the leader of that group and is therefore considered the hero.
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I know what you mean King Peter, however I don't see how Peter is or should be THE hero. If any of the Pevensies is a hero, it's Lucy because SHE remembered who REALLY saved Narnia--Aslan Himself.

I DO agree that Peter is more a hero than Caspian. It's about experience. I always imagined Caspian "reading up" on High King Peter and King Edmund to see how the job is supposed to be done(after he is King Caspian...you know, during those 3 years while he's rebuilding Narnia and learning how to be a NARNIAN king). :D I imagine he patterned his rule and court to be like theirs. That said, while Peter deserved more than he got, don't give him more than he deserves. :)
 
Yeah, thats very true. Lucy, shes an interesting one too. I used to not like her character much at all but now i see how shes really a hero. Even though i love Peter lol, I kinda wanted to see more of Edmund in Prince Caspian i felt like his roles were very small and was kind of a 'stand here and shine my flashlight in your eyes' thing.
 
I agree with you, King Peter fan:) He was a true hero and had to better hos own insecurities as well as the villainous Miraz - which he did:cool:

EDIT - I missed to quote you message right after Copperfox'response to the previous one which I made. Sorry!
 
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"I know what you mean King Peter, however I don't see how Peter is or should be THE hero. If any of the Pevensies is a hero, it's Lucy because SHE remembered who REALLY saved Narnia--Aslan Himself."

Very true, Elentari. Without Lucy, Peter and Caspian would have lost the battle. Her undying belief in Aslan was what ultimately saved everyone, even if no one listened to her until it was almost too late. Only Edmund remembered that from LWW because he treated her the worst back then.

"I always imagined Caspian "reading up" on High King Peter and King Edmund to see how the job is supposed to be done(after he is King Caspian...you know, during those 3 years while he's rebuilding Narnia and learning how to be a NARNIAN king)."

Yes, and I can see him discussing it with Doctor Cornelius, "What we really need is some kind of written chronicles. Are there any Chronicles of Narnia from their time?"
Doctor Cornelius then goes into his library an pulls out two books. "Here," he says lying the each book on the table, one at a time, "is a Chronicle of how they became kings and queens. And this is a Chronicle about how they helped a simple fisherman's adopted son discover his true heritage as a prince of a country just south of us."
"Hmm, Lewis." Caspian notes the name written on each book, "Such an odd name."

MrBob
 
On the subject of heroes, Peter, Susan, Edmund, Lucy, Caspian AND Aslan are all considered them. I think people look up to Peter more because he's the eldest and Caspian (although is supposed to be much younger in the books) is also older so they're the "role models" so in a sense are the heroes but now that Peter and Susan won't be in the next movie, Edmund is probably going to play more of a hero figure that Peter was.
 
Well, I just wish that after Voyage when we start new threads called "Edmund vs. Caspian" it's to see which one we each liked best instead of some kind of conflict between them in the movie in which neither was really in the right..or wrong...:)

The Chronicles are such great books because the real heroes (with the help of Aslan) ARE all children. They save the day in all books, not an adult--though they have the help of "grown ups". :)
 
On the topic of heroes - I think there all pretty great when it comes down to it. :)

I liked MovieCaspian better than MoviePeter, though I could sympathsize with MoviePeter. But I liked BookPeter better than BookCaspian.

I hope they don't have any conflict between Edmund and Caspian in VDT - though now that I think about it, didn't they argue about Death Water Island, the place where the water turned whatever touched it into gold? Caspian was really excited (Or maybe it was Drinian) but Edmund told him the water was dangerous. I don't remember very well, so if they did argue in the book it was not a big argument. I hope it's not blown out of proportion.
 
Actually, in the book the argument nearly came to bloodshed; but whereas the conflict in the PC movie was trumped up by incompetent screenwriters, the near-conflict on Deathwater Island was caused by the evil enchantment on the place, rather than really being the fault of Caspian or Edmund.
 
Right. What happened, Valiant, was that Ed, Lu, and Caspian (and Eustace?) were trying to figure out what happened to one of the missing lords (later found to be Octesian). There was rusted armor and some torn fabric (I think) laying on the ground, but no bones. When they look in the water they think there is a statue under water made of pure gold. Ed tests the water with a stick or something and discovers that the water turns things to gold when some water gets on his shoe. Caspian checks for himself, then decided to claim the island for Narnia. Edmund challenges him that HE should claim it since he is brother to the HK. As Copperfox said, they nearly drew swords except Lucy was yelling at them and then she--and then all--saw Aslan and promptly forgot everything that had happened, except that they knew they had found a lord and that they had acted very badly. The question of enchantment is implied, but not directly stated, at least as I remember.

The only other time it gets close to an argument is later when Caspian decides to abdicate and go East with Reepicheep rather than going back to Narnia. Edmund--rightly this time--along Reep and Lucy, forbid him to do so.

Both scenes could be played correctly or majorly enhanced to be more of a conflict than they actually turned out to be.
 
"The question of enchantment is implied, but not directly stated, at least as I remember."

The statements such as "They looked at one another like people waking from a sleep.", "this is a place with a curse on it" as stated by Reep, and, "Their Majesties seemed a bit bewitched when they came aboard." as stated by Drinian all lead to a clear conclusion.

The big question, though, is whether the enchantment actually came from the island which led them to arguing or from Aslan causing them to forget what they had discovered. But as Lucy seemed to be unaffected, calling for the two to stop the grandstanding, and then being insulting to boys in general, I tend to lean toward the latter.

MrBob
 
Thanks for clearing up the argument between Caspian and Edmund for me. *mutters about how I need to re-read*

In that case, I hope they make it clear that there could've been an enchantment making them act that way. And I also hope that they don't actually swordfight, that'd be a bit much, I think.
 
As a matter of fact, if they want to stick a unifying super-villain of some kind into the story, this villain could be shown to be responsible not only for the Deathwater Island curse, but also for the slavetrading in the Lone Islands, the pirates attacking the Dawn Treader still earlier, AND the evil of the Island of Dreams. Maybe even the sea-serpent attack. Huge a departure though this would be from the book, I would not be too upset about it if only they did NOT ruin the PERSONALITIES OF THE GOOD GUYS, which they went out of their way to do on purpose in "Prince Caspian."
 
The big question, though, is whether the enchantment actually came from the island which led them to arguing or from Aslan causing them to forget what they had discovered. But as Lucy seemed to be unaffected, calling for the two to stop the grandstanding, and then being insulting to boys in general, I tend to lean toward the latter.
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I always thought it had more to do with Aslan. Lucy is the first one to see Him (naturally), so she is quiet at this point. When you read the chapter there doesn't seem to be any hint of a weird feeling or the question of enchantment. Honestly, the entire thing was started by Caspian, driven further by Edmund, and completely stopped by Aslan. I always imagined it like waking up from a vision. Since the only talk of enchantment was AFTER Aslan walking by, it seems more likely He "wiped their memory" so to speak. They would act funny to Drinian due to the circumstances. I guess it adds another question to my list of things to discuss with Lewis when I arrive in Heaven...;)
 
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As a matter of fact, if they want to stick a unifying super-villain of some kind into the story, this villain could be shown to be responsible not only for the Deathwater Island curse, but also for the slavetrading in the Lone Islands, the pirates attacking the Dawn Treader still earlier, AND the evil of the Island of Dreams. Maybe even the sea-serpent attack."
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If they ARE going down that route then perhaps the prime candidate for `super-villain` would be the White Witch again.
I`ve been wondering about this since her re-appearance in `Prince Caspian` and I suppose they could do something with the Aslans`s table/stone knife scene. Doing that could tie in with some plot involving Ramandu`s daughter as well.
 
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If they ARE going down that route then perhaps the prime candidate for `super-villain` would be the White Witch again.
I`ve been wondering about this since her re-appearance in `Prince Caspian` and I suppose they could do something with the Aslans`s table/stone knife scene. Doing that could tie in with some plot involving Ramandu`s daughter as well.
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Probably she will be the Green Witch in the movie. She is an excellent supervillain.
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And all of this only HELPS make her seem far more powerful than she really is...or was...

(The reappearance in PC actually went along with the book, just "a wee bit" further than the actual plot.:rolleyes:)
 
The White Witch has the advantage over the Green in that she`s going to be immediately recognisable to anyone who`s seen the earlier films but are not familiar with the books.
If they do make The Silver Chair they could also suggest some sort of link between the two of them, but if they do I hope they make it indirect and not just have it that they are the same person!
 
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I just got back from a week long mission trip and the ENTIRE time I kept argueing with two other people from my group about P.C. They were saying how Peter was the better one then Caspian and how Caspian was the one who was a wuss and Peter was better because how Peter was fighting Miraz and how Caspian wouldv'e lost if it was him. I on the other hand loved Caspian way better then Peter. Peter lost a lot of respect from me when he was a jerk in the beginning about being a kid again, then not believing Lucy, not calling off the attack on the castle, and debating the w.w.! So I loved Caspian, disliked Peter. Any one agree or disagree?
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Peter's charector change did bother me but it wasnt as bad because in the end he was still a likeable charectore he just wanted to relive what happend the first time and he still wanted what was best for narnia. I did like Caspian in the sense that he did not try to control every thing and stepped back when he needed to, but I didnt so much like his bits with Susan. All in all I think I did like Peter more
 
THAT is exactly the problem! They PURPOSELY went against one of the MAIN themes of the book--Peter as a worthy mentor to Caspian--to make Peter seem like an overrated blowhard instead. All this to pander to the teenage-rebellion market, which isn't supposed to like the idea of having anything to learn from elders.
 
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