The Series is threatened.

BarbarianKing said:
The falling away and redemption had already been achieved in LWW with Edmund. There was no reason for casting Peter in the same role. No reason whatsoever. And it is not your generation, Daishy, if you mean that you are younger than other members here because I know many young members who are also disappointed in that portrayal of Peter.
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I proposed it hypothetically, not as a definite.
 
BarbarianKing said:
The falling away and redemption had already been achieved in LWW with Edmund. There was no reason for casting Peter in the same role.
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The theme of loss of faith is present in the books, though -not just the movie. You can well ask why C.S. Lewis wanted to repeat that theme in Prince Caspian.

Peter and Susan do not see Aslan and follow their own reason or logic or maturity, whatever, in the book. This is why Peter apologizes upon seeing Aslan because he realizes that he was wrong and had led his people wrong. (Happily, the full sum of his people only included siblings and dwarf and no one was harmed).

The fact that this has been stated by Lewis to be a major theme of the book -while being only very subtly used- IMO justified a certain amount of embellishment to be brought to dramatic life.

Just my take on things.
 
Fifth Pevensie said:
I may just be lost but it sounds here like you two (PotW and Daishi) are using interchangably the concepts of Art and Entertainment.

I would hold that they are very distinct issues. In matters of Art, the purpose behind the work should be respected as it is a form of expression. In matters of Entertainment, only you can judge what you find amusing or interesting.

There is a level of subjectivity in all that we perceive: the world as a whole and our companions in this life. It's true that most of the time our goal is to overcome our own limited outlook -our own highly personal experiences- and broaden it to encompass universalities and approach Truth as the absolute. We take the effort to understand each other --to walk in each other's shoes. Thus, too, in Art we try to see the sculpture as it was originally conceived by another mind -> we stretch ourselves, through our imaginations slowly communicating.

In the case of Entertainment, this is not really necessary. We're not after truth; we're after response. It's a simpler, personal matter of whether you find something amusing or aggravating. So perception and subjectivity, personal inclinations and prejudices, rule the day.

Ok, I'll hush up now since I'm pretty sure I'm not making sense. But, I really enjoyed reading your posts nonetheless. Very thought-provoking.
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They are distinct issues but not. In terms of what a storyteller is trying to portray it is akin to what an artist is trying to communicate, the mediums simply differ. In movies there are both the entertainment factors as well as the art factors, whether the movie engages us as well as whether or not it communicates the intention of the writer.
 
I agree that there was some loss of faith in PC. I'll even agree that some embellishment may be necessary to make a visual story more apealing. But in my opinion, they made Peter reject Aslan altogether.
 
Daishi said:
They are distinct issues but not. In terms of what a storyteller is trying to portray it is akin to what an artist is trying to communicate, the mediums simply differ. In movies there are both the entertainment factors as well as the art factors, whether the movie engages us as well as whether or not it communicates the intention of the writer.
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There you go. That's what I meant. Art and entertainment may overlap (as they naturally do when you read a book or watch a movie or go to an art museum seeking entertainment) but they should be considered as separate factors, IMO.

So in the case of PC. It is fairly objective what C.S. Lewis' plot and characters and themes were. In the movie, it is a question of whether we (who are supposed to interact with the film for our entertainment) felt that spirit present or perceived similarities.

Objective similarities are no longer enough because our entertainment is involved. If I felt inspired by Peter's return to magnificence, that is enough for me to enjoy the film. It isn't enough for me to say, "see everyone, you should all enjoy this film because it inspired me."

Ah but I wish. ;) Naw, not really.
 
BarbarianKing said:
I agree that there was some loss of faith in PC. I'll even agree that some embellishment may be necessary to make a visual story more apealing. But in my opinion, they made Peter reject Aslan altogether.
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In the book, Peter and Susan have experienced enough loss of faith that they don't expect Aslan's help. (Exactly why is not made clear) Then, they reject what Lucy saw --they reject Aslan!- because they couldn't see Him. Peter rejects the direction that Aslan suggested (via Lucy) and says even though she may be right, they have to do one or the other. He chose the other!

I think, considering the altered time line etc., that the film made a reasonable embellishment in Peter's character. The question is whether its acceptable or not (which will differ based on the makeup of your values).

Peter experiences his loss of faith when he's whisked unexpectedly out of his adulthood in Narnia and spends a year without communication wondering if he'll ever return (it is completely out of his power). This is further lost when he hears that Aslan has not only seemingly 'abandoned' him but also Narnia. For 1300 years the Narnians were left under the oppression and genocide of Telmarines? Peter knows why he abandoned the Narnians (out of his control) but not why Aslan did.

Peter's biggest moment of rejection in the movie is when he tells Lucy "I think we've waited for Aslan long enough" because he cannot see His presence in Narnia. This Aslan-based plan suggested by Lucy Peter rejects because, like Lucy says, they see it as being one thing or another (dying at the How or at the Castle).

This is a vastly dramatized but, IMO, still accurate faith journey.
(Sorry for the double post)
 
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Things are not looking good for PC in the US Box Office:

1.Kung Fu Panda (DreamWorks Animation/Paramount) -- 3-day Wkd: $60M, Cume: $60M
2. You Don't Mess With The Zohan (Sony) -- 3-day Wkd: $40M, Cume $40M
3. Indiana Jones 4 (Paramount) -- 3-Day Wkd: $22.8M, Cume: $253M
4. Sex And The City (HBO Films/New Line/WB) -- 3-day Wkd: $21.3M, Cume: $99.2M
5. The Strangers (Universal) -- 3-day Wkd $9.2M, Cume: $37.6M
6. Iron Man (Paramount) -- 3-Day Wkd: $7.5M, Cume: $288.8M
7. Chronicles of Narnia 2 (Disney) -- 3-Day Wkd: $5.5M, Cume: $125.8M
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And it's has made a total of $200 Million worldwide. I wonder if it will even reach $400 Million.
 
QA48 said:
Obviously they're still going to go ahead with VDT but if that one doesn't do as well as the first then I think it's fair to say that it'll be a while until we see another movie from the franchise.

I read that Prince Caspian must make around 500+ million in revenues in order for Disney to make back what they spent on the movie, including marketing.
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It is an awesome movie but there is a whole lot of fierce competition to contend with this summer. There is the Iron Man movie which has become one of the biggest hits of any of the Marvel comics adaptations. And the lattest Indiana Jones installment is also robing Caspian of some of the spotlight. As I recall The Lion, the witch & the wardrobe was not released in the summer but in the fall or near winter. Releasing in the summer is always risky because a lot of action and comic book film adaptations come out usually in this period and epic fantasy movies get sort of lost in the background noise.
 
Please keep in mind that in one of it's biggest markets, Europe-especially ENGLAND, PC hasn't even been released yet!!! (Unless I'm wrong?)

I think, because of that, it will do fine.
 
I'll give every chance to VoDT; but between now and then, I do hope Walden will NOTICE that we want a NARNIAN movie, not a highschool-hormones movie!
 
It is the Number one grossing PG movie this year. Also now it has turned in 27,000 dollars of profit. It still hasn't been released in half the countries, including the UK. It will be fine.
 
Copperfox said:
I'll give every chance to VoDT; but between now and then, I do hope Walden will NOTICE that we want a NARNIAN movie, not a highschool-hormones movie!
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I dont know what movie you saw but I saw PC and it was what I thought was the good from the book, and left out the bad :p:p
 
Copperfox said:
I'll give every chance to VoDT; but between now and then, I do hope Walden will NOTICE that we want a NARNIAN movie, not a highschool-hormones movie!
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Not to be nitpicky or anything, but if you are referring to Susan/Caspian per the PC movie, then what would you call the whole Caspian-smitten-with-Ramandu's-daughter-and-it's-mutual in VDT? "Love at first sight?" "High school hormones?"

I wouldn't call it "high school hormones." They are young. Stuff like that happens in classic fantasy and legends...King Arthur and Guinevere? Elaine seeing Lancelot? Lancelot and Guinevere? Hm.... :p

Or Aragorn falling for Arwen pretty much as soon as he saw her. :rolleyes:

:D
 
Lady of the Lion's Mane said:
Not to be nitpicky or anything, but if you are referring to Susan/Caspian per the PC movie, then what would you call the whole Caspian-smitten-with-Ramandu's-daughter-and-it's-mutual in VDT? "Love at first sight?" "High school hormones?"

I wouldn't call it "high school hormones." They are young. Stuff like that happens in classic fantasy and legends...King Arthur and Guinevere? Elaine seeing Lancelot? Lancelot and Guinevere? Hm.... :p

Or Aragorn falling for Arwen pretty much as soon as he saw her. :rolleyes:

:D
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Ditto with out love war is pointless
 
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