Who knew C. S. Lewis
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LOL! I always pictured her blond because I was the last of 4 siblings like her, in the same order age-wise: brother-sister-brother-sister and the eldest and youngest were blond and two in the middle were brunettes. I always imagined my own family in the places of the Pevensies. And, for the reasons PoTW pointed out, I thought of Lucy as golden-haired. When I heard that the actress cast to play her was a brunette, I was pretty upset. But then I saw Georgie ... and she was perfect!Maybe after she became a queen she bleached her hair.
Sir Cabbage
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Maybe after she became a queen she bleached her hair.
Haha! Maybe with a special Narnia brand.
I mostly think of Lucy as having brown hair due to some illustrations showing this and her having brown hair in the BBC series and then the films. Susan is sometimes shown as having brown hair, yet I possibly associate her slightly more with blonde.
TimmyofOz
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It all depends on the illustration, there are drawings in VDT that show Edmund with lighter hair than can't be justified to Baynes just trying to express lighting. But PotW is right in saying Lucy hair is clearly blond in drawings done in LB and but much darker in LWW. This is stange because I was a bond as a child and my hair got darker as time went on. I never heard of hair getting lighter over time by nature. It does look like Baynes wanted to draw the characters different over time. You can see that Scrubb looks much different in SC than in VDT. One possible reason that all of the children's hair is much darker in LWW is the snow. It is very hard to draw blond hair against snow in a B&W drawing.
Well getting back to the subject of who knew CSL, I find it interesting that both Jack and Warren became christians at the same time. It appears they were on a walk and were sharing with each other about talks with Hugo Dyson the previous night and both lead each other to Christ.
Well getting back to the subject of who knew CSL, I find it interesting that both Jack and Warren became christians at the same time. It appears they were on a walk and were sharing with each other about talks with Hugo Dyson the previous night and both lead each other to Christ.
Jadis-the-White
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I don't think they ever met but in 1951 Churchill's office sent Lewis a letter inviting him to receive the title of Commander of the British Empire (C.B.E). Lewis sent a letter back saying he would have to decline it as he feared it would have political repercussions. Lewis admired Churchill but they never met not that I know of anyway.
TimmyofOz
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It seems highly unlilely that they never meet. First I doubt Churchill would have offered such a high title to a person he never meet. Second Lewis was a major voice on the BBC during WWII. For such a thing to happen he would had to have the full backng of the government. I just don't have any source of their meeting.
I can't find anything online that says they ever met. But I read that Churchill, in the 1920's I think, was not reticent to use poison gas in the Middle East to secure British holdings (as if he didn't think of the unruly "tribes" of that region as human). That kind of attitude must have been repugnant to CSL -- and naturally Churchill encouraged the development of wartime technology (radar and sonar) in WWII to save Great Britain -- but maybe his devotion to technology coupled with his previous sentiments about gassing the inferior people ... are reflected in the NICE in That Hideous Strength?
Maybe he didn't like Churchill, I mean.
Maybe he didn't like Churchill, I mean.
TimmyofOz
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And Americans dropped nukes on Japan. I am all for total war tactics during a war. There are no non-combatants in modern war. The problem in THS was that NICE was using total war tactics on its own citizens. Trying to degrade Churchill is revision history. I would think Lewis admired Churchill very much.
I am not trying to degrade Churchill. I just wondered if maybe the war-time technology was on Lewis' mind -- technology that began with war-time and should have progressed for the good of mankind but was instead being pressed into the control of mankind ... And there's no denying what Churchill wrote and said; whether he changed his mind from the 1920's about poison gas, maybe he did.
Pardine
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Total war is a dangerous tactic. You realize, the Islamic terrorists consider themselves at a state of war with the United States, and thus, 9/11 is justifiable to them. We are, thus, all combatants in your eyes? I'm just asking if that is your opinion or if it needs some level of clarification, not wanting to hijack too far.
TimmyofOz
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Islamic terrorist do see us as all combatants. I don't know why inkspot bought up use of Gas in the middle-east. It wasn't used because using gas would have been totally useless and politically stupid. Use of gas in those times only work when there is a concentration of force, like a battle field, and even then it is limited. But inkspot is bringing up a point that Lewis probably didn't like Churchill. And my point is I think Lewis respected Churchill very much.
P.S. Being a fan of Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, I stand by the statement that total war is the only way to win a war.
P.S. Being a fan of Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, I stand by the statement that total war is the only way to win a war.
TimmyofOz
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I think you are confusing Total War with War of aggression. Islamic terrorist have declared a war of aggression against the Western infidels and that is not justified. The western allies charged the Nazis with the war crime of commiting a War of aggression but not for fighting a total war. But this is a hijacking.
Right, we can discuss war in another thread if anyone has a mind too. The only reason I brought that up about the gas is that Churchill advocated using poison gas in the Middle East to settle down the tribes and protect British holdings in the 1920's -- that coupled with his encouragement of developing technology for war made me wonder if perhaps CSL had philosophical differences with Churchill. I can find no evidence they ever met, and although CSL was cordial in his refusal of the commendation Churchill wanted to give him, we can't really know what he thought of the man. (At least, I have nowhere been able to find anything CSL wrote about him.)
Jadis-the-White
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Lewis declined the honour for as he says in his letter back to Churchill's office "There are always Knaves who say,and Fools who belive,that my religious writings are all covert Anti-Leftist propaganda,and my appearance in the Honours List would of course strengthen their hands.It is therefore better that I should not appear there".
Lewis was skeptical of politicians and tried to steer clear of Partisan Entanglements.Part of a letter he wrote to his brother in 1940 "Could one start a Stagnation Party---Which at General Elections would boast that during its term of office no event of the least importance had taken place".
Lewis admired Churchill for his other talents his paintings,writings and speach making, not because he was a great politician.
Lewis was skeptical of politicians and tried to steer clear of Partisan Entanglements.Part of a letter he wrote to his brother in 1940 "Could one start a Stagnation Party---Which at General Elections would boast that during its term of office no event of the least importance had taken place".
Lewis admired Churchill for his other talents his paintings,writings and speach making, not because he was a great politician.
Jadis-the-White
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The use of gas was banned after WWI by all nations including Britian, so Churchill could not have used gas or he would be breaking the treaty which is still in place today.
Here is part of a biography of Churchill -- while he didn't gas anyone, it appears he was not averse to it. And this was sometime in the 1920's, so it was after WW I. Maybe he changed his mind later, but at the moment of this memo it appears he didn't think it was that big a deal to gas people? I am no Churchill expert, only know what I read. I know he was a great man and held the Allies and Great Britain together in the face of the Third Reich. But that doesn't mean CSL admired him. Or do we have some documentation that he did?
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Jadis-the-White
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Well then it just shows you what he thought of the middle eastern nations "uncivilised tribes" he must have forgot that their culture predates his own and that the three main religions came from there.
TimmyofOz
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I would like to see the actual quote, but it seem to me like Churchill is talking about tear gas which here in America the government uses against its own people all the time. It seems from Wikipedia that Churchill didn't want to cause genocide, but to break up concentrations of forces. Let's remember this was England's Iraq war and it seems like the English had as much sucess there as the Americans did 80 years later. It looks like to me from my research it was a threat in hope that it would be taken more serious that it actually was meant to be. The kind of threat that got Saddam in trouble with America in 2003.