Jill's and Eustace

MrBob

MrBob

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This may need to go into the giving filmmakers stupid ideas thread :(

With the announcement of Will Poulter as Eustace, we now can get an idea about Jill. She will right now be about 13-years-old. By the time TSC is made, Will, and possibly Jill's actress, will be 15-years-old.

This brings up some potentially problematic issues with their relationship. In the books it was, of course, platonic as they were about 10-years-old. Aging them to 15 means they may want to add a bit of romantic tension between the two. We already know they are perfectly capable of that with Susan/Caspian. Making a teen romance within an adventure story may be just what the screenwriters do to spice the story up.

I would hate to see this friendship turned into anything else. Assuming they do all seven books, by the time they get to TLB, Will and Jill's actress could be about 21-years-old and the implications of their romance from TSC would be too much to think about. They may have them arriving in Narnia a bit upset with each other due to their failing adult relationship.

Some thought the Caspian/Susan kiss was wrong, I think any romantic kiss between Jill and Eustace in TSC would rival that error due to the complications for the future.

MrBob
 
First off can I just say that I really hope they don't add a Jill/Eustace relationship.:(

Second, the age of the actors don't really have anything to do with the characters themselves. Whem William Mosely played Peter in LWW he was 18 years old, but Andrew Adamson stated that he was playing a 14 year old boy, which is close to his actual age of 13.
So, just because Will and Jill's actress will be teenagers in reality, they will still be playing children. Hopefully whoever directs that movie will take that into acount and not make the same mistake Adamson made. I should hope that the downfall in ticket sales will prevent any unnecessary changes to the movies in the future.
 
I agree there, it would first off be stupid to try to pull the same stunt twice especially after it failed so miserably the first time. I always thought that Jill and Eustace might have married had they lived long enough but I would not want see that in the movies, I want the innocent friendship that they had (or in SC not so friendly-ship).
 
Jill and Eustace i hope they don't either. The susan/caspain was cute but it really messed up the ticket sales.

i doubt they will make the same mistake again even though i can see maybe why they did it to set up that Su won't be back after her line at the campfire "I was just getiting comfrotable in england."

I think the Jill Eustace Freindship will be enough.
 
well, jill and eustace relationships sounds awkward and albeit disastrous because soon the whole Narnia series will be stories of love and triangles instead.
but i like the idea of polly and diggory relationship... they're so cute.
 
whitelion_bella said:
well, jill and eustace relationships sounds awkward and albeit disastrous because soon the whole Narnia series will be stories of love and triangles instead.
but i like the idea of polly and diggory relationship... they're so cute.
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I agree with whitelionn on the Jill and Eustace relationship, but a Digory and Polly relationship? That will also be awkward. Like whitey said, the series will be disastrous if the filmakers just make it about love.
 
"Like whitey said, the series will be disastrous if the filmakers just make it about love."

kingcaspian, the writers already have one perfect story to do a teen romance. H&HB has Shasta/Cor and Aravis eventually getting married. I could see how they could show them kissing at the end. That I would not object to.

Digory and Polly would be harder to do a kiss. We already know that the Professor was not married in LWW and it would be terrible to have the filmmakers say that they divorced. Of course, a childhood kiss does not equal love.

The only kiss I want to see with Jill is the parting kiss she gives to Puddleglum.

"So, just because Will and Jill's actress will be teenagers in reality, they will still be playing children."

Spare Oomian, it is easier for a teen boy to play younger than a teen girl. Some things are, well, more obvious on a maturing girl. Jill's character in TSC is supposed to be about 10. There is no way a 15-year-old girl can pull off a 10-year-old.

The last time Disney had a mid-teenaged girl play a 10-year-old, I refused to watch the movie. Alexis Bliedel played Wiinnie Foster in "Tuck Everlasting" and changed a wonderful story about a girl discovering a family's secret to never dying (the ups and downs of it) to a typical ill-fated teen romance.

MrBob
 
My two-cents.

I think that the filmmakers are making it purposefully directed at an elder sort of audience. Sure, the books were made for kids, but the people who read them when they were kids are now older. So the addition of romance into the films is simply reinforcing that - though in CS Lewis's novels the children were not able to love on a romantic level - people are really capable of feelings like that. Sure, it might not be "love." But did it not seem that Susan and Caspian's relationship was not just a crush? I think it was perfectly obvious that the kiss was the extent of their relationship. I do not think that they'd throw in a Jill/Eustace relationship in the same manner, but I think that they may hint at some sort of an even more innocent "crush" that does not go anywhere near the level Susan and Caspian's.
Sure. It won't be totally the same thing as the book. But honestly, give me one single film that follows exactly the storyline of the book. It's obvious that the films are targeted at an audience of 11+, and I think that some people may be overreacting about it all. I personally thought that Prince Caspian was more mature of a film, and much more realistic than it could have been had they stuck directly to the novel; so if there's a Justace, I'm fine with it.
 
MrBob said:
"So, just because Will and Jill's actress will be teenagers in reality, they will still be playing children."

Spare Oomian, it is easier for a teen boy to play younger than a teen girl. Some things are, well, more obvious on a maturing girl. Jill's character in TSC is supposed to be about 10. There is no way a 15-year-old girl can pull off a 10-year-old.

The last time Disney had a mid-teenaged girl play a 10-year-old, I refused to watch the movie. Alexis Bliedel played Wiinnie Foster in "Tuck Everlasting" and changed a wonderful story about a girl discovering a family's secret to never dying (the ups and downs of it) to a typical ill-fated teen romance.

MrBob
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You do make a good point, but then perhaps they'll find a younger girl to play Jill. A 11-12 year old girl and a 15 year old boy could look like the same age. If Disney/Walden Medias is smart at all they will not add a Jill/Eustace romance, that would just be suicide.


And as for the Digory/Polly thing, that would just be too complicated. I agree with MrBob, they can have their fun with HHB, but leave the rest alone.
 
QueenSusanofNarnia said:
Honestly, I love all of you a lot, but I'm really shocked that so many people are reacting badly to a little romance.
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Are you? Probably because Disney has no concept of "little" when it comes to romance, and Lewis had "little" romance in his books! :D We just want them to "stick to the facts, ma'am". ;)
 
Disney is to forward-thinking to do a "little" romance from the perspective of the 1940's. A little romance in our day is a maddening kiss that ends with an "I'm sorry, but it never would have worked"; a little romance from the 1940's perspective would be holding hands in public.
 
I'm going to try auditioning for Jill. I'm looking to agents and all that. And even if I don't get that paticular part I want to be an extra.

I keep having peopel say I would be perfect for the part and I adore acting and Narnia.
 
Starflower said:
I'm going to try auditioning for Jill. I'm looking to agents and all that. And even if I don't get that paticular part I want to be an extra.

I keep having peopel say I would be perfect for the part and I adore acting and Narnia.
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Oh, that's cool. Maybe you could persuade them against any romance.;) :p

I wish you luck.:)
 
All I'm saying, is that as the series goes on, the audience who watched LWW will be older, and if there is nothing to attract them to it, then they will lose interest. Also, just because the "socital norms" of the 1940s (and earlier, even), meant that the furthest extent of PDA (Public Displays of Affection) between two people that "young" was "holding hands," that does not mean that it always happened that way. It doesn't matter how old they are (let's face it, Susan seems about 15 or 16 in PC, even if her character in the books is 14). And Caspian's probably like 17 or 18.
 
I don`t think they should have any romantic tension between Jill and Eustace because they were friends but nothing more. I`m fine with most of the changes but I really wouldn`t like them together unless it was done extremely well.
 
"Probably because Disney has no concept of "little" when it comes to romance, and Lewis had "little" romance in his books! We just want them to "stick to the facts, ma'am"."

Elentari, you took the words right out of my mouth. In the beginning, Jill is being bullied by Them and just a few months earlier in the previous school term, Eustace was one of Them. They don't start off as friends exactly. In fact, they argue quite a bit throughout the trek. After all of that, I can just see the filmmakers turning the arguing into a "I hate you." "Well I hate you, too." kiss. I hate those kinds of kisses.

Now I would not mind Jill and Eustace share a kiss during TLB such as right before the battle. That would be perfectly timed.

MrBob
 
In my opinion I think Jill and Eustace could have gotten married in the future, but they aren't that old yet. So I hope that they don't do that. The thing with Caspian and Susand was cute. ^^ But I'm glad that they didn't make it a huge thing.
 
MrBob said:
"Probably because Disney has no concept of "little" when it comes to romance, and Lewis had "little" romance in his books! We just want them to "stick to the facts, ma'am"."

Elentari, you took the words right out of my mouth. In the beginning, Jill is being bullied by Them and just a few months earlier in the previous school term, Eustace was one of Them. They don't start off as friends exactly. In fact, they argue quite a bit throughout the trek. After all of that, I can just see the filmmakers turning the arguing into a "I hate you." "Well I hate you, too." kiss. I hate those kinds of kisses.

Now I would not mind Jill and Eustace share a kiss during TLB such as right before the battle. That would be perfectly timed.

MrBob
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And you, Mr. Bob, took the words right out of my mouth, MR. Bob. They were not on the best terms by the events of VOTD. Any attraction between Jill and Eusatce at the beginning of Silver Chair, well it would be like Lorraine in Back to the future actually having a crush on Biff! ( well maybe, not but you get what I'm saying."

They are not a "Han & Leia" or "Elizabeth and MR .Darcy" kind of duo, where they actually do secretly find one another attractive dep down but both of them are too stubborn to admit it. The way I see them in Silver Chair is more like the two kids in class who are forced to work together on a class project because they have to because every one else was already taken, and soon become "just friends" as they find each other some what tolerable.

As for kissing in Last Battle, mmm, it would be needed, but would they get the time to kiss? After all it's the End of the World and to quote the great Short Round in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, " No time for love!"
 
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