Alice in Wonderland

As Helena Bonham Carter says: It's ok to be different :) ^ Tim Burton definitely is a bit of an eccentric person..come to think of it they all are(Johnny,Tim and Helena) but that's exactly what I love about them. And who is to say what is "normal" and what is isn't? To me they are a bunch of genuine people who wouldn't ever feel the need to fake anything,unlike many other people in showbiz. Which is probably why their films always turn out brilliant,there is such chemistry between them :)
 
The new Alice in Wonderland movie!

Okay, forgive me if this is 1. in the wrong place(though it appears not to be) and/or 2.already been done.

I reccently (this tuesday!) saw Alice in Wonderland in 3D. I was curious what people thought of the movie in general, did they realise it was a 'sequel' when going, how was the acting, comparing to book, storyline etc... I saw no thread for it so I am making one :p.

I personally thought it was great (not Narnia great, but still =D), deffinately better as it went along though. I was expecting a Tim Burton movie (and I don't normally care for his movies much) so I didn't expect a lot, but left feeling like I got my 30 dollar's worth of theater tickets and more. It did suprise me a little that it seemed to go between... different styles? Almost making too much fun of a certain character at times, bringing you out of the story. Then at other times it seemed like a great adventure story, and again at others just plain insane. But I think that was one of the things great about it. I also loved the acting, except the white queen maybe, and the 3D was great. Loved Johnny Depp :p. I have other blabbings about it, but too much and I would ruin the story for any who HAVEN'T seen it.

Any thoughts? And is it bad to write spoilers on a thread like this? Sorry again if out of place/already there!
 
This might get merged with a Lamp-Post thread about Alice in Wonderland. As for spoilers, maybe you could wait a day or two, give people a chance to take warning, then proceed with your spoilers.



You know how the winters arrive and depart;
Each one leaves a bit more old age in my heart.
But rise from your bed, and we'll dance all the same;
The tree of remembrance will tell me your name.
 
You can give spoilers, I don't mind cause I don't plan on watching it. First of all, it's not appetizing to me (hardly any movie is nowadays!) and second, 3D gives me a major migraine so I don't watch any of of those either. That's 2 strikes. And I couldn't care less for the actors in the movie. OOOOUUUTTT!!!
 
I'm going to see Alice In Wonderland tomorrow with my friend.
I'm so excited!!!!!We've heard so much about the movie,and lately i've been obsessed with going to the movies.:D:D:D
 
iMerge 2 threads on the same subject, you can read earlier what I thought - I loved the film. If you're going to put a spoiler, just label it in all camps before you do so anyone who wants to can skip your post.

BK, on the off chance you wanted to see it, I heard that it was just as good or better in 2D than 3D, so you don't have to 3D it. It was filmed in 2D and converted to 3D so there's nothing "coming at you" -- it just looks like you're really there. I did not even notice the 3D once the film was a few minutes in.
 
I really LOVE Tim Burton and Johnny Depp!!! I saw the movie and was funny and good. I can't say the most spectacular movie ever but certainly very good! And all the actors Tim usually work with were involved too :D Yeah a good fairytale movie :D
 
The Classic Arts Showcase keeps on turning up weird, grotesque or delightful things. What I most lately saw, which gave me cause to post HERE, definitely fell under "grotesque."

It seems that in very recent years, a composer named Unsuk Chin wrote an OPERA of "Alice In Wonderland;" but from what I saw and heard of it in the excerpt provided by that cable channel, there is no danger of anyone half-normal preferring it over the recent movie, or for that matter over ANY other Alice adaptation EVER made, including Jefferson Airplane's dopey song "White Rabbit." There was no sense of fun in it.

The video I watched consisted mainly of a song by an operatic baritone as The Mad Hatter; but the song was so tasteless and tuneless, that on the strength of this number, by itself, I was prepared to rename the opera "Alice In Uglinessland."
 
BK, on the off chance you wanted to see it, I heard that it was just as good or better in 2D than 3D, so you don't have to 3D it. It was filmed in 2D and converted to 3D so there's nothing "coming at you" -- it just looks like you're really there. I did not even notice the 3D once the film was a few minutes in.

Well, guess what? I saw the movie. In 2D. I didn't even know I was going to watch it.

For those who don't know (probably all of you) I homeschool my kids Erick (15) and Gabby (13). Well, yesterday one of their homeschool groups had an outing to the drive-in and I took them. I had no idea what they were going to watch, but I was not going for the movie but for my kids to hang out with their friends. Turns out the group had decided to go watch Alice (double feature with Percy Jackson but that's another topic).

Funny thing is that I didn't know what movie the group was going to watch so when I got to the gate/box office, they asked me: What movie? I wish you had seen my face. I was like... uuuhh.. aaahh... eeehhhh... baaaa.... so finally it hit me. Since I was following another family I just said: Whatever those people ahead of me are going to watch!!!! LOL!!!

Turns out it was Alice and Percy, hahaha.

Ok, so I admit it. I like the movie, but mostly because it made more emphasis on the Jabberwocky, one of my all-time favorite poems, and second, the lady playing the heroine was just too gorgeous!!:eek:
 
Okay, here's Sim's big old lit. major review. Warning there may be some SPOILERS in here.

First, the general plot: I thought it was a great idea. The original Alice in Wonderland book is about Alice learning who she is, and this movie explored the same idea with a teenage Alice, on the possible verge of marriage. What better time for the concept? I think this is actually when women start really discovering themselves, and it was a great idea on Burton's part.
The rebellion against the Red Queen reminded me vaguely of both Mary Queen of Scots and Bloody Mary (the the Red Queen herself also had some Elizabethan attributes). This, especially with the Hatter's Scottish accent, was INTERESTING, and I can't wait to see some analyses of the satire in the film. I couldn't track it totally, and I think that was on purpose. I have a feel Burton didn't really want to write satire but he wanted it to /feel/ like he was writing satire-- or else maybe he wanted the satire, but the plot was more important to him.
Speaking of plot-- having a storyline instead of it being episodic just makes sense for a movie. I've always disliked how movies leave the episodicness. It works in the book, not in a movie. Especially since the book had so much satire. Movies of it are generally flat, and this one was not. The plot wasn't anything to rave about, but it was a good foil for character development, which is what it should be with these characters.
The Jabberwocky was also a good idea of a way to get a plot.

Helen Bonham Carter: I love this woman. She is such fantastic actress and she really did a fabulous job with the Red Queen. She was believable, and multidimensional, and just /fabulous/. She made for an almost loveable bad guy, which is so much more interesting and real than a hateable bad guy.

Johnny Depp: It's true. Jack Sparrow was very recognizable in this character, as well as Edward Scissorhands. I did, however, think the Scottish accent was a great addition to the character. It was really the only thing that kept me going as far as the Hatter went, I think. He was a well-written character-- brave, mad (but maybe not as mad as he comes off), and battered. The fact that we had a kind of background for him instead of just one more crazy guy in Wonderland was neat too. But Johnny Depp is Johnny Depp is Johnny Depp. You know exactly what you are getting the moment you hear his name.

Mia Something-or-Other:At the beginning of the film, I wasn't so sure about the poor tortured Alice thing-- I'm tired of angsty main characters. But as the story progressed, I got okay with it. The actress pulled off the character pretty well, and it went along with the plot-line of a girl trying to figure out who she was. She also looked the part very well. Her different outfits never changed the fact that she was very clearly Alice-- that is probably also thanks to the fabulous costume designer who I will get to in a bit.

Anne Hathaway: I disagree with the posts above on the White Queen. I thought she was really interesting. I think the fakeness was very much on purpose. Consider that she is related to the Red Queen, and her references to the Red Queen having dominion over the living (as if maybe the White Queen has dominion over the dead?) Also consider how she loved the 'buttered fingers' but she couldn't stand blood or battle? I think she is afraid that she is, at heart, very much like her sister. And maybe she is. But that's where the floaty fakeness comes from. She's putting up a front not just for others, but for herself.

The Guy Who Plays Stayne (Knave of Hearts): Did not like. Felt he delivered a couple lines poorly, wasn't impressed with his costume, didn't really understand his motivations... just didn't like it. Also, he was abnormally tall, but the way they stretched it just made it distracting. I found myself staring at him trying to decide if he was really too tall or that was just me.

Costumes and Set: Lovely lovely lovely! Everyone looks wonderful! I wasn't a huge fan of The Mad Hatter's make-up buuut it was very Burtony so I was able to just accept it. Other than that-- fantastic! The purple lightening was cool, the chessboard battlefield was AWESOME, Alice's changing dresses all fit her character and helped represent her trying on new personalities (and most of them were cute enough that I would wear them!), the red v. white was well-done, and the reflection of the Tweedles in the two girls at the engagement party was well-transferred in costume. Everything was just gorgeous except the things that were insane. And some were both.

QuestionsI did want to know some things, though.
Didn't the Cheshire cat say only evaporating people could heal those wounds? Why could the bandersnatch, then?
If you read any satire into the story, what did you see? If not, why do you think he had some things pointing at satire?
If you've read the book, did you miss the Dutchess? I did. Or do you think they sort of encompassed that in the nobles and the white queen. (The March Hare was a bit like the dutchess's cook).
What's with the Scottish Accent?
Do you think they were planning on a sequel? I felt like there was some un-wrapped-up-ness. Like... it kind of seemed like the Hatter had a thing for Alice? But maybe that's just because I had heard that before the movie came out, so I was looking for it.


Why is a raven like a writing desk? Answer: Poe wrote on both. Bahaha.
 
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I just saw the movie yesterday. I liked it a lot, but it won't go on my favorites list (yes, I'm rather picky at times).
Naturally, the Cheshire Cat is one of my favorites, and always will be. Depp was an ideal choice for the role of the Mad Hatter. Helena Bonham Carter did a fantastic job as the Red Queen. Visually, it was lovely, and plotwise it was better than some modern commercialised movies I could mention.
*hugs Cheshire Cat*
 
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The Queen of Hearts was a deck-of-cards queen in the first Alice book. The Red Queen was a chess queen in the second Alice book. Are you saying that this movie blurred and blended them into one character? That would be a GIGANTIC piece of revisionism.
 
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It seems that in very recent years, a composer named Unsuk Chin wrote an OPERA of "Alice In Wonderland;" ...
The video I watched consisted mainly of a song by an operatic baritone as The Mad Hatter; but the song was so tasteless and tuneless, that on the strength of this number, by itself, I was prepared to rename the opera "Alice In Uglinessland."
I have never heard of that, and I'm a bit of an opera buff. Who knew? Sounds awful! But think what fun a good opera of AiW would be!
Ok, so I admit it. I like the movie, but mostly because it made more emphasis on the Jabberwocky, one of my all-time favorite poems, and second, the lady playing the heroine was just too gorgeous!!:eek:
Hey, I am so glad you liked it! That's awesome!
I just saw the movie yesterday.Three words:
IT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Mad Hatter is my favorite,along with the Chesire Cat and Alice(of course!).The Red Queen is....weird,in a hilarious way,with her constant battle cry of:"Off with thier heads!"
Besides,all the actors(counting the computer-animated ones LOL)were very good,especially Helena Bonham-Carter and Johnny Depp.
Can't wait till this movie is on DVD!
Yep, yep, yep. :D

Simetra said:
Didn't the Cheshire cat say only evaporating people could heal those wounds? Why could the bandersnatch, then?
I just assumed that it was the only creature besides the evaporating people that could do it.
Simetra said:
If you read any satire into the story, what did you see? If not, why do you think he had some things pointing at satire?
I honestly did not give it any thought. Which things in particular?
Simetra said:
If you've read the book, did you miss the Dutchess? I did. Or do you think they sort of encompassed that in the nobles and the white queen. (The March Hare was a bit like the dutchess's cook).
Yah, I think he did a composite, and that leads to CF's questions below, which I had not considered since I haven't read the books in a while.
The Queen of Hearts was a deck-of-cards queen in the first Alice book. The Red Queen was a chess queen in the second Alice book. Are you saying that this movie blurred and blended them into one character? That would be a GIGANTIC piece of revisionism.
In the movie the white and red queens are both deck of card queens; I had forgotten how the originals went. But because it wasn't a movie of either original stories, I think it worked OK with the composite characters.
 
Actually in the movie the White Queen has chess piece soldiers and the Red Queen is for all purposes the Queen of Hearts with a different title.

As for the satire, the biggest thing that made me think of it was the Scottish accent. With that I could not help but think of Scotland and Ireland rebelling against England. I don't know enough about the history of hatters to know if that had something to do with it, or what the deal was, but that, along with two queens vying for one throne made me think of Elizabeth and either Mary Queen of Scots or Bloody Mary. Particularly Bloody Mary because of the sister thing and the off with their heads things, but since the White Queen was in power and the Red Queen took it from her, that's Mary Queen of Scotsish.
 
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My guess is that the hat-making profession in itself had nothing to do with rebellions and freedom fighters. Rather, there simply AREN'T MANY human male characters in the story of Alice, so if you want a human male character to involve himself in the heroine's cause, you've basically got the Mad Hatter, the White Knight, and the Carpenter.
 
Ok, in regards of my previous post in this thread, it doesn't mean that I'm watching the movie again or its a favorite or anything like that.
 
i haven't watched this movie but from what i heard, it wasn't as good as it was hyped up to be. idk but i still really want to see this movie plus i looove Johnny Depp :D he's my favorite actor
 
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