All New Harry Potter Thread post July 15, 2011

How did you like DH film, part 2?

  • LOVED IT!

    Votes: 24 66.7%
  • It was OK.

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • It wasn't good at all.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • HATED it!

    Votes: 4 11.1%

  • Total voters
    36
Interestingly, the Disney movie Sky High was thematically very similar to the Potter series. Granted, it was only one story, and a movie instead of a book, but there were many parallel ideas. The subculture of people with innate special powers, a secret school devoted to developing those powers, the ban on using those powers outside school, and many others. Sky High used the "superpower" paradigm, which is more in line with American legendary tradition, than the "wizard" paradigm, which is more European. But the use of magic in the Potter books bore far more resemblance the use of superpowers in Sky High than it did to actual incantations used by those who practice occult arts (who are very few.)

One thing I appreciated about the Potter series was the high value it placed on friendship and family. Rather unexpectedly for modern "teen" literature, it downplayed romantic relationships, rather than making them central to the plot. In fact, romance was treated as somewhat problematic (e.g. Harry and Cho) or a cause of complications (e.g. Romilda Vane's machinations). Where it showed up, as with Harry and Ginny, it played a minor and peripheral part. The bonds of friendship were a much more important theme in the story.
 
iMerge with the existing Harry Potter thread because this is chiefly a Narnia forum and we don't want to get too many threads going about different subjects. I think we try to stay with just one thread per non-Narnia series.
 
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Sorry to double post. Here are snippets from my blog on July 15, the day HP DH 2 movie came out, and July 18, the next time I posted. They show you a little bit of why I think HP is chock full of Christian symbols and allegory.

From www.jesusandjaxyworld.com

Today as I met with Jesus, my mind was more than half on Harry Potter, and I apologized to the Lord because I was only half attending what He was saying, which was ... you guessed it ... Love one another.

But when I apologized, it seemed to me Jesus was saying that’s OK, because it had been a joy to Him to see the Harry Potter message unfold and pick up steam and become a worldwide phenomenon because ... the theme of the saga is almost exactly what He was saying, Love one another.

It’s the love of Harry’s mother, who sacrifices her life for him, which endows him with special power to resist Voldemort. It’s the love Ron and Hermione have for Harry which empowers them to, eventually, leave their homes and families to go with him on his dangerous mission.

(In the best protection from Voldemort she can give them, Hermione even confounds her parents so that they forget who she is, change their names and move to Australia ... Jesus said His true disciples would be rewarded if they left their parents and possessions for love of Him — Matthew 19:29)

If you are a believer with a good background in the Scriptures and Church tradition, you can easily see the Harry Potter stories are rife with Christian symbolism. And the overarching power of love as the only good strong enough to defeat evil is front and center.

But I told Jesus, Rowling doesn’t go far enough, she doesn’t make it clear that this love isn’t just human love — mother-child love or romantic love or even the soul-tie of love between good friends. That the love we see and experience springs from His eternal love.

Here is what I sensed Jesus was saying on that score:

The Harry Potter books weren’t written for believers poised to embrace a new and closer relationship with Christ. They were written for children, and because of their global popularity, mostly for children who probably have never understood the Gospel at all.

But the books do their purpose of planting this seed — a seed of an idea that love has the power to defeat evil, and love lives beyond this life.

Imagine a child who grows up with Harry Potter then encountering the real magic of Christ’s love, imagine that door opening to a world where that powerful love can come to reside in you —

And give you courage to do brave deeds, and strength to do those deeds unnoticed and un-thanked. Where love empowers even the lesser characters in the drama — like Neville and Luna in the HP stories — to play brilliant roles in the battle of good and evil.

The Harry Potter stories prepare children for an encounter with Christ, for the apprehension of the real power of love to come alive!

***

Oops, I forgot on Friday Harry Potter is of the devil.

I ought to have apologized to any evangelical reader who thinks that the stories are evil because they are about magic. As I was considering that after Friday’s post, it occurred to me ...

When we dismiss Harry Potter as evil because there’s magic in the story — when we dismiss any fairy tale as evil because of the magic in it — we sort of throw the baby out with the bathwater, don’t we?

Particularly in the case of the Harry Potter stories, because they have such a strong message of love (and the “magic” is treated as a natural ability like being a gifted gymnast or mathematician, not as something derived from worshiping the devil or any other spirit/god).

Hope this helps!
 
Is anyone else on Pottermore yet? If so, what house are you in, and what wands do you have?

I'm in Gryffindor. My wand is Wood:Holly, Core:phoenix Feather, Flexibility: Surprisingly Swishy Length: 13 in.

Also, PM me if you want to add me as a Pottermore Friend :)
 
I haven't gotten my Pottermore email yet. But my username is AccioOwl23 - anyone can feel free to add me, though I'm not sure you can do that if you're not actually on yet.

Can't wait to get sorted!!!
 
Oh good - I was afraid maybe my email got caught in the spam filter and deleted, and I would never get in!
 
Is anyone else on Pottermore yet? If so, what house are you in, and what wands do you have?

I'm in Gryffindor. My wand is Wood:Holly, Core:phoenix Feather, Flexibility: Surprisingly Swishy Length: 13 in.

Also, PM me if you want to add me as a Pottermore Friend :)

I'm friend you, as soon as get on!

Did anyone get into the house they wanted to get in. There is a song about Pottermore, about the House. As soon as I get into my house I will buy a house t-shirt. I don't think I would mind Hufflepuff. I'll just say I'm a good finder!!

My user name is NoxEcho26 friend me soon!!
 
I'm friend you, as soon as get on!

Did anyone get into the house they wanted to get in. There is a song about Pottermore, about the House. As soon as I get into my house I will buy a house t-shirt. I don't think I would mind Hufflepuff. I'll just say I'm a good finder!!

My user name is NoxEcho26 friend me soon!!


How could you not like a Hufflepuff? They are all so....um... ah.... puffy!!
 
Unfortunately, I have never seen a deep Christian message in the Harry Potter books. On the other hand, I find a lot of the messages I do find in the books are morally disturbing and may be harmful to young, easily misguided minds and not because of the magic at all, which I find fundamentally neutral and non-spiritually disturbing, unlike say the magic in Buffy the Vampire Slayer or LJ Smith books. In the Potter books, magic isn't something you get from the "elements" or "gods" but it is inborn and seems to depend entirely on one's genes. In Buffy, there is a mythology that is steadfastly based on the existence of demons, gods (Gloria in Season 5), blood sacrifice etc. but definitely no God. LJ Smith also has her witches call on the "elements" and gods and demons as well but no One God of goodness. Magic in Harry Potter is like mutation in the X-men franchise and is not a thing of evil.

Like I said, there are other - many - aspects of the Harry Potter books I find morally disturbing
 
Unfortunately, I have never seen a deep Christian message in the Harry Potter books. On the other hand, I find a lot of the messages I do find in the books are morally disturbing and may be harmful to young, easily misguided minds and not because of the magic at all, which I find fundamentally neutral and non-spiritually disturbing, unlike say the magic in Buffy the Vampire Slayer or LJ Smith books. In the Potter books, magic isn't something you get from the "elements" or "gods" but it is inborn and seems to depend entirely on one's genes. In Buffy, there is a mythology that is steadfastly based on the existence of demons, gods (Gloria in Season 5), blood sacrifice etc. but definitely no God. LJ Smith also has her witches call on the "elements" and gods and demons as well but no One God of goodness. Magic in Harry Potter is like mutation in the X-men franchise and is not a thing of evil.

Like I said, there are other - many - aspects of the Harry Potter books I find morally disturbing


Would you like to alabarate on what exactly?
 
Oh I won't want to go into all that again. Not too long ago, the issue about morality in the Harry Potter books was discussed in the Twilight thread... It was quite an interesting discussion. Perhaps, you could just take a read at that and maybe pick up the discussion here again?
 
How could you not like a Hufflepuff? They are all so....um... ah.... puffy!!

All the jokes of them being rejects. I am a Hufflepuff. I don't mind it though(JKR is a Hufflepuff after all)

New Discussion! (actually 2..)

Narnia vs. Harry Potter: Seven Swords, Seven Horcruxes?

A Very Potter Threequel Confirmed!! Who is excited? If you don't know what A Very Potter Musical is, there is a thread, Go to my page with my threads, you'll find it there.
www.teamstarkid.com
 
I'm friend you, as soon as get on!

Did anyone get into the house they wanted to get in. There is a song about Pottermore, about the House. As soon as I get into my house I will buy a house t-shirt. I don't think I would mind Hufflepuff. I'll just say I'm a good finder!!

My user name is NoxEcho26 friend me soon!!

Your in!!! If you get a random friend request form a Gryffindor in New Zealand, that would be me....
 
Interesting, you came up when i did a search. Maybe try logging in? They could have let you in, but you haven't got your email yet? I'm in Gryffindor.

I logged in, still not letting me! I'm very confused. If there is a response back, it's the wrong person.
awesome, I have a strong feeling that I'm in Hufflepuff.
 
I saw it at last. It was a GREAT movie. Really great BUT I missed some points in it. I was kinda disappointed some things were left out which were so clear in the books. I expected the fight between Harry and Voldemort to be a bit more epical. I expected more interaction between them. Like telling him about Draco and the Elder Wand. And the house elves. I missed that part. Ron was the one who released them in the book but in the movie I saw nothing back of it.
I did like Neville his performance especially in the end when he faces Voldemort. And the great professor mcGonagall ..I LOVED her in the movie!
 
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