If the thread had been locked, you couldn't have posted that question. 
Are the Emerald Witch and the White Witch the same person.
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Actually the strongest arguement that the White Witch and Green Lady were not the same is that the Green Lady used to come into my office griping about the idiots at Harrods that kept confusing her orders with Jadis' merchandise. In particular, they don't wear the same dress size. I'll never forget the last time she came shimmying into my office, knees clamped together, to demand action. I gave her one important bit of advice...if she drops a coin while wearing that dress, DON'T BEND OVER TO PICK IT UP.
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stharrybyundeservedgrace
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According to the book...
...Prince Caspian, the old hag stated you never really kill them (witches), there is always a way to bring them back. So it is possible that the White Witch and the Lady of the Green Kirtle are one and the same. The Silver Chair leads that way.
...Prince Caspian, the old hag stated you never really kill them (witches), there is always a way to bring them back. So it is possible that the White Witch and the Lady of the Green Kirtle are one and the same. The Silver Chair leads that way.
St. Harry, you ought to read back through this thread before making posts like that. The ground you mentioned has been thoroughly covered several times. Though some *cough*WHB*cough* cling to their reincarnation theories, there really isn't a shred of evidence to indicate Lewis considered the two witches the same person. The only mention of them together indicates that he considered them different people.
~Lava~
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*pulls out PC* I don't believe that the Hag says that you cannot really kill witches. She asks if they had ever heard of a witch who really died, and then she says "You can always get them back." Back is the operative word in that statement, it indicates that she is gone (not just living underground) and they are going to use extraordinary means to get her back from the dead. By the way, one might argue that history has quite a few "witches" that died.
Does my post make sense now, Powl'?
The trouble is that there's no definite proof one way or the other. It's all conjecture, though some conjectures are, I'm sure, far more sensible than others. So there's no way to get everyone to agree.
The trouble is that there's no definite proof one way or the other. It's all conjecture, though some conjectures are, I'm sure, far more sensible than others.
So there's no way to get everyone to agree.
Animus Wyrmis
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Just an aside on characters representing other figures: even if we agree that there are correlations between Christian figures and Narnian characters doesn't mean we need a one-to-one correlation. It's completely possible that one character represents more than one archetype or figure in Christianity; it's also possible for more than one character to represent a Christian figure. So if I were going to write a Christian allegory or rewrite Christianity in a, um, fantasy world, I might have four disciple characters representing/standing in for the twelve disciples, or I might have twelve characters playing the role of Satan. I'm not saying that's what Lewis did, but he certainly may have.
Very good point. I don't know either, but it's good to keep that in mind.
Assuming that the Lady of the Green Kirtle and Tash are not the same as Jadis (or each other), any other ideas on where they came from? This is something I've puzzled over a bit . . . . (Forgive me if this has been discussed earlier in the thread; I'm afraid I haven't read all of it.
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Powl'
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well, all the bad guys represent evil, in eveystory, doesn't mean they're the same person !!! I don't know, hum ... In Harry Potter, Voldemort is a bad guy, oesn't mean is Fudge ?? Fudge is not a really nice guy, okayn this example wasn't the best but, I mean I already said The chronicles of Narnia were children books, so obviously, the bad guys like Jadis, Tash, LotGK ... are represents what children must not be like, those characters are just symbols (sp?) .
I wasted good money trying to settle the question scientifically, letting the author settle the question. But frankly Ouija boards don't work nearly as well since they started manufacturing them in China...
MRW
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Assuming that the Lady of the Green Kirtle and Tash are not the same as Jadis (or each other), any other ideas on where they came from? This is something I've puzzled over a bit . . . . (Forgive me if this has been discussed earlier in the thread; I'm afraid I haven't read all of it.
By the same token, where did the Emperor over the Sea come from?
Tash, I believe, is actually a demon, but there's nothing in Narnia to tell us where demons come from or even what they ARE. He is also the only god in Narnia to get a formal religion. I find it interesting that Lewis wrote a series with Christian overtones in which the only creature that is actually worshiped is an evil god. Not even Aslan and the Emperor are actually worshipped -- they merely recieve allegiance from the Narnians as higher royalty.
The Lady, I've always assumed came from the North, like Jadis. She was on good terms with the giants, so I've always wondered if she might have been one of Jadis' descendents -- though that's a stretch, because I can't see Jadis actually allowing herself to reproduce. She'd use her sensuality to get what she wants, sure, but I don't think she'd actually have children unless it she had some nefarious plan in mind for them.
Powl'
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I didn't know what was an oujia board actually, I only learned English two years ago,so I don't have a lot of vocabulary