Puzzle dear
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*giggles modestly*HM High King Peter said:
they called me dear...
Ending Thoughts
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they called me dear...
lamer
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The ending is second to only The Silver Chair. I can't bash the hilarity in the end of it 
But as for TLB I was spoiled by one of my friends as to the ending, but when it happened halfway through I wasn't ready for that I thought only Edmund, Lucy, and Peter were involved. But it's Dogrin(I think that's how you spell his name), Polly, Eustace and Jill as well.
I loved how they brought back the old animals in New Narnia (I know it's Heaven so they had to do it) such as the Beavers, Tumnus, Bree, Reepicheep, etc.
It was great. I want to read it again...
But as for TLB I was spoiled by one of my friends as to the ending, but when it happened halfway through I wasn't ready for that
I thought only Edmund, Lucy, and Peter were involved. But it's Dogrin(I think that's how you spell his name), Polly, Eustace and Jill as well.I loved how they brought back the old animals in New Narnia (I know it's Heaven so they had to do it) such as the Beavers, Tumnus, Bree, Reepicheep, etc.
It was great. I want to read it again...
ºººJill_Poleººº said:Even though they died...I loved the ending, it was the most lovely ending I've read in my 15 years of life
I'm going to have to agree with Jill.
Death is many times the happiest ending of all. When I think about it, death is one of the few ways I would like to end this life.
What could be better than entering a new and glorious world, better that Narnia could ever be?
-Austin
I think that the Pevensies had the entire country of Narnia as their family. They raised them as wise kings and queens, tempering justice with mercy.
There is a lot to be said for raising a family, the great joy at so many wonderful milestones you share along their path to adulthood. And yet they break your heart again and again. You watch them make wrong choices and you try to pick up the pieces. And when they get it all together you breathe a sigh of relief and thank God that you selectively remember the good times better than the bad when looking back on it all.
And sometimes they don't live to be that old. Sometimes you get cheated out of the natural order of things and you get to bury your child and have to endure that sick feeling time and time again when you drive past the cemetary that used to be just another landmark. Sometimes you change your route entirely so you won't have to see it unless you want to.
The Pevensies never had to feel that pain. I would not call them unlucky.
There is a lot to be said for raising a family, the great joy at so many wonderful milestones you share along their path to adulthood. And yet they break your heart again and again. You watch them make wrong choices and you try to pick up the pieces. And when they get it all together you breathe a sigh of relief and thank God that you selectively remember the good times better than the bad when looking back on it all.
And sometimes they don't live to be that old. Sometimes you get cheated out of the natural order of things and you get to bury your child and have to endure that sick feeling time and time again when you drive past the cemetary that used to be just another landmark. Sometimes you change your route entirely so you won't have to see it unless you want to.
The Pevensies never had to feel that pain. I would not call them unlucky.
Puzzle dear
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When I first read the book the excerpt: But for them it was only the beginning of the real story. Their adventures in Narnia and this world had only been the cover and title page. Now at last they were beginning Chapter One of a Great Story, one that goes on forever, each chapter better than the last. This paragraph made me angry! I wouldn't get to join them on their adventures anymore, and I would never get to read the Great Story or enjoy it!
lionessofgod
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I have read through about half of it, and man, IS IT GOOD OR WHAT?! That book is so awesome! I believe that what Puzzle the donkey was when he was dressed up represented the Anti-Christ, because he deceived many and even true Narnians. That was the sad part, because the Narnians gave up hope w/ Aslan after that. I wish that they would have had more hope. Sadly, NOOOOO! They just couldn't. But I believe that the ending will be awesome because the Narnians get surprised out of their socks and that they will most likely be ashamed. Ha on them!
Sadly, NOOOOO! They just couldn't. But I believe that the ending will be awesome because the Narnians get surprised out of their socks and that they will most likely be ashamed. Ha on them!
trust me, the end is great.
Susan's_Shadow
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I feel sad for susan in the end....................it made me mad. It made me feel like susan was a traitor. I guess she is.
whatever........i'm not making sense
whatever........i'm not making sense
I know what you mean, I love Susan too and it makes me sad that Lewis ended it that way. But I still think that Susan comes around in the end, as we have discussed in many threads in this forum already. The thing to keep in mind is that Lewis keeps Susan alive in England while all the others are dead. It's not like Susan has died too, and doesn't come into the New Narnia; she is still alive, and Aslan says, "Once a King or Queen of Narnia, always a King or Queen"...Susan's_Shadow said:I feel sad for susan in the end....................it made me mad. It made me feel like susan was a traitor. I guess she is.
whatever........i'm not making sense
Knight of Narnia
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I just finished Last Battle fairly recently and I was at first kind of shocked with the way that he ended it... but after taking some time to think about it, it really becomes a beautiful ending. The last paragraph about this only being the cover and the title page was simply brilliant.
Narnia's #1 fan
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lol i dunno about you, but if i ever met someone or something as great as Aslan and he said that i could go into his country of perfection and glory and live with him for eternity, i would be happy beyond comparison of anything wordly, i would forget the old world instantly and leave for the eternal world of happiness and eternal life.
The Pevensies lived a reasonably long life if you add up all their Narnian time and Terrestrial time. They met the highest possible of career goals, becoming national heroes and monarchs. They had a wonderful relationship with their Lord. They experienced adventure and saw more of life than most 80 year olds.
As they say the greatest way to live successfully is not to add years to your life but life to your years.
As they say the greatest way to live successfully is not to add years to your life but life to your years.
SailorSaturn13
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Susan's_Shadow said:I feel sad for susan in the end....................it made me mad. It made me feel like susan was a traitor. I guess she is.
whatever........i'm not making sense
She isn't, to me. She simply OUTGREW Narnia. Her talents aren't lying in simply blessing Aslan, or in ruling over animals, but in relations with people. Her powers belong to Earth, not Narnia. If she will use this power for good (and i think she will) she will come into Aslan's country.
As for betraying others, she probably just felt heraself a burden in Narnia (see "Horse and his Boy" ) If she would've been told that they are going to death she likely would join them simply to share thair fate. But to hang with them just to exchange old stories over Narnia (which since PC isn't hers anymore as all beasts she knew in LVV are dead as is her son ) isn't her thing.
Wendy didn't betray Peter by returning from Neverland. Neither did Susan.
Malacandra
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But that's the sad part. She didn't outgrow Narnia - not in the sense of becoming a responsible, reasoning adult, as if that represented an "outgrowing" of Narnia in any case. There's a strong suggestion that Narnia isn't something you outgrow, as Peter didn't, as Polly and Digory didn't either; and Susan wasn't putting on the mantle of maturity but simply settling on shallow empty-headedness. Even the considerably younger Jill Pole could see what the matter with this was, as could Polly from her truly mature perspective.
Susan made haste to get to the nylons-lipstick-invitations stage of life as quickly as possible and decided she would stay there as long as possible. There is nothing wrong with nylons, lipstick and invitations in their proper time and context, but a girl who decides several years early that there is nothing better in life than to become arm-candy for Hooray Henries and to carry on being such for as long as she can possibly get away with it - such a girl (to break this very long clause up) is not exercising any power for good at all.
Susan betrayed no-one but herself and harmed no-one but herself, but that doesn't make her story one whit the less tragic. I like to think she could and would find her way back; but the important thing would be to turn herself around, and not merely decide that all choices were equally valid and there was nothing wrong with hers. Had Narnia merely been a childish fantasy there would have been no harm in her treating it as such. But it was real. She didn't exchange childish fantasy for adult maturity and reason, but for anti-intellectual vapidity, shallowness and hedonism. Lacking one concrete argument against Narnia, she merely giggled, waved her hand and pretended it didn't exist. I pity Susan.
Susan made haste to get to the nylons-lipstick-invitations stage of life as quickly as possible and decided she would stay there as long as possible. There is nothing wrong with nylons, lipstick and invitations in their proper time and context, but a girl who decides several years early that there is nothing better in life than to become arm-candy for Hooray Henries and to carry on being such for as long as she can possibly get away with it - such a girl (to break this very long clause up) is not exercising any power for good at all.
Susan betrayed no-one but herself and harmed no-one but herself, but that doesn't make her story one whit the less tragic. I like to think she could and would find her way back; but the important thing would be to turn herself around, and not merely decide that all choices were equally valid and there was nothing wrong with hers. Had Narnia merely been a childish fantasy there would have been no harm in her treating it as such. But it was real. She didn't exchange childish fantasy for adult maturity and reason, but for anti-intellectual vapidity, shallowness and hedonism. Lacking one concrete argument against Narnia, she merely giggled, waved her hand and pretended it didn't exist. I pity Susan.
The other youths found maturity in taking responsibility, facing loss, enduring the heat of battle and the burden of leadership. Susan sought maturity in the outer trappings of adulthood. Big difference and quite a mistake in being useful to The Kingdom.
That's not to say one should not take pride in one's appearance and engage in good grooming. Only that she did not mature in the ways Aslan had planned for her.
Not to be sexist at all (READ THAT FIVE TIMES BEFORE POSTING A REPLY PLEAS)...not to be sexist AT ALL...but she was beginning to define herself as someone that would belong to a man someday, in accordance with the era's ideas on romance. Aslan had more planned for her. He got disappointed.
That's not to say one should not take pride in one's appearance and engage in good grooming. Only that she did not mature in the ways Aslan had planned for her.
Not to be sexist at all (READ THAT FIVE TIMES BEFORE POSTING A REPLY PLEAS)...not to be sexist AT ALL...but she was beginning to define herself as someone that would belong to a man someday, in accordance with the era's ideas on romance. Aslan had more planned for her. He got disappointed.
Malacandra
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Chakal said:
Why "not to be sexist"? The word gets bandied about these days as though i) sexism is a self-evident evil and ii) it should always have been recognised as such and iii) all of history should be retrofitted to the current world-view, all of which I'd consider highly debatable. On a reading of That Hideous Strength, it seems as though Ransom, the eldilia and oyersi, and Lewis himself, are thoroughly comfortable with what you might call sexism; albeit a kind of sexism that is fulfilling for women as well as men. The female members of Mr Fisher-King's household don't seem distressed at not being allowed to be men.
But another problem, I think, is that Susan had fixated on romance, courtship, dressing-up, gossip and fashion, rather than what to do next. If she'd been interested in "belonging to" a man, after the customs of the place and times, then she'd have been showing an interest in settling down and becoming a homemaker (housewife, whatever) rather than just pursuing shallow, glamorous excitement; and the other female Friends of Narnia would have been a lot happier.
Let the reader mark well Chakal's use of the words "outer trappings". That's extremely significant. Susan was willing to adopt some, and only some, of adulthood's outer trappings; as if Peter were willing to wear the crown and carry a sword and shield, but any thoughts of actually ruling Narnia with wisdom and courage never entered his head; or as if one were to agitate for the right to vote, and never bother to learn the first thing about politics. Had Susan traded childlike innocence for adult responsibility, there would be no case to answer (and not much likelihood that she would have dismissed Narnia as a children's game).
castel, it's not enough to say that Susan "made her choices" or "is living her own life". Nothing could be more probable than that she will some day have to explain to Aslan why she should have pretended that he was only a fantasy.
I think Aslan was making a strong, self confident woman out of Susan, but Susan instead chose to rely on makeup and traded The Wardrobe for a new spring wardrobe (pun intended).
God wanted her to concentrate on her INNER BEAUTY. She was a ruler, not just a queen consort but a queen regent (There's a difference, ask Elizabeth II!) and as such was supposedly above using the Ogden Nash principle...in other words as he once wrote in "Biological Reflections":
A girl whose face is covered with paint
Has an advantage with me over one who's ain't!
She was meant to be a Joan of Arc, an Elizabeth, a Catherine the Great. Instead she became just another bit of fluff looking to fill her dance card.
For her Aslan broke the glass ceiling. She had a chief executive's job with a conmensurate salary. Edmund turned in Tumnus for sweeties. In a real way Susan turned in Aslan for sweeties. I pity her decisions, and I believe she repented of them and that somewhere out there she's a 72 year old woman waiting for Aslan to breathe on her once again. But she did this to herself. You make bad decisions, you have to live with them. That's life.
God wanted her to concentrate on her INNER BEAUTY. She was a ruler, not just a queen consort but a queen regent (There's a difference, ask Elizabeth II!) and as such was supposedly above using the Ogden Nash principle...in other words as he once wrote in "Biological Reflections":
A girl whose face is covered with paint
Has an advantage with me over one who's ain't!
She was meant to be a Joan of Arc, an Elizabeth, a Catherine the Great. Instead she became just another bit of fluff looking to fill her dance card.
For her Aslan broke the glass ceiling. She had a chief executive's job with a conmensurate salary. Edmund turned in Tumnus for sweeties. In a real way Susan turned in Aslan for sweeties. I pity her decisions, and I believe she repented of them and that somewhere out there she's a 72 year old woman waiting for Aslan to breathe on her once again. But she did this to herself. You make bad decisions, you have to live with them. That's life.