Handling the changes they made to PC and their effects on Dawn Treader

Everyone has a right to an opinion, and a forum dedicated to Narnia and CS Lewis is the proper place to express it. A lot of people were unhappy with PC movie, and this is where they come to talk about it.

A lot of people loved PC movie, and this is where they come to talk about it.

It's cool.
 
I never said that those were mistakes, changes yes, but I knew they were intentional. I was talking about mistakes, like messed up make-up or the fact that most everyone who had a facial wound from the battle had it on their left hand side near the eyebrow. The fact that Caspian looked too old to be in his teens was a mistake, I doubt that they intended it.
 
The fact that Caspian looked too old to be in his teens was a mistake, I doubt that they intended it.
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I dont know if thats a problem unique to PC

Hollywood ALWAYS seems to cast teens older than they are supposed to be, just about any teenager seen on screen will be played by somebody who`s actually in their 20`s, but its rarely questioned.
 
Since they took the time to cast age appropriate children for the Pevensies, I doubt it was a mistake that they cast someone who was almost in his thirties as Prince Caspian. In the film, we have no idea how old Caspian is supposed to be and we keep stumbling against the block that an apparently grown man needs a bunch of kids and animals to fight in his power-struggle with his uncle.

No one is complaining - at least not much - about the position of facial wounds, etc. What every one has been consistently complaining about is Peter's characterization first, then the Susan/Caspian romance second, and none of these were mistakes.
 
inkspot said:
Everyone has a right to an opinion, and a forum dedicated to Narnia and CS Lewis is the proper place to express it. A lot of people were unhappy with PC movie, and this is where they come to talk about it.

A lot of people loved PC movie, and this is where they come to talk about it.

It's cool.
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Yes, exactly! People have different opinions, very different. Also on this Forum, and that's fine. :)

I don't think PC was ruined, at all. If it had been closer to the book, I would have been happier for it, yes. But I liked it.

If we should talk about mistakes, I think leaving the "Picking Marshalls" scene out was a mistake. Here Peter and Caspian connect, and it shows that Caspian wants to fight his uncle himself. But Caspian respects Peter as High King, and therefore lets Peter do the single combat! Would have been great, if we had seen this in the film!
 
In the film, we have no idea how old Caspian is supposed to be and we keep stumbling against the block that an apparently grown man needs a bunch of kids and animals to fight in his power-struggle with his uncle.

No one is complaining - at least not much - about the position of facial wounds, etc. What every one has been consistently complaining about is Peter's characterization first, then the Susan/Caspian romance second, and none of these were mistakes.
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Yes, just so. Thankfully in VDT, Caspian is supposed to be older, so that will work, and Susan doesn't come back, so that's a moot question, and Peter doesn't come back, so we don't have to worry about his going off again ...

They sort of have a clean slate, as far as I can see, to make a really good film independent of the last one! (Which for the record, I enjoyed very much as an adventure film! I just didn't think it had that much to do with Narnia.)
 
inkspot said:
Yes, just so. Thankfully in VDT, Caspian is supposed to be older, so that will work, and Susan doesn't come back, so that's a moot question, and Peter doesn't come back, so we don't have to worry about his going off again ...

They sort of have a clean slate, as far as I can see, to make a really good film independent of the last one! (Which for the record, I enjoyed very much as an adventure film! I just didn't think it had that much to do with Narnia.)
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I, also, am extremely happy that VDT is getting a tabula rasa. :)
 
I still am not going to see it until someone else comes back to report that the filmed ending does NOT have Aslan say to Edmund and Lucy, "In your world I am known as BUDDHA..."
 
Copperfox said:
I still am not going to see it until someone else comes back to report that the filmed ending does NOT have Aslan say to Edmund and Lucy, "In your world I am known as BUDDHA..."
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LOL! I will post a review right away after I see it so you're not hanging there in suspense! Actually, I bet insiders will see a preview before we see it, like ITW did with PC, and we can know based on their general reaction whether or not that's going to happen. (She couldn't tell what she saw, but she could tell how she felt about the film.)

If they wimp out and turn that into some kind of universalist theme, I'll be sad. It would be better if they cut the scene altogether although that would break my heart.
 
Agreed that people can have their own opinions Inky. Mine hasn't changed and I'll reiterate it till the end of time. That's not a bad thing. The franchise needs to know. Many others have dropped off of the forums for the films in disgust because they're the die hard Lewis fans also and can't stomach the changes so it goes both ways. It's hardly unheard of that they're still talking about their disgust issues. It will continue as long as Lewis fans can speak. We can have different opinions. Some people like the changes. That's their deal. They can talk about it on here too. If there's a place to talk about it all, it's here on a forum. It's what the place exists for.

They won't have a clean slate with me at all. I'm very wary. I've talked with Mark and he's calmed some of my fears, but in reading between the lines, I'm still wary. VDT is my favorite one and I want to see it done right. Last Battle is a close second and I want to see that one done right as well. Granted, I'm a huge fan of all of Lewis' works and I want to see justice done to them.

I very much believe that Prince Caspian was ruined. The characterization of Peter was horrid to say the least and the Susan/Caspian romance was a huge mistake that Walden will pay for from now till the end of time. The change in when Aslan showed up and how much he did was a mistake as well. The BBC only did half of PC, but they did much better at adapting it. The spirit of the characters were held to in the BBC where as in the Walden many of them were unrecognizable in character. I know that there's a phenominal animosity toward the Walden PC on many seminary campuses...not that I'm overwhelmingly shocked. The only thing that did shock me was the depth of that animosity. It surpassed my displeasure 150 fold at my seminary.

I want VDT to be good. I want them to do as well as LWW or better in the quality of the film. PC pulled the rug called "Trust" out from under me in the Narnia films. I'll wait with bated breath to see what VDT looks like. If they don't do it justice, I think the Lewis fans will do their best to make sure it's the last Narnia movie made until it can be done right. I think highly of the cast and crew and hope they can rise to the occasion. I think they can. Time will tell.
 
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For the benefit of those who are still in denial concerning the fact--not opinion, FACT--that Walden's "Prince NON-Caspian" went utterly against the spirit of Mr. Lewis' work:

"Dawn Treader" introduces the character of Cousin Eustace. When first seen, Eustace is a spoiled brat with absolutely NO good qualities at all. Yet Aslan redeems him, and makes a good boy out of him. So Eustace returns to Earth with a new heart and a new personality. When we next see Eustace, at the beginning of "Silver Chair," he has been back on Earth for months....but HAS NOT lost the virtues he acquired in the Narnian world.

Walden Media, however, wants us to believe that Peter Pevensie, who started out in "Wardrobe" already possessing a good foundation of moral integrity, could not do even AS GOOD a job of hanging on to his Narnian virtues as Eustace did.
 
Good point there, Joseph. I hadn't thought about it.

ITW, as far as a "clean slate," I meant that VDT doesn't have to be built on anything objectionable from the PC film since neither Susan nor Peter make an appearance, and Caspian himself is supposed to have aged more than Ed and Lucy.
 
Copperfox said:
For the benefit of those who are still in denial concerning the fact--not opinion, FACT--that Walden's "Prince NON-Caspian" went utterly against the spirit of Mr. Lewis' work:

"Dawn Treader" introduces the character of Cousin Eustace. When first seen, Eustace is a spoiled brat with absolutely NO good qualities at all. Yet Aslan redeems him, and makes a good boy out of him. So Eustace returns to Earth with a new heart and a new personality. When we next see Eustace, at the beginning of "Silver Chair," he has been back on Earth for months....but HAS NOT lost the virtues he acquired in the Narnian world.

Walden Media, however, wants us to believe that Peter Pevensie, who started out in "Wardrobe" already possessing a good foundation of moral integrity, could not do even AS GOOD a job of hanging on to his Narnian virtues as Eustace did.
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I might remind everyone YET AGAIN, that PC wasn't written by Disney or Walden Media. It was written by the screenwriters, and approved by Adamson and Gresham. If you're going to blame somebody for mistakes, blame the people who actually are responsible, not the people who are responsible for marketing and publicity. :mad:

Otherwise, I don't think we should worry until closer to release date. But nobody will listen because the fans are too bull-headed to accept changes outside of the book.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
I might remind everyone YET AGAIN, that PC wasn't written by Disney or Walden Media. It was written by the screenwriters, and approved by Adamson and Gresham. If you're going to blame somebody for mistakes, blame the people who actually are responsible, not the people who are responsible for marketing and publicity. :mad:

Otherwise, I don't think we should worry until closer to release date. But nobody will listen because the fans are too bull-headed to accept changes outside of the book.
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*applauds*
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
I might remind everyone YET AGAIN, that PC wasn't written by Disney or Walden Media. It was written by the screenwriters, and approved by Adamson and Gresham. If you're going to blame somebody for mistakes, blame the people who actually are responsible, not the people who are responsible for marketing and publicity. :mad:

Otherwise, I don't think we should worry until closer to release date. But nobody will listen because the fans are too bull-headed to accept changes outside of the book.
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*Totally agrees shaking head*
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
Wow, two people posting in a row who both agree with me...there's a first. :rolleyes:
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LOL! Aravis, I agree with you quite often. And I certainly agree that we must blame the scriptwriters, Adamson and even Gresham for the poor showing of Lewis' work in PC film.
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No, Aravis Kenobi, I do not just blindly reject all changes. I reject changes which do violence to the basic spirit of the story. One of Mr. Lewis' themes was that it was possible for people, though never infallible in this life, to become substantially better than they were. So it was a BAD change to claim, in the PC movie, that Peter could not even remain AS good as he had been at the start of the LWW movie.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
Wow, two people posting in a row who both agree with me...there's a first. :rolleyes:
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:D I actually agree as well!
And personally I don't think PC was bad.

I look forward to the new film, and I'm going to see it no matter what!! ;)
Doesn't matter how many changes they make. I'll make my judgement, when I've seen the FINAL result.
 
Liz said:
I look forward to the new film, and I'm going to see it no matter what!! ;)
Doesn't matter how many changes they make. I'll make my judgement, when I've seen the FINAL result.
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What I highlighted in bold is what I want from anyone and everyone going to see Dawn Treader. It's what SHOULD come from people who are expecting great things.

And Copperfox, I don't blindly accept change either, but I think y'alls griping has gone too far and too long. Get over the fact that PC wasn't made to your liking. Save your complaining for Dawn Treader.
 
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