How to develop the romance

Animus Wyrmis said:
Maybe end the film with the kids tumbling back out of the portrait (with whatever "What adventures we've had!"/"How changed Eustace is!"/"I left my diary in Narnia!" moments), and then roll credits, and then have one of those scenes after the credits for the ship returning to Narnia and RD and Caspian getting married?
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haha, good Idea - I loved that little extra scene in the LWW.

Didn't they do that 'I left my Torch/Diary back in Narnia' in PC? Oh well, with the wedding thing - don't you think Caspian should be aged up a bit or something?? I don't know, perhaps it might take place a few years after the kids leave or something - not sure how they'd (meaning the Directors&co) do that, but then it's what they get paid for I suppose.
 
in Narnian time, Dawn Treader takes place 3 years after PC; in English time, only 1. caspian would be slightly older; probably be wiser since he's been king for 3 years. The big age thing will come in handy in Silver Chair, if they end up making it.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
The non-book fans had no problem with PC...as far as I know. But, unfortunately, PC didn't meet with the same success as LWW. LWW was the #2 film of 2005, surpassing even HP. (of which I was very happy. ;) ) Several reasons why LWW was so successful:

1. Good publicity-Disney\Walden Media handled publicity for LWW well; there was a lot of advertising for the movie, along with much merchandise available everywhere, AND they pushed a film version of the book. (i.e. they released books with pictures from the movie)

2. Resources-I'm not sure who did, but there was a website (narniaresources.com) that offered resource packages for church groups and secular groups; the packages included posters, a dvd with trailers and clips, and announcement brochures.

3. Church viewings-many churches showed the trailer(s) in their services in an effort to get a group interested in going. Many church groups went to see the movie in theaters because of the Christian message(s).

4. Last, the film followed the book fairly closely without being word-for-word and boring. The effects helped too.
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Yes! I agree that this is the case! Disney tanked that second film in not allowing the fan promotion. They gave the fans a stake in everything with LWW in letting them promote the films and then tried to rip that away in PC....bad move! The Narnia Resource site was part of what helped LWW get the numbers it did.
Aravis Kenobi said:
now, the reasons PC didn't do as well:

1. Little publicity-I hardly saw any good merchandise for PC. What little I did see was moved to a obscure corner of a store two or three weeks later. I just didn't see an outpouring of merchandise or advertising for PC.

2. No resources-the resource site was discontinued. So, there were no resources available for groups interested in taking people to see it. I also think that since it was a little more adult, churches didn't feel like the message wasn't as Christian or that they couldn't take younger kids to see it.

3. Movie competition-Nobody knew Iron Man would do so well. Caspian was released after Iron man and before Indy 4. Mistake. They shouldn't have released it after Indy 4, but instead should have given the film time to run out of steam before releasing it. It may have meant a longer wait, or even a holiday release. But I daresay a holiday release would have been better.

4. Negative fans. While I see why people were upset with the changes of PC, they had no right to be critical and negative when the film hadn't been released yet. They were determined not to see it based on clips and trailers and rumors. For all they knew, all those rumors and clips could have been teasers (they weren't). I agreed with the changes...yeah maybe they could have stuck with the book a little more, but they didn't, so we need to understand that, accept it and get over it. It's already been done so we just need to drop it.

Give michael Apted and his team a chance. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because they haven't made a Narnia movie yet.

But as I've said before, we're getting way off topic here. The subject is how to develop the romance of Caspian and Ramandu's Daughter without diverting too much from the book.
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I'd agree with you up till number 4. On number 4 you have the blame in the wrong place by a long shot! It was the franchise that changed the story and made several characters virtually unrecognizable. They defaced the story. So then you want fans to accept that? Fat chance! That's not negativity that is common sense! When someone takes your favorite story and mutilates it, one is not expected to accept that, nor should they. The fans can't change it, but they can and they have let the franchise know that they better do better next time. Otherwise the fans will shut them down. It's pretty basic. What they saw in the trailers was what was in the film. It greatly upset people and rightly so. Negativity did not kill the film. The franchise messed up. It messed up big time. The problem was with the film and not the fans. Most Lewis fans don't downshift that fast. You can't put something that badly "adapted" (and I use the term very loosly) in front of fans of the classic book and expect them to not be upset. It would be like sticking moldy pizza in front of a kid and telling them to eat it and not complain. The kid would look at ya and say the same thing....As If!
Yes they have a little room to develop the Ramandu Daughter/ Caspian relationship. They could do the wedding back by Aslan's table. It would make for a fitting end I think.
 
Yeah, but negativity before the film's release? There was no way to know what was really in the movie. Often, a trailer will contain many scenes that end up not being in the movie. AND, they were basing their opinions off other people. Personally, people should see it, with a neutral attitude, THEN judge.

Otherwise, no film can do well. Or do anything at all if people judge before seeing it and knowing for sure. It's like with the new Star Trek movie; people are screaming that it's not like TOS, that it's too futuristic. But most people I've spoken to (who are Trekkers, btw) have said that it's a great movie. And even if it's not, I'm not going to be yelling because it looks to be a great film regardless of the Trek content or how they mess up the characters. Personally, the Narnia fans should do the same. Yes, there were changes that made people angry; but they're films. They're books. Sheesh. Get past the changes and look at the film from an objective POV. But I feel like everythign I say falls on deaf ears, so I quit now.

I still like the idea of doing an extra scene at the end of the credits or where they put the extra one with LWW. Although, I nearly walked out before I saw that scene with LWW...so now I make my parents sit through the credits. lol.
 
Animus Wyrmis said:
Keep in mind that LWW was based on a book that most people remember from childhood regardless of whether they knew it was a series; it was marketed as a kids'/family film (as opposed to PC, which was marketed to teens) as a holiday release, when it could easily overtake the market. It would have been difficult to beat that for PC anyway, even if they'd released it at a better time, focused more on the kids, and tried to market it as a Narnia film--the posters made a lot of people assume it was a totally new story with new characters and inappropriate for children.

But, uh, so we are off topic. Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?
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I agree about the posters. They should have shown the Pevensies much more, because those characters we knew from the first film.
I'm certain, though, that PC would have done better, if it had been released in - say - November. But still it did pretty well!!
About the wedding - I would prefer a wedding at the end. If it should be the final scene, I'm not sure. We'll have to wait and see ;)
 
"Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?"

Animus, I would like to see a scene, maybe during the beginning of the credits, where they show Caspian going back to the island. He and RD kiss, the camera closes in and then when the **** widens, they ar now at Cair Paravel, both kissing during their wedding.

I am not sure that would work before Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace go back to England--and that would be the best place to end the movie before the credits.

MrBob
 
MrBob said:
"Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?"

Animus, I would like to see a scene, maybe during the beginning of the credits, where they show Caspian going back to the island. He and RD kiss, the camera closes in and then when the **** widens, they ar now at Cair Paravel, both kissing during their wedding.

I am not sure that would work before Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace go back to England--and that would be the best place to end the movie before the credits.

MrBob
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Mr. bob, your idea with the kiss is actually very good. Then we would have both their first kiss on the island and a glimpse of the wedding in one short scene. Send it to the scriptwriters :)
But I would like to have that scene before the children return to England. Their return should be the last thing we see in the film, in my opinion. I think it would work, if it's cleverly made ;)
 
MrBob said:
"Would you rather see a wedding, or have the film end before it gets there?"

Animus, I would like to see a scene, maybe during the beginning of the credits, where they show Caspian going back to the island. He and RD kiss, the camera closes in and then when the **** widens, they ar now at Cair Paravel, both kissing during their wedding.

I am not sure that would work before Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace go back to England--and that would be the best place to end the movie before the credits.

MrBob
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That's my idea about the kiss too! :eek: That would be a good transition.

For the record, I will say that you shouldn't judge any film by its cover, especially one adapted from a book. The new Trek movie, there was a clip in the trailer that everyone was worried about (Kirk, then it cutting to Uhura stripping down) but in reality, there was nothing to be worried about! I'm harking on this, I know, but please, don't make any judgements about VDT. I'm sure it will be a good movie, and I have faith that Apted will do the story right. ;) And who knows, maybe they'll go on sites like this and read what the fans expect or want?

Of course, I guess if they did do it right after the Kids go back through the picture, they could say that it was the difference in time that allowed Caspian, RD, and the crew to return to Narnia. :p And I think that they should change up the ending a little...I know it's supposed to focus on the kids more, but we've had two films that have ended with the kids. It's going to get a little old by VDT.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
That's my idea about the kiss too! :eek: That would be a good transition.

For the record, I will say that you shouldn't judge any film by its cover, especially one adapted from a book. The new Trek movie, there was a clip in the trailer that everyone was worried about (Kirk, then it cutting to Uhura stripping down) but in reality, there was nothing to be worried about! I'm harking on this, I know, but please, don't make any judgements about VDT. I'm sure it will be a good movie, and I have faith that Apted will do the story right. ;) And who knows, maybe they'll go on sites like this and read what the fans expect or want?
Here here!!!

I've loved all the books and Movies so far - here's hoping that VDT will keep to the trend.
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First, the **** in my message is supposed to be the word "shot." My guess is that I hit the 'i' instead of the 'o'. Oops! :eek:

As for my idea for the kiss, while I would really prefer it to come before the kids make it back, I can't see how it would work. It would require going from present to future to present again. That kind of jumping around is not good for the movie.

At the same time, I want the movie to end at Eustace's house--prefereably with a comment about how Lucy has lost her shoes as I have mentioned elsewhere. The wedding scene doesn't seem good anywhere except for a credit scene. But then that also has its own problems as being somewhat separated from the movie.

MrBob
 
I'm sure the producers will think of something...they probably have thought of something that we have no idea about, lol. (and I figured you meant shot, but you accidentally had the i. Happens to everybody. :) )
 
Yes, we'll have to wait and see, how it's handled. :)
I still think the wedding shot would work,before the kids get back to England. Because it should only be a short scene. In my view, a glimpse of the wedding, no elaborated scene.
Too bad we'll have to wait so long for the film :(
 
I said it before but... why don't they use that Men in Black flashy thingy on all of us and make us forget that silly Caspian ever kissed Susan and develop the romance the way it's in the book? Wouldn't that be great? It would erase that crazy scene from PC from our heads and we will never find out.

In fact, why don't the moviemakers flashy-thinged themselves and we'll make them do a PC without the Suspian thing. That would be awesome!!!
 
BarbarianKing said:
I said it before but... why don't they use that Men in Black flashy thingy on all of us and make us forget that silly Caspian ever kissed Susan and develop the romance the way it's in the book? Wouldn't that be great? It would erase that crazy scene from PC from our heads and we will never find out.

In fact, why don't the moviemakers flashy-thinged themselves and we'll make them do a PC without the Suspian thing. That would be awesome!!!
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The Suspian thing, as you call it, doesn't bother me at all. A sweet, innocent teenage crush, in my view. And don't worry. I don't expect you to ever agree with me, on this subject anyway :D
I look forward to seeing, how they'll develop the romance in VofDT. Hope for something good :cool:
 
Liz said:
The Suspian thing, as you call it, doesn't bother me at all. A sweet, innocent teenage crush, in my view. And don't worry. I don't expect you to ever agree with me, on this subject anyway :D
I look forward to seeing, how they'll develop the romance in VofDT. Hope for something good :cool:
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I agree with you...

and unfortunately time-traveling doesn't exist. :p
 
I just think there might be a slight montage of Caspian marrying her.
I seriously do not know.

But it is obvious they will keep the hint of Aslan being Jesus in there. They remain true to the books, in a somewhat haphazard way. So, it is all good.

I recommend people to stop fussing over it all and wait for the movie. It is the best thing to do. Of course you can speculate, I just don't like to see people get all bothered by something that has yet to be made.
 
SimonW said:
I just think there might be a slight montage of Caspian marrying her.
I seriously do not know.

But it is obvious they will keep the hint of Aslan being Jesus in there. They remain true to the books, in a somewhat haphazard way. So, it is all good.

I recommend people to stop fussing over it all and wait for the movie. It is the best thing to do. Of course you can speculate, I just don't like to see people get all bothered by something that has yet to be made.
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AMEN! Finally, someone else to echo my sentiments exactly. The film hasn't been released, the script not finalized, and a trailer not done, so IMO, we should just be quiet about griping about it. ;)
 
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