Lady of the Green Kirtle

[Vanzetti]

Whoever is chosen to play Lady of the Green Kirtle, it has to be made perfectly clear to the audience that it's NOT Jadis. I'm sure they will have no problem finding someone perfect for it, as they somehow always do for these characters.

Why not? What will it change if she is Jadis?

But I`m rprobably not objective, as I`m Tilda`s fan.

 

[Josh]

The actual text from the books is open to debate on whether the LOTGK is Jadis or not. If you are taking the narrative from the books, it makes much more sense that it is here, than not. I love the interpretation where Jadis is the Lady of the Green Kirtle. It gives much more weight to her character.

It would be much easier for the filmmakers to take this interpretation as well. They've already established the character and the fact that, though she was "killed" in LWW, she is obviously still around in some form or another and is trying to reclaim Narnia. Introducing a virtually identical character with similar motives and yet establishing the difference b/w the two, all the while trying to tell the rest of the story, would be a huge headache for the creative team, not to mention confusing for the audience that has never read the books. Making Jadis the Lady of the Green Kirtle would be, as they say, Easy-Peezy-Lemon-Squeezy.

I vote for the triumphant return of Tilda!

Tilda cannot play her because, as Lana said, she is not seductress material. She is also too old. She needs to look around Rillain's age(even though she is older). She needs to be very beautiful and make it convincing that Rillain and the children would not suspect her of being the Witch.

Now about the LotGK and the White Witch being the same person. This hasnt really been revealed weather they are the same or not. If she is Jadis, she is certainly in a different form. Its possible when Jadis was killed she changed her appearance so people wouldnt say "Hey its the WHite Witch! She's back, lets go kill her!" Now there are many people who think they are different people.

I think the movie should strongly hint at them being the same person, without ever actually revealing it. It would be more interesting.
The only hint from the book that they were the same was the passage "Though under earth and throneless now I be, while I lived all Earth was Under Me!" I think mabye if they wanted to reveal that she was the same person is having the LotGK look into a mirror, and her reflection would be Tilda as Jadis.

I think Nichole Kidman should play her, if she doesnt age much by the time they film the movie.

 

[Elentari]

Tilda cannot play her because, as Lana said, she is not seductress material. She is also too old. She needs to look around Rillain's age(even though she is older). She needs to be very beautiful and make it convincing that Rillain and the children would not suspect her of being the Witch.

Now about the LotGK and the White Witch being the same person. This hasnt really been revealed weather they are the same or not. If she is Jadis, she is certainly in a different form. Its possible when Jadis was killed she changed her appearance so people wouldnt say "Hey its the WHite Witch! She's back, lets go kill her!" Now there are many people who think they are different people.

I think the movie should strongly hint at them being the same person, without ever actually revealing it. It would be more interesting.
The only hint from the book that they were the same was the passage "Though under earth and throneless now I be, while I lived all Earth was Under Me!" I think mabye if they wanted to reveal that she was the same person is having the LotGK look into a mirror, and her reflection would be Tilda as Jadis.

I think Nichole Kidman should play her, if she doesnt age much by the time they film the movie.

1. The quote "Though under earth..." is not about Jadis, it was about a giant king. Besides, "all earth" was never under Jadis realistically or figuratively.

2. Using a mirror is INCREDIBLY Disney a'la Snow White and Little Mermaid.

3. The biggest reason that TLOTGK is not and should not be Jadis is because it makes her more powerful than Lewis made her to be. Lewis makes it clear in Magician that Jadis is not and cannot be as powerful in Narnia as she was in Charn, her home world. Giving her the power to come back in a new form would be THE SAME as saying "Jadis is equal to or more powerful than Aslan since neither of them seems able to keep the other one dead".

4. People will read and see what they want to read or see, so the only way we can truly determine what is actually the case is by asking "What did C. S. Lewis say?" I firmly believe that if Lewis wanted TLOTGK to be Jadis or related to Jadis, he would have made it VERY clear. As is, there is NO evidence to support the claim that the two witches are indeed one.

 

[inkspot]

The idea of the 2 being the same was born in the BBC programs where the same actress played both, but there is nothing in the books to link them, at all.

1. The WW dies at the end of LWW. She's gone.

2. The animals in SC say they think the Green Lady may be similar to the WW in words like "one of her crew," which clearly implies it is not she, herself.

But there's no evidence in Jadis' history in LWW that she had any "crew" except for the hags and things like that which followed her, so there's really no connection between the Green Lady and the WW except that they are both bad witches.

Yah, Nicole Kidman may be too old, but I can see someone of her type doing the role. Did anyone see "To Die For" I think it was called? She was an ambitious woman trying to break into TV reporting, and her deceptively charming ways were perfect for the Green lady. Someone like that.

 

[gair]

2. The animals in SC say they think the Green Lady may be similar to the WW in words like "one of her crew," which clearly implies it is not she, herself.

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by 'one of her crew' don't they mean one of the same stock?

nah Nicole Kidman isn't evil cold beauty enough. And it would be a bit too Mrs Coulter.

 

[inkspot]

by 'one of her crew' don't they mean one of the same stock?

nah Nicole Kidman isn't evil cold beauty enough. And it would be a bit too Mrs Coulter.

Right, not her, but someone like her.

Nicole Kidman may be getting too old, but someone like her ... She needs to be young, vibrant, glowing ...

 

[gair]

Clare Danes?

she can glow.
and isn't very old.

 

[Josh]

Well I personally think the White Witch/Emerald Witch link should be left to the reader's/moviegoers imagination. If they want to hint at it they could do something along the lines of this:

Jill: There's Aslan!

Emerald Witch: Aslan? What a pretty name. What does it mean.

Eustace: He is the great lion who called us out of our own world. The one who established the Kings and Queens and defeated the White Witch.

Emerald Witch: The White Witch?

Puddleglum: She was an evil tyrant who ruled Narnia for a hundered years. Aslan killed her.

Emerald Witch: Really?(She looks down at herself).

Puddleglum: Yes, she's dead.

Emerald Witch(mutters under her breath): Not as dead as you think.

 

[~Valiant]

When I first read SC, I thought the the Green Lady WAS Jadis. (I was thinking "What the heck, she died!) But then I found out differently, and that she's NOT Jadis, so I don't think Tilda S. should play her, as good as an actress as she is. I agree that they should find someone younger so she could be seductive.

The Green Lady ISN'T Jadis, is she...?

 

[queenaravis707]

I don't think Tilda S. should play The Lady of the Green Kirtle. I would go with someone a bit younger with a sort of... mesmerizing look about her. Prince Rilian was absolutely enchanted with her beauty and so were Jill and Eustace. Tilda played a great White Witch, but I don't see her matching the qualities of The Lady Of The Green Kirtle.

 

[~Lava~]

When I read the Silver Chair, I was actually relieved to find out that the LotGK was not Jadis re-incarnated; that is definitely the impression that BBC gives by using the same (frankly very scary) actress. I don't want to have Tilda because it would a lot like the BBC version that I hated so much as a kid, an older actress (she is starting to show wrinkles) who played Jadis before she LotGK. I never thought that being "of the same kind" of witch as Jadis (a "northern witch" as further clarified by others in the story) meant that she was related or Jadis herself.

 

[AsbelMctalisker]

The trouble is, we`re not told much about the background of `The Green Witch` in the book other than that she`s another witch from the north.
That is OK if Jadis is just another witch but in `The Magicians Nephew` which was written after `The Silver Chair` it is revealed that she is from another world entirely and has been in Narnia since the beginning of that world.
Now that could mean that since Jadis fled to the north in the time of the tree she later drew some of King Frank and Queen Helen`s female decendants under her control, taught them something of what she knew and turned them in to witches.
So it could be that there is a connection of sorts between the two but an indirect one, `The Green Lady` might see herself as the heir or successor to Jadis rather than actually be her.
Though who knows, she might actually be a catspaw for Jadis to make another try at returning from the dead.
The film makers could do a lot with that idea if thats the direction they are going.

 

[gair]

they may as well install a revolving door for the white witch in that case.

 

[AsbelMctalisker]

they may as well install a revolving door for the white witch in that case.

Well they already did that by having her appear in `Prince Caspian`.
Im just guessing that they might be tempted to continue using her as a recurring personification of evil and it occurs to me that the only books that dont have a point where they could stick in a return scene are THAHB and LB.
And she`s in `The Magicians Nephew` as a major character anyway.

 

[gair]

And she`s in `The Magicians Nephew` as a major character anyway.

Tilda Swinton will be quite old by the time the Magician's nephew is filmed - assuming they do of course.
Isn't she supposed to be young and beautiful in Charn, and then Narnia weakens her?

On a side note, it's funny how illustrations can really affect your visualisation of characters. For instance, my copy of TLWW has the witch with black hair, and that is how I have always imagined her and so the White witch with her blondy brown dreads in teh film is weird. Yet at the same time my copy of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone has a picture of a very young Dumbledore, with brown hair and a pointy beard in a suit on the back, yet I always imagined him as looking rather like a skinny father christmas.

 

[inkspot]

Maybe Jadis had children in the Narnia world before Aslan killed her? Then the Green Lady might have been a descendant of hers ...

 

[Alambil and Tarvis]

When I read the Silver Chair, I was actually relieved to find out that the LotGK was not Jadis re-incarnated; that is definitely the impression that BBC gives by using the same (frankly very scary) actress. I don't want to have Tilda because it would a lot like the BBC version that I hated so much as a kid, an older actress (she is starting to show wrinkles) who played Jadis before she LotGK. I never thought that being "of the same kind" of witch as Jadis (a "northern witch" as further clarified by others in the story) meant that she was related or Jadis herself.

*Agrees*

What I think Lewis meant by the "same kind" of witch as Jadis is that the Green Lady, like Jadis, is the personifcation of evil itself. That's why she has the same motives as Jadis in wanting to conquer Narnia. I think it's best to leave her "background" alone, since it seems to me to ruin a huge part of her identity--the fact that she is vague and mysterious only enhances the idea that she and her world cannot measure up to the Truth which Puddleglum defends, a Truth that is much clearer than the lies she presents to the children, despite their being logical. The hypnotizing smoke she creates while trying to brainwash Rilian, Jill, Eustace, and Puddleglum is also evidence of this. So I think it's best to assume that she is merely evil manifesting itself in another form rather than try to delve into her "past". Hopefully whoever directs SC (it will not be Apted, apparently) thinks the same.

Edit:

What do you think of this actress? She's the sister of Tommy Knight from The Sarah Jane Adventures.
http://www.knightkids.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Knight_Kids/Yohanna_Farrell-Knight.html

 

[AsbelMctalisker]

Maybe Jadis had children in the Narnia world before Aslan killed her? Then the Green Lady might have been a descendant of hers ...

After eating the apple do you think she could even HAVE children even if she was so inclined?

In any case I doubt if after that point she was capable of feeling love, compassion or even just lust towards anything or anybody, just tormented by the memory that she once could have those feelings. She gets precisely what she wants, knowledge, power and immortality but looses everything of her remaining humanity in the process. (Yes, I know she is`nt precisely human but I think you know what I mean.)

The idea that `The Green Witch` is some sort of lesser minion who just wants to take on Jadis` mantel now that she`s not around just seems to work better if you ask me.
As for Tilda, she`s an extremely competent actress who has already been around for a good while and not just another pretty face. Of COURSE she could play Jadis again should they want her to do so and I think I remember Adamson mentioning somewhere that she was interested in coming back for `The Magicians Nephew` should they make it.

 

[whitelion_bella]

okay okay okay, maybe the discussion is getting a little off topic, how bout have Helen McCrory play greenie?

 

[AsbelMctalisker]

Dont worry about this tread going a little OT, It always happens with long threads and the whole` is the Green Lady actually Jadis` debate is an interesting one. Much better than some trollish idiots mudslinging.
Now how about Miranda Otto for Greenie anybody?