Soldier of Aslan
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I agree, however I think it could contain whisps of 'Kings and Queens' , and when Digory and Polly Discover what lays ahead on Strawberry, the theme could play.
Magician's Nephew Speculation
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Aravis Kenobi
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Well yes, but I agree with Arvan here; the Narnian theme being talked about just isn't appropriate for the creation of Narnia.
Arvan
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I think they could have the chords of Aslan's song be similar to the chords of the Narnia theme (not the main theme, the one that plays whenever Aslan enters), so that when Narnia is being created, we can have the Narnia theme enter dramatically without "fighting" Aslan's song.
Soldier of Aslan
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Yes, that's what I meant I just couldn't word it correctly. Thanks !
MrBob
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"They could always show that scene with disappearing people and the world becoming instantly desolate."
Aravis, I was just talking about showing dead bodies as a way for the viewer to understand what had happened. That is the alternative--to show everyone and all plants disappearing in an instant.
MrBob
Aravis, I was just talking about showing dead bodies as a way for the viewer to understand what had happened. That is the alternative--to show everyone and all plants disappearing in an instant.
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Aravis Kenobi
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Yes, but dead bodies weren't mentioned by Lewis. I believe Jadis tells the children as much.
Mozart the Meerkitten
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This is what Jadis tells the children about what happened to Charn after she spoke the Deplorable word:
"Then I spoke the Deplorable word. A moment later I was the only living thing beneath the sun." page 71 (of my book) in Chapter five.
The book also says that Charn had been deserted for a long time (hundreds or maybe even thousands of years) and that there is nothing at all growing in the ruins.
"Then I spoke the Deplorable word. A moment later I was the only living thing beneath the sun." page 71 (of my book) in Chapter five.
The book also says that Charn had been deserted for a long time (hundreds or maybe even thousands of years) and that there is nothing at all growing in the ruins.
tirian_son_of_erlian
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The only reason I was really confused Arvan, is because you posted the Deplorable Word musn't CREATE bodies. If by that, you mean, musn't leave any living things, then ok. But at first, it sounded to me like you were saying the Deplorable Word musn't cultivate or produce new bodies. That is why I was confused. But, I totally follow everything else.
MrBob
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"Yes, but dead bodies weren't mentioned by Lewis"
That would not be kosher for a children's book: "And as they passed the courtyard, Digory and Polly could see bodies littering the landscape. "It looks like they died where they stood" Polly said stepping over the body of a girl her age."
But stating all living things died does not mean that bacteria also died. Also, the fact that the sun of Charn was nearing its end could be the reason why there was no water or plantlife around, although it should have taken millions more years of being an uninhabitable planet before the star went nova.
MrBob
That would not be kosher for a children's book: "And as they passed the courtyard, Digory and Polly could see bodies littering the landscape. "It looks like they died where they stood" Polly said stepping over the body of a girl her age."
But stating all living things died does not mean that bacteria also died. Also, the fact that the sun of Charn was nearing its end could be the reason why there was no water or plantlife around, although it should have taken millions more years of being an uninhabitable planet before the star went nova.
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Soldier of Aslan
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Agreed, It's frowned upon to have actual death in children's stories, unless it's a quick description of a Evil villain's death. Anyone ever think that even if there was body's that a long amount of time had passed since the end of Charn and Digory and Polly's visit? I meant that's why we have Narnia time...
Arvan
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Heh, that wouldn't work in a Narnia book at all... sounds very dark.
Well, there were no ants or spiders, no moss, nothing. Jadis herself said "It had long been known to the great kings of our race that there was a word which, if spoken with the proper ceremonies, would destroy all living things except the one who spoke it." and "Then I spoke the Deplorable Word. A moment later I was the only living thing beneath the sun."
Maybe I'm getting too technical, but if fungi and such are living things, then I'd imagine they'd be killed too. One thing is for certain: when the children are in Charn, there is no sign of any living thing.
tirian_son_of_erlian
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I'm guessing, while not ignorant of bacteria and fungi, Lewis wasn't giving special attention to them when using the term LIVING THINGS.
Arvan
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Let's put it this way:
How powerful is the Deplorable Word? Powerful enough to kill everything that lives, powerful enough to destroy every living creature and transform it into nothingness?
Or is it just an especially powerful spell that kills all the people, animals, and plants in the world and leaves the millions of dead bodies behind to rot?
Which one is "kosher" for a children's movie?
How powerful is the Deplorable Word? Powerful enough to kill everything that lives, powerful enough to destroy every living creature and transform it into nothingness?
Or is it just an especially powerful spell that kills all the people, animals, and plants in the world and leaves the millions of dead bodies behind to rot?
Which one is "kosher" for a children's movie?
Aravis Kenobi
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I don't believe having bodies in the movie would be appropriate if they want to keep it at a PG rating. Plus, isn't that a little over-the-edge for Narnia and what it stands for? Personally I think this debate is rather pointless.
Soldier of Aslan
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MrBob
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Arvan, in teh book, it describes them finding "dry sticks of some sort of climbing plant which had wound itself round the pillars and helped to pull some of them down." (p 50-51 in my version).
That means that plantlife didn't just die or disappear. Had it died when the Deplorable Word was said, the vine wouldn't have been able to pull down the pillars (unless they were just poor castlekeepers).
If all life just died, then it may have been possible for bodies to last for thousands of years as there would be no bacteria to break the bodies down. But my point was just the immediate aftermath and how to show what the Deplorable Word did. However they do it, I still would love for Charn to be the first scene.
MrBob
That means that plantlife didn't just die or disappear. Had it died when the Deplorable Word was said, the vine wouldn't have been able to pull down the pillars (unless they were just poor castlekeepers).
If all life just died, then it may have been possible for bodies to last for thousands of years as there would be no bacteria to break the bodies down. But my point was just the immediate aftermath and how to show what the Deplorable Word did. However they do it, I still would love for Charn to be the first scene.
MrBob
Mozart the Meerkitten
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Well its fair to point out that there had been a war going on. Therefore, what about the things that are already dead? The Deplorable Word destroyed all living things, right? But at any rate there is no mention of bodies in the book, or bones even, for that matter.
I opened up a whole new can of worms with that first statement-question didn't I?
How about we talk about more happy things? I mean seriously, this discussion is getting rather morbid, don'tcha think?
I opened up a whole new can of worms with that first statement-question didn't I?
How about we talk about more happy things?
I mean seriously, this discussion is getting rather morbid, don'tcha think?
tirian_son_of_erlian
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Personally I find it boring. I don't think the filmakers will give it much consideration. I just think we will see Charn as a desolate place (withOUT dead bodies lying about). I don't think we'll see the use of the Deplorable Word. I'm just giving it my best guess, but I think we'll just see Charn as it is. It would make a great opening scene, I just don't see filmakers going that route.
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tirian_son_of_erlian
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^No offense to anyone, just how I feel.
Anyway, since this is the Magician's Nephew speculation thread, here's the entry for The Magician's Nephew from The C.S. Lewis Encyclopedia, one of my favorite Lewis reference books:
(1955) This tale tells of the creation of Narnia by Aslan. It also tells us about the Edwardian childhood of Professor Digory Kirke, who owned the big country house with the wardrobe in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, and how the London gas lamppost came to be in Narnia at all. Also, it speaks of the origin of the White Witch and explains the arrival of evil in Narnia-showing the evil as older than that world.
Digory and his dying mother were staying with his Uncle Anderw and Aunt Letty in London, his father being in India. The boy made friends with Polly Plummer, his neighbor, and the two were tricked into an experiment with magic rings by the uncle, a mad scientist.
At first they found themselves in the dying world of Charn, blighted by Jadis, the White Witch, whom Digory awakes from a spell, despite warnings from Polly. They are unable to leave her behind as they return to London with the aid of the rings. There Jadis wreaks havoc, until the children are able to whisk her back to The Wood Between the Worlds, but not before she had wrenched off a handle from a lamppost, intending to use it to punish those who opposed her. The trio, along with Frank, a London cabby, and his horse, and Uncle Andrew, end up in an empty world of Nothing in time to hear Aslan's creation song. At the words and music of the lion's song, mountains, trees, animals, and other creatures come into being to make Narnia and the world of which it is part. The sequence is reminiscent of passages from J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion, parts of which Lewis was familiar with in unfinished form.
Aslan gives Digory the opportunity of undoing the evil he had brought into Narnia. His task is to find a magic apple, the seed of which would produce a tree to protect the young world from Jadis for many a year. Polly joins him on the adventure, which requires journeying into the mountains of the Western Wild to find a delightful valley. In a garden there on a hilltop grew an apple tree with the magic apples. To help them, the Cabby's horse, Strawberry, renamed Fledge by Aslan, is transformed into a flying and talking horse to carry them.
Upon the children's return, Aslan allows Digory to bring back an apple from the tree that immediately sprang up from the seed. This apple restored his dying mother. C.S. Lewis's own mother, Flora Hamilton Lewis, died when he was a boy in Edwardian Belfast.
In the fecundity of new growth associated with Narnia's creation, the metal pole brought by the Witch grows into a lamppost in Lantern Waste, and a great apple tree grows from the core of the magic apple eaten by Mrs. Kirke. Later, after the great tree fell, Digory had it made into a large wardrobe, the very same wardrobe that features in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
Anyway, since this is the Magician's Nephew speculation thread, here's the entry for The Magician's Nephew from The C.S. Lewis Encyclopedia, one of my favorite Lewis reference books:
(1955) This tale tells of the creation of Narnia by Aslan. It also tells us about the Edwardian childhood of Professor Digory Kirke, who owned the big country house with the wardrobe in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, and how the London gas lamppost came to be in Narnia at all. Also, it speaks of the origin of the White Witch and explains the arrival of evil in Narnia-showing the evil as older than that world.
Digory and his dying mother were staying with his Uncle Anderw and Aunt Letty in London, his father being in India. The boy made friends with Polly Plummer, his neighbor, and the two were tricked into an experiment with magic rings by the uncle, a mad scientist.
At first they found themselves in the dying world of Charn, blighted by Jadis, the White Witch, whom Digory awakes from a spell, despite warnings from Polly. They are unable to leave her behind as they return to London with the aid of the rings. There Jadis wreaks havoc, until the children are able to whisk her back to The Wood Between the Worlds, but not before she had wrenched off a handle from a lamppost, intending to use it to punish those who opposed her. The trio, along with Frank, a London cabby, and his horse, and Uncle Andrew, end up in an empty world of Nothing in time to hear Aslan's creation song. At the words and music of the lion's song, mountains, trees, animals, and other creatures come into being to make Narnia and the world of which it is part. The sequence is reminiscent of passages from J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion, parts of which Lewis was familiar with in unfinished form.
Aslan gives Digory the opportunity of undoing the evil he had brought into Narnia. His task is to find a magic apple, the seed of which would produce a tree to protect the young world from Jadis for many a year. Polly joins him on the adventure, which requires journeying into the mountains of the Western Wild to find a delightful valley. In a garden there on a hilltop grew an apple tree with the magic apples. To help them, the Cabby's horse, Strawberry, renamed Fledge by Aslan, is transformed into a flying and talking horse to carry them.
Upon the children's return, Aslan allows Digory to bring back an apple from the tree that immediately sprang up from the seed. This apple restored his dying mother. C.S. Lewis's own mother, Flora Hamilton Lewis, died when he was a boy in Edwardian Belfast.
In the fecundity of new growth associated with Narnia's creation, the metal pole brought by the Witch grows into a lamppost in Lantern Waste, and a great apple tree grows from the core of the magic apple eaten by Mrs. Kirke. Later, after the great tree fell, Digory had it made into a large wardrobe, the very same wardrobe that features in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
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