Magician's Nephew Speculation

Well, that's not a bad idea at all. To show Jadis in her world before being placed in her dormant state would make things more interesting, as opposed to just having our first introduction of her being her sitting there on the throne when Digory awakens her. Hmm, you've got some good ideas Bob. But I get caught up in the details. Say they start that way. How would they then transition to London (after such a presumably intense scene)? I want the beginning of the story to focus on Polly and Digory's relationship and their knack for exploration.
 
How about A DIFFERENT WAY of starting with someone familiar? How about an opening view of--outer space!--with ASLAN seen walking among the stars, speaking a monologue about His intention to create a new world. He would say that this new world must never be allowed to sink SO far into evil as a certain older world He has His eyes on....and with THAT, we fade to a scene of pre-destruction Charn.
 
I would LOVE to see the desolation of Charn it would be completely spectacular! I believe someone posted the idea of how it should go, a while back, and they had a great idea, I wish I could remember who... I think it could be a very good start, similar to the opening of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, with the World War II action...
 
TheWoodBetweenTheWorlds said:
I would LOVE to see the desolation of Charn it would be completely spectacular! I believe someone posted the idea of how it should go, a while back, and they had a great idea, I wish I could remember who... I think it could be a very good start, similar to the opening of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, with the World War II action...
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It also makes be curious , what wars were going on with Britian during the turn of the century? I know America had the Spanish American war, but I can't remember anything but skirmishes in India for Britain... By Digory's age in LWW I'm assuming he must have gone to Narnia around 1890-1910 latest. Polly's outfit :
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Looks very much like those Sailor Girl suits popular during the period:
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I would love to see Charn's opening to end with smoke covering the Camera and our vision being returned to a train smoke, or Industrial smoke type sky. Britain was in their prime Industrial age if I'm not mistaken around this time.
 
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tirian_son_of_erlian said:
I get caught up in the details. Say they start that way. How would they then transition to London (after such a presumably intense scene)? I want the beginning of the story to focus on Polly and Digory's relationship and their knack for exploration.
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First, the Charn scene would be pretty quick, nice and short. Envision the transition from the Blitz to the children's evacuation, or from Caspian's ride to the Pevensies in a train station. A rough transition or rough cut-to (I can't remember the technical term).

So, I can see Jadis screaming out some word, drowned out by the noise, her arms lifted in triumph, seen at a wide angle. Then cut to a closeup of her face, smiling evilly. She turns and walks back into her Palace, and the camera turns away, looking back to the destruction and the dust blowing about in the wind. Transition to a foggy background with your title, and then have the fog broken by a cab clattering along. Insert a scene of Andrew being beastly to Digory and give us some idea of his mother's illness. Then we can get to him climbing over the Plummers' wall.
 
Arvan said:
First, the Charn scene would be pretty quick, nice and short. Envision the transition from the Blitz to the children's evacuation, or from Caspian's ride to the Pevensies in a train station. A rough transition or rough cut-to (I can't remember the technical term).

So, I can see Jadis screaming out some word, drowned out by the noise, her arms lifted in triumph, seen at a wide angle. Then cut to a closeup of her face, smiling evilly. She turns and walks back into her Palace, and the camera turns away, looking back to the destruction and the dust blowing about in the wind. Transition to a foggy background with your title, and then have the fog broken by a cab clattering along. Insert a scene of Andrew being beastly to Digory and give us some idea of his mother's illness. Then we can get to him climbing over the Plummers' wall.
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That sounds very workable, and it would set up the story very nicely...
 
"How would they then transition to London (after such a presumably intense scene)? I want the beginning of the story to focus on Polly and Digory's relationship and their knack for exploration."

I liked Arvan's description, tirian. The transition in LWW was between the company screen and the opening. The transition in PC was between Narnia and England. PC would be better to talk about and even with that, it was an OK transition for me. They went from Caspian blowing on Susan's Horn to a horn blaring at Lucy. Another way to go would be for the camera to pan out along the streets to show dead bodies (from afar) and silence, pan up to the sun and then come back down from the sun into Digory's back yard.

MrBob
 
MrBob said:
"How would they then transition to London (after such a presumably intense scene)? I want the beginning of the story to focus on Polly and Digory's relationship and their knack for exploration."

I liked Arvan's description, tirian. The transition in LWW was between the company screen and the opening. The transition in PC was between Narnia and England. PC would be better to talk about and even with that, it was an OK transition for me. They went from Caspian blowing on Susan's Horn to a horn blaring at Lucy. Another way to go would be for the camera to pan out along the streets to show dead bodies (from afar) and silence, pan up to the sun and then come back down from the sun into Digory's back yard.

MrBob
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Good Idea!
I could also see with the battle of Charn, ending and Jadis seeing her damage and going to a set of doors in the palace and shutting them, a closeup of the keyhole and-- then the camera traveling through the keyhole and into Digory's mom's room. Wait scratch that, sounds to jarring...
 
Important note to everyone: for the Deplorable Word to truly work and for Charn to look as described by Lewis, the Deplorable Word musn't create bodies. It must disintegrate them. Why? Because it kills ALL living things - including bacteria and fungi, which decompose dead matter.
 
Arvan said:
Important note to everyone: for the Deplorable Word to truly work and for Charn to look as described by Lewis, the Deplorable Word musn't create bodies. It must disintegrate them. Why? Because it kills ALL living things - including bacteria and fungi, which decompose dead matter.
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Arvan, What are you getting at? I'm afraid your two steps ahead of us :p
tirian_son_of_erlian said:
I don't follow what you're saying.
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Ditto.
 
The Deplorable Word kills everything. Everything. Now, bodies cannot decompose into nothingness unless fungus or another decomposer does so. Fungi are living things, which would most likely be killed by the Deplorable Word. So, if there's a million dead bodies lying around Charn, they'll stay there until the end of time. They won't become skeletons, they won't become dust.

In The Magician's Nephew, Lewis describes it as an empty place with no living thing. He says nothing about bodies. I think the best way to reconcile this nerdy/scientific plot hole would be to have the Deplorable Word actually destroy (disintegrate) every living thing. It's the only thing I can think of. Does this make sense?
 
Arvan said:
The Deplorable Word kills everything. Everything. Now, bodies cannot decompose into nothingness unless fungus or another decomposer does so. Fungi are living things, which would most likely be killed by the Deplorable Word. So, if there's a million dead bodies lying around Charn, they'll stay there until the end of time. They won't become skeletons, they won't become dust.

In The Magician's Nephew, Lewis describes it as an empty place with no living thing. He says nothing about bodies. I think the best way to reconcile this nerdy/scientific plot hole would be to have the Deplorable Word actually destroy (disintegrate) every living thing. It's the only thing I can think of. Does this make sense?
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Heck, I understood your shorter post at the first of this page. ;) They could always show that scene with disappearing people and the world becoming instantly desolate.

Plus the illustrations show just buildings and stones, not bodies.
 
Arvan said:
The Deplorable Word kills everything. Everything. Now, bodies cannot decompose into nothingness unless fungus or another decomposer does so. Fungi are living things, which would most likely be killed by the Deplorable Word. So, if there's a million dead bodies lying around Charn, they'll stay there until the end of time. They won't become skeletons, they won't become dust.

In The Magician's Nephew, Lewis describes it as an empty place with no living thing. He says nothing about bodies. I think the best way to reconcile this nerdy/scientific plot hole would be to have the Deplorable Word actually destroy (disintegrate) every living thing. It's the only thing I can think of. Does this make sense?
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Thats how I've always thought that it worked... Like an EMP that takes out life instead of electricity... or like a nuke.
 
Okay, as interesting as this conversation is heading, I have another proposition to bring up: the song Aslan sings to bring Narnia into existence. I was wondering, what do you think about him singing the Narnia theme heard throughout the first and second films, and sometimes during the third?

My logic is this: throughout the first half of the film, we'll have two separate themes: the theme for England, and then Charn/the White Witch's theme. Then when they enter Narnia, the first thing they hear besides their own voices is the Narnia theme. Then, as the world is still fresh with Aslan's song, the theme will recur throughout their adventures in the new land.

Thoughts?
 
You're talking about the "Herioc Theme", which is considered the main theme of CoN. But it would be hard for me to watch the Creation of Narnia while hearing the same music that plays when lots of people are dying in battles. Personally, I'd like Aslan's song to be entirely new. You know, so we don't think it's just part of the soundtrack.
 
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