Magician's Nephew Speculation

[TheWoodBetweenTheWorlds]

Another thing. How do you know that they are going to do a poor job on MN? It may be really good, I mean, they have literally just recently announced that they are going to make it. Maybe we should wait and see it before judging it...... Just a thought.

Well personally I'm not expecting a well done, close to the original story, movie because we have yet to see one in the Narnia movie franchise... And because the three movies they have done so far have all fallen short of their potential, it is easier to expect that from Magician's Nephew, than to expect it to be spectacular and very close to the book and get let down.

 

[inkspot]

Hey gang ... Just a refresher ...

1. Everyone has a right to their opinion and a right to express it here.

2. If someone says a mean thing about the movie you like, you can counter that with something good about the movie but you can't take it personally and get offended by the comment about the movie.

3. Unless you make a thread that's called, "Only good things about VDT!" then you can't get mad when someone posts something they think is a weakness about VDT, get it? Most of the threads here allow anyone to post any opinion, positive or negative.

4. If you are negative, negative, negative and someone says, "Hey, lighten up!" that is not a personal attack.

5. If you are negative, negative, negative, and someone says, "Hey lighten up, you idiot!" that is a personal attack and you can report it to the mods. Please don't just get in a spitting contest with the cantankerous person over their comment; let the mods handle it.

6. If you state your opinion about how good (or bad) something was, and someone then states their opposite opinion, they are not mad at you, and they are not attacking you, and you do not have to say, "Well you all get mad any time I defend blah blah blah." When you make statements like that, you look like a baby who wants to be a victim all the time.

7. If you get mad, or you think other people are mad at you and it offends you, you are probably too personally wound up in this stuff and you ought to reconsider what exactly you're getting out of these discussions and maybe give them up.

OK? Now, since this is a thread about TMN, if someone says, "Based on crappy VDT I don't expect much out of MN," that is a fair statement, and they are not attacking you or saying anything out of turn.

If their whole post is a tirade against VDT, then yes, it is in the wrong thread, and they should go find some other thread to complain about VDT.

Does this all make sense?

And onward we go. I liked VDT, so I have very high hopes for MN, despite I am disappointed that they are not doing SC first.

 

[TheWoodBetweenTheWorlds]

Hey gang ... Just a refresher ...

1. Everyone has a right to their opinion and a right to express it here.

2. If someone says a mean thing about the movie you like, you can counter that with something good about the movie but you can't take it personally and get offended by the comment about the movie.

3. Unless you make a thread that's called, "Only good things about VDT!" then you can't get mad when someone posts something they think is a weakness about VDT, get it? Most of the threads here allow anyone to post any opinion, positive or negative.

4. If you are negative, negative, negative and someone says, "Hey, lighten up!" that is not a personal attack.

5. If you are negative, negative, negative, and someone says, "Hey lighten up, you idiot!" that is a personal attack and you can report it to the mods. Please don't just get in a spitting contest with the cantankerous person over their comment; let the mods handle it.

6. If you state your opinion about how good (or bad) something was, and someone then states their opposite opinion, they are not mad at you, and they are not attacking you, and you do not have to say, "Well you all get mad any time I defend blah blah blah." When you make statements like that, you look like a baby who wants to be a victim all the time.

7. If you get mad, or you think other people are mad at you and it offends you, you are probably too personally wound up in this stuff and you ought to reconsider what exactly you're getting out of these discussions and maybe give them up.

OK? Now, since this is a thread about TMN, if someone says, "Based on crappy VDT I don't expect much out of MN," that is a fair statement, and they are not attacking you or saying anything out of turn.

If their whole post is a tirade against VDT, then yes, it is in the wrong thread, and they should go find some other thread to complain about VDT.

Does this all make sense?

And onward we go. I liked VDT, so I have very high hopes for MN, despite I am disappointed that they are not doing SC first.

Thanks for the refresher. I really hope my comment wasnt taken in such a negative way. I was just addressing the one section of QLTV's post and saying that I thought that the three movies so far havent been nearly as good as they could have been so I dont want to get too high of hopes for Magician's Nephew, but I would absolutely love to be wrong! Again this is just what I think and expect...

 

[inkspot]

Thanks for the refresher. I really hope my comment wasnt taken in such a negative way. I was just addressing the one section of QLTV's post and saying that I thought that the three movies so far havent been nearly as good as they could have been so I dont want to get too high of hopes for Magician's Nephew, but I would absolutely love to be wrong! Again this is just what I think and expect...

That's fine, you were fine -- the post was not directed at anyone in particular. It just seemed like people were getting their feelings hurt all over again about things that aren't really issues ... Just something to keep in mind as we post.

 

[Aravis Kenobi]

Hey gang ... Just a refresher ...

1. Everyone has a right to their opinion and a right to express it here.

2. If someone says a mean thing about the movie you like, you can counter that with something good about the movie but you can't take it personally and get offended by the comment about the movie.

3. Unless you make a thread that's called, "Only good things about VDT!" then you can't get mad when someone posts something they think is a weakness about VDT, get it? Most of the threads here allow anyone to post any opinion, positive or negative.

4. If you are negative, negative, negative and someone says, "Hey, lighten up!" that is not a personal attack.

5. If you are negative, negative, negative, and someone says, "Hey lighten up, you idiot!" that is a personal attack and you can report it to the mods. Please don't just get in a spitting contest with the cantankerous person over their comment; let the mods handle it.

6. If you state your opinion about how good (or bad) something was, and someone then states their opposite opinion, they are not mad at you, and they are not attacking you, and you do not have to say, "Well you all get mad any time I defend blah blah blah." When you make statements like that, you look like a baby who wants to be a victim all the time.

7. If you get mad, or you think other people are mad at you and it offends you, you are probably too personally wound up in this stuff and you ought to reconsider what exactly you're getting out of these discussions and maybe give them up.

OK? Now, since this is a thread about TMN, if someone says, "Based on crappy VDT I don't expect much out of MN," that is a fair statement, and they are not attacking you or saying anything out of turn.

If their whole post is a tirade against VDT, then yes, it is in the wrong thread, and they should go find some other thread to complain about VDT.

Does this all make sense?

And onward we go. I liked VDT, so I have very high hopes for MN, despite I am disappointed that they are not doing SC first.

Well, I agree. And in response to QLTV, HighQueenKaty's post wasn't just directed at me, it was directed at every book fan who loves the books but isn't happy with the movies. What I said was NOT attacking her personally, but rather what she said to me and to others. She pitied us for our personal opinions, which also equals condescension, and she doesn't seem to realize that there are people on this forum who do. not. like. the movies. Period. If someone tells me they pity me for my opinion, I get a little more than offended. I'm insulted. Why? Because it should be understood that on ANY forum with a variety of members, there will be opinions that disagree with yours.

NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY, is trying to attack people who defend the movies. You love the movies? Fine, that's YOUR opinion, not mine. I hate VDT for its flaws, and that's MY opinion, not yours and not anyone else's opinion. If someone wants me to lighten up about something, they won't pity my opinion OR what I have to say about something. Pity, sympathy, whatever you want to call it doesn't really have a place when you're debating ideas and opinions. Oh, and like inkspot said, you can't tell people to create a thread for only negative or only positive things. I told someone that once, and was repeatedly told that it's not how things work on a forum. If you don't like someone's posts, add 'em to your ignore list or just flat out ignore their posts.

And as inkspot said, I know TMN will be bad because of the flaws of PC and VDT combined. Let me pose this question to everyone who will repeatedly ask me how it'll be bad: if you've touched a hot burner and you've been burned, why don't you touch it again? If it's a different burner, on a different stove, why wouldn't you trust that it won't hurt you again? Answer me those questions, and you'll have a good answer as to why I believe TMN will be in the same vein as PC and VDT.

On that same note, if any of my posts have been complete "tirades" against VDT, then I am in the wrong in those cases. But otherwise? My speculation about TMN is that it'll flop. Speculation is assumption, speculation is discussion. The end.

 

[QueenLucyTheValient]

sorry. I have been stressed with all sorts of things that have been happening, such as School, our Remodel (I hate the constant banging. Can't take it much longer!!), I miss my dad a lot (he died 4 years ago of adrenal cancer) and then there are some things that I am not allowed to go into for privacy reasons. So I come on here to unwind and relax, and then see a lot of negative comments and just automatically want to defend it, and get people to stop doing it. I know, thats wrong, and people have a right to their own opinions, so I will try to stop.

I admit it, I get way to into discussions, sometimes because I feel as if I am the only one with my opinion, and so feel the need to justify it. I guess I have a tendency to get defensive of myself and my opinions, because I get ridicule from some of my peers about my likes, dislikes, and so-forth, and feel the need to justify it to them, and then I come oh here, and think, "Oh, someone might have my opinion on here, and I might as well verbalize it!" But when I do verbalize it, I get the same thing that I get from my peers. Ridicule.

I for one am an avid book fan, I just feel that the movies are very good movies. I have loved the books since before I could read, and have read them about a million times since learning to read. I loved the BBC movies when I was little, and still admire them for sticking so close to the books. I just think that the new movies are very good movies, and are my favorite movies. I do like the books a lot, I know that they are better than the movies (most of the time, there were some changes to PC that I actually thought worked better than in the book. I mean, how would it look if Susan and Lucy were having the time of their life with Aslan while there brother could die at any minute while in a duel. ). I just feel that the movies stayed very close to the book, for what they had to live up to. Yea, the movie would have been better had they stuck closer to the book, but the movies (by themselves especially) are excellent.

To me, it did not seem like HQK was trying to pity you for your opinion, but rather trying to say "Hey, lighten up!" I guess that was not how it was taken though.

I really feel like crying right now.

 

[Soldier of Aslan]

sorry. I have been stressed with all sorts of things that have been happening, such as School, our Remodel (I hate the constant banging. Can't take it much longer!!), I miss my dad a lot (he died 4 years ago of adrenal cancer) and then there are some things that I am not allowed to go into for privacy reasons. So I come on here to unwind and relax, and then see a lot of negative comments and just automatically want to defend it, and get people to stop doing it. I know, thats wrong, and people have a right to their own opinions, so I will try to stop.

I admit it, I get way to into discussions, sometimes because I feel as if I am the only one with my opinion, and so feel the need to justify it. I guess I have a tendency to get defensive of myself and my opinions, because I get ridicule from some of my peers about my likes, dislikes, and so-forth, and feel the need to justify it to them, and then I come oh here, and think, "Oh, someone might have my opinion on here, and I might as well verbalize it!" But when I do verbalize it, I get the same thing that I get from my peers. Ridicule.

I for one am an avid book fan, I just feel that the movies are very good movies. I have loved the books since before I could read, and have read them about a million times since learning to read. I loved the BBC movies when I was little, and still admire them for sticking so close to the books. I just think that the new movies are very good movies, and are my favorite movies. I do like the books a lot, I know that they are better than the movies (most of the time, there were some changes to PC that I actually thought worked better than in the book. I mean, how would it look if Susan and Lucy were having the time of their life with Aslan while there brother could die at any minute while in a duel. ). I just feel that the movies stayed very close to the book, for what they had to live up to. Yea, the movie would have been better had they stuck closer to the book, but the movies (by themselves especially) are excellent.

To me, it did not seem like HQK was trying to pity you for your opinion, but rather trying to say "Hey, lighten up!" I guess that was not how it was taken though.

I really feel like crying right now.

Aw don't cry! *hands cup of tea*

I admit too I could get a bit defensive about the films as well. I'm a book purest, however I knew that the films had a good chance of being different (What movie adaptation is EXACTLY like the book any how?). I never meant to step on toes, and I believe I may have ruffled AK's feathers *Passes AK cup of tea as well* Sorry AK.

 

[Aravis Kenobi]

I know full well that films made from books will be different. I don't mind that at all because sometimes the changes are good for the film, but not actual story changes. Peter Jackson changed some things in LotR, but he didn't change the story itself. He never re-wrote Tolkien's Lord of the Rings; Apted did (and to some extent, so did Adamson). There's a movie coming out on Hallmark called The Shunning, a movie based on a Beverly Lewis novel. I've read the novel (though a long time ago), and I know that the movie will probably be entirely different from the book (I can assume this because of Michael Landon, Jr.'s past history with the Love Comes Soflty adaptations, which were honestly horrible).

Now i really hope that I'm wrong with TMN. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong and made to eat my words. But I've been burned before with VDT, and I just can't resign myself to believe that TMN will be any different.

 

[TheWoodBetweenTheWorlds]

I know full well that films made from books will be different. I don't mind that at all because sometimes the changes are good for the film, but not actual story changes. Peter Jackson changed some things in LotR, but he didn't change the story itself. He never re-wrote Tolkien's Lord of the Rings; Apted did (and to some extent, so did Adamson). There's a movie coming out on Hallmark called The Shunning, a movie based on a Beverly Lewis novel. I've read the novel (though a long time ago), and I know that the movie will probably be entirely different from the book (I can assume this because of Michael Landon, Jr.'s past history with the Love Comes Soflty adaptations, which were honestly horrible).

Now i really hope that I'm wrong with TMN. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong and made to eat my words. But I've been burned before with VDT, and I just can't resign myself to believe that TMN will be any different.

That's how I've been feeling about this. I think I said before that I thought that the Voyage of the Dawn Treader would be amazing and accurate and more mature because FOX was making it but from what I experienced in the theater when I saw it, it struck me as quite the opposite, and it is most definitely not easy to shake a first impression, especially a negative one. I realize now that I wasn't very smart to get hyped up about it in the first place because honestly its better to start with low expectations and be pleasantly surprised than to expect something wonderful and get bitterly disappointed. I want SOOOOOO badly for the Magician's Nephew to be the story it is in the book, but I honestly expect a VERY different one. :/

 

[MrBob]

OK, to lighten up this thread, I found a great video of a guinea pig that would be perfect for MN. Heck, if they want to have talking rabbits, there is one here, too.

Fun video

MrBob

 

[MissReepicheep]

OK, to lighten up this thread, I found a great video of a guinea pig that would be perfect for MN. Heck, if they want to have talking rabbits, there is one here, too.

Fun video

MrBob

Nice.

I'm sorry, QLTV, for contributing to your frustration.

 

[Benisse]

OK, to lighten up this thread, I found a great video of a guinea pig that would be perfect for MN. Heck, if they want to have talking rabbits, there is one here, too.

Fun video

MrBob

The part about the mouse at the end made me laugh

Here are two pictures from the C.S. Lewis Nature Reserve behind the Kilns (his home where he wrote the Chronicles). I think the mood here would be perfect for the Woods between the Worlds... [photos from <http://www.sacred-destinations.com/england/oxford-c-s-lewis.htm>]

 

[~Aravis~]

Okay so... I was wondering something. Why in the world are they making the Magician's Nephew next? I mean, I'd be fine with it... but isn't Will Poulter gonna be too old to play Eustace by the time they get around to doing the Silver Chair if they make MN first? That's my main concern... :/

 

[Aravis Kenobi]

Because of the monetary success with LWW, they figure a prequel to LWW will bring back fans. They don't realize that a quality film with a good adaptation foundation will bring the fans back, not a prequel. Silly filmmakers.

 

[MissReepicheep]

Because of the monetary success with LWW, they figure a prequel to LWW will bring back fans. They don't realize that a quality film with a good adaptation foundation will bring the fans back, not a prequel. Silly filmmakers.

They have a valid point with the statistics of how the books sell. And yes, a good adaptation foundation will bring the fans back. Here's to hoping that they'll follow through with that.

Wow, I can't believe it... I'm being an OPTIMIST for once.

 

[MrBob]

"Why in the world are they making the Magician's Nephew next?"

Aravis, my guess is that they have a love afair with Tilda Swinton. She was in the past two even though her character wasn't in the books. They seem to be making all possible movies with her in it first.

I would actually want Tilda to reprise her role as Jadis. They can make her look younger. I hope they make her have slightly darker skin before she eats the apple and then go pale after eating it.

MrBob

 

[Captain Craig]

Because of the monetary success with LWW, they figure a prequel to LWW will bring back fans. They don't realize that a quality film with a good adaptation foundation will bring the fans back, not a prequel. Silly filmmakers.

They have a valid point with the statistics of how the books sell. And yes, a good adaptation foundation will bring the fans back. Here's to hoping that they'll follow through with that.

Wow, I can't believe it... I'm being an OPTIMIST for once.

True and in the case of franchises with a fanbase doing a prequel has proven to be a winner. Star Wars is it's own beast and opinions on quality aside reenergized and created a bigger fandom. LOTR is getting The Hobbit(filming started just recently). Even smaller sagas like Underworld saw enough success doing a prequel(Rise of the Lycans) that it was able to entice the main star(Kate Beckinsale) back for another entry. Underworld 4:New Dawn has been filming for a month now.

Now that said I would prefer The Silver Chair mainly cause the tweens involved will do nothing but mature and change, perhaps too much so to resemble the characters they should if TSC were done in the next 1-2yrs.
Doing TMN could be done later and keep the Tilda tie, afterall, she is going to appear about the same 2-4rs from now. I don't say that to sound ageist it's just an observation about puberty on the kids vs Tilda as an adult.

 

[Alambil and Tarvis]

Okay so... I was wondering something. Why in the world are they making the Magician's Nephew next? I mean, I'd be fine with it... but isn't Will Poulter gonna be too old to play Eustace by the time they get around to doing the Silver Chair if they make MN first? That's my main concern... :/

SEE THIS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!!

WILL IS 18!!

Considering how long it'll take for them to make MN, he'll be what? 20? by the time they START TALKING about SC let alone film. I'm really very ticked at Walden Media right now. Luckily they're still negotiating with Fox and Mr. Gresham so hopefully someone with a brain will bring this up

Plus, can MN as a movie stand up against The Hobbit Pt. 2? Because that's when they're thinking of releasing it, and I can tell you once that movie comes out everything at the box office is going to be blown out of the water regardless of how good it is. Personally I think SC has a stronger chance--IMO MN is the slowest of the books and the most difficult to adapt to film

 

[Soldier of Aslan]

SEE THIS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!!

WILL IS 18!!

Considering how long it'll take for them to make MN, he'll be what? 20? by the time they START TALKING about SC let alone film. I'm really very ticked at Walden Media right now. Luckily they're still negotiating with Fox and Mr. Gresham so hopefully someone with a brain will bring this up

Plus, can MN as a movie stand up against The Hobbit Pt. 2? Because that's when they're thinking of releasing it, and I can tell you once that movie comes out everything at the box office is going to be blown out of the water regardless of how good it is. Personally I think SC has a stronger chance--IMO MN is the slowest of the books and the most difficult to adapt to film

Probably because the following:
-Should SC be next MN wouldn't get made until around 2016. Who is going to remember the LWW enough to care? THey have to do it while the audience is still fresh.
-Doing MN after SC would mean that it would go against The Hobbit part 2, which also has to do with magical rings. So not only would it be overshadowed by Hobbit but it would seem a bit of a rip off to those unfamiliar to the books.
- Will may be on that border of getting to his 20s, but Movie magic works. Most of the cast of High School Musical was old enough to drink, but all look like high schoolers. Will looks to me like he's 13-14 in VDT. By the time SC comes then he should look 16-18.

 

[Mozart the Meerkitten]

-Doing MN after SC would mean that it would go against The Hobbit part 2, which also has to do with magical rings. So not only would it be overshadowed by Hobbit but it would seem a bit of a rip off to those unfamiliar to the books.

But isn't that what they're going to do anyway? From what I've gathered MN and the Hobbit part 2 are going to be releasing in the same timeframe (at least in the same year...) and, I'm sorry, but the Narnia movies (except LWW and parts of VODT) ain't got nothing on LOTR, reputation wise or fan wise.