Narnia movie already doomed for failure? Aslan to be female???

[~Lava~]

Why did I feel this was inevitable? We waited 15 years for the next instalment of Narnia. 90% of the audience for a Narnia movie are fans of the books and CS Lewis and Netflix is shutting their primary audience out for one that isn't there. Even though Walden Media didn't stick to the books at least they nailed the characters. I didn't even mind an old Prince Caspian. If we get pass the 3 episodes Gerwig is slated to produce without the series being cancelled it will be a miracle.

They nailed the casting but they did Peter dirty in Prince Caspian

 

[Sven-El]

They nailed the casting but they did Peter dirty in Prince Caspian

-Although, between you me, and the digital wall, what they are even thinking about doing with Aslan makes Peter of the Walden/Disney Prince Caspian look like Steve Rogers/Captain America in the MCU in comparison.

 

[~Lava~]

-Although, between you me, and the digital wall, what they are even thinking about doing with Aslan makes Peter of the Walden/Disney Prince Caspian look like Steve Rogers/Captain America in the MCU in comparison.

that is quite true

 

[wonderings]

Why did I feel this was inevitable? We waited 15 years for the next instalment of Narnia. 90% of the audience for a Narnia movie are fans of the books and CS Lewis and Netflix is shutting their primary audience out for one that isn't there. Even though Walden Media didn't stick to the books at least they nailed the characters. I didn't even mind an old Prince Caspian. If we get pass the 3 episodes Gerwig is slated to produce without the series being cancelled it will be a miracle.

I don't think they nailed the characters, at least the majority. Eustace was perfectly cast in my opinion and the only memorable once. I personally am not waiting for a movie as I know the movie will never touch the books. It is a lazy way to enjoy the story but it is not fulfilling at all. Like eating a rice wafer when you are hungry. It will give you something but will never fully satisfy. In this day and age of immediacy, stop, take a breath and read a book. It is a thanksgiving dinner with all the fixings and some you never even imagined.

While they don't care about fans, they do care about two other things: making and losing money. You are right in saying they don't seem to learn the lessons, but at some point a studio can only make so many flops before it can't stay a float. Look at Disney. I saw a headline that they've already hit pause on a number of live action remakes after Snow White, including Tangled.

No one intentionally sets out t make a bad movie that will fail. Well, unless you're Max Bialystock and Leo Bloom in Mel Brooks The Producers were they set out to make the biggest bomb possible so they can take the tax write off in cancelling the production. Hopefully...this is not a Bialystock and Bloom scenario.

Its hardly just here on NarniaFans. Narnia Web it's the same thing ( I'd estimate it's even stronger....mods had to censor a comment in the forum). Scowering Screenrant, Deadline, et all, comments on this news are also overwhelmingly negative and not just from fans of the books, but casual movie goers who are tired of arbitrarily swapping characters. This leaves them with at least a stunning 1 % in favor, which is not what you want for a major motion picture.

And the "original source" for the reporting, Nexus Point News? 100% negative comments.

They already are going against the current by choosing Magician's Nephew, a lesser known book in the mythology, with those same casual fans wondering why they are starting there, and now they have this going against it.


Again, we are just spectulating at this point, but, if I were to guess, I would not consider it out of the realm of possibility that someone from the CS Lewis Company leaked it in order to gauge the fan reactions and then go back to, say producers, or casting directors, or even Gerwig and say, "Look, this is a really bad idea. We gauged the fans and they are overwhelmingly opposed to it." Studio execs think in terms of numbers and charts, and thus, it's not always enough for, say The CS Lewis company, to put it's foot down .Sometimes they need some stats o back it up.

Now, why Nexus Point news, and not say, us or Narnia Web? Again, if I were to guess, if I were with the company, I would probably choose a neutral publication as opposed to a Narnia or CS Lewis oriented one. You can already tell which way the fans would go with Narnia and CSL. Some other site can give you a much stronger sampling.

Again, just my theory .We have no idea what is actually going on, and again this is just the "In Talks" phase.

It sure seems like they are intentionally making bad movies because they view "the message" as being more important. I have asked this question over and over again, why are they making movies they know will flop? All I can think of is a bunch of already insanely wealthy people are pushing this narrative and the book keepers are just incredibly slow or not loud enough to drown out the voices pushing the identity politics. How many movies were predicted to be flops simply by the fans on YouTube based on their thumbs down vote of a trailer and were flops? I would say all of them. I can't think of one that was mass predicted by the fans to be. a failures and then was a huge success. The studios do not think they are creating flops, they really think they are creating what their echo chamber wants. And then when they do fail, the fans are bashed for being sexist, racist, and a whole host of other nasty things. Hollywood is a degenerate corrupt machine and you can't expect real positives to come out of that. Again thankfully the books are unchanging and where the real beauty is.

 

[Benisse]

I appreciate your starting this thread, Spectre!
This is like an April Fool joke that has morphed into a nightmare

 

[~Lava~]

I appreciate your starting this thread, Spectre!
This is like an April Fool joke that has morphed into a nightmare

I was very much so hoping it was one but alas

 

[Sven-El]

I appreciate your starting this thread, Spectre!
This is like an April Fool joke that has morphed into a nightmare

I was very much so hoping it was one but alas

Forget a nightmare....it feels like the franchise is sailing through the Dark Island of Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and the captain has decided it's a good idea to ram the ship into the iceberg from Titanic. And instead of a string quartet playing the hymn "Nearer My God To Thee" we have to listen to Taylor Swift's "Shake it Off"

 

[~Lava~]

Forget a nightmare....it feels like the franchise is sailing through the Dark Island of Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and the captain has decided it's a good idea to ram the ship into the iceberg from Titanic. And instead of a string quartet playing the hymn "Nearer My God To Thee" we have to listen to Taylor Swift's "Shake it Off"

That is an amazing analogy. I can picture it

 

[Specter]

Studios do not really care about the fans, and so far they have not been learning their lessons as they keep taking flop after flop. Amazon did the same thing with Rings of Power, they even fired their guy they. brought on to consult on lore. Complete disregard for the story and the author. Hundreds of millions wasted and they are still going on and spending more. Fan reaction to the trailers and PR stuff they did before was negative. Same goes for so many more, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, etc. Fans are called toxic, racists and other horrible things for caring about the story that is being perverted and destroyed.

I can see them going with a male lion with a female voice. As we all know gender is a choice, men can get pregnant and give birth and we can't even define what is a woman. So why not have a female voice for Aslan?

One example of the studios listening to fans: Sonic the Hedgehog.

They had to re-design the character (and not just Sonic, but any other character that looked like him), and then re-animate and re-render all of the shots they had already finished. And they did it, and now they're starting on Sonic the Hedgehog 4.

As far as Rings of Power, I hadn't heard the consultant was fired, but I will say, that project is a hard one for me to say anything bad about yet. First, I haven't watched it all yet, but I plan to, just haven't had time yet to watch season 2. Second, they are between a rock and a hardplace with that, and it is not their fault. They wanted to create a series based on Tolkien's writing. They had acquired the rights to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. No other rights were available because of the Tolkien Estate. They decided a compelling part of the story would be to tell the story of the creation of the Rings of Power, and Sauron's rise to power. They could use stuff that was referenced in The Lord of the Rings and Hobbit books. They could NOT use anything in The Silmarillion. So, as they are writing their 50 hour show, they have to be sure that they do NOT even accidentally write anything that is too similar to anything on the pages of The Silmarillion. If they do, they are violating the fact that they don't have rights to that book (or any of the other published works by Tolkien). So fans who have read those books will inevitably be disappointed because it doesn't follow those. And we blame the producers and writers of this show, when the true source of blame lies with the Tolkien Estate. If they had given them the rights to the whole of Tolkien's writings, they could have jumped into it and done the adaptation that you can tell they wanted to do.

 

[wonderings]

One example of the studios listening to fans: Sonic the Hedgehog.

They had to re-design the character (and not just Sonic, but any other character that looked like him), and then re-animate and re-render all of the shots they had already finished. And they did it, and now they're starting on Sonic the Hedgehog 4.

As far as Rings of Power, I hadn't heard the consultant was fired, but I will say, that project is a hard one for me to say anything bad about yet. First, I haven't watched it all yet, but I plan to, just haven't had time yet to watch season 2. Second, they are between a rock and a hardplace with that, and it is not their fault. They wanted to create a series based on Tolkien's writing. They had acquired the rights to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. No other rights were available because of the Tolkien Estate. They decided a compelling part of the story would be to tell the story of the creation of the Rings of Power, and Sauron's rise to power. They could use stuff that was referenced in The Lord of the Rings and Hobbit books. They could NOT use anything in The Silmarillion. So, as they are writing their 50 hour show, they have to be sure that they do NOT even accidentally write anything that is too similar to anything on the pages of The Silmarillion. If they do, they are violating the fact that they don't have rights to that book (or any of the other published works by Tolkien). So fans who have read those books will inevitably be disappointed because it doesn't follow those. And we blame the producers and writers of this show, when the true source of blame lies with the Tolkien Estate. If they had given them the rights to the whole of Tolkien's writings, they could have jumped into it and done the adaptation that you can tell they wanted to do.

Tolkien Foundation aside, the studio knew what they were buying and they did it. I won't accept crap story telling and blame it on someone else because they chose to put out garbage. The estate does not owe Amazon or any other studio the rights to anything, they chose what to sell for whatever reason and are laughing all the way to the bank whileTolkien himself would be furious with what Amazon did and that is not just my personal view. Tolkien was very clear and succinct:

“The canons of narrative in any medium cannot be wholly different; and the failure of poor films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.”

Amazon has played identity politics and changed characters, the geography and the history of Middle Earth. This in my mind would be having a new movie for The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe (Have to get some Narnia in here somehow!) and instead of Peter being the High King and eldest and leader of the 4 you would have Susan who girl bossed it up, was High Queen who her brothers and sister followed and obeyed, meek as they were looking for her to save them with her bow and horn that did not bring help but simply struck fear into the heart of her many and vast enemies. Amazon wanted to make a big show for something they basically did not have the rights to. They have Gandalf, or as he is labeled by a critic I really enjoy "Not-Gandalf". They have no rights to Gandalf so they make some horrible origin story for him and don't name him to get around it. I personally will not put myself through garbage simply because it bares some fleeting resemblance of something I love. The same goes with Narnia, my love is for the books, no movie will ever compare and while I can enjoy a good adaptation as long as it is true to the original content.