Original Pevensie's In Future Narnia Movies

I have decided you are kind of crazy. Have you not read the books?!? I'd sugest reading them again. For one thing they are told in Omnisent point of veiw so Susan telling them would NOT work. I'd like to point out Lewis didn't want the books made into movies and now I think I understand why.

Ps. No ofense.

PPs. I'm again going to say I'm glad some people on here are not in charge of making the Narnia movies.... Also As far as I can tell they are doing the movies IN THE ORDER LEWIS WROTE THEM, that means they'll probably do them in this order:
Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, Prince Caspian, Voyage of the Dawn Treader, Silver Chair, Horse and His Boy, Magicians Nephew and The Last Battle.

Note experesed in this post are opions of a 12 year old and you do not have to take them seriously.

And thats all I have to say.

The flaw in your argument is that despite the fact that they are told in the omniscient view, they are also written just like an elder telling a story to a group of children, which is how the series began! Lewis often addresses his readers in a fashion that basically says, you've heard the tale of so-and-so, but you might be interested in hearing this other tale which relates to it... as in-
"That was the beginning of all the comings and going between Narnia and our world, which you can read of in other books" - Magician's Nephew, last page
and-
"-it has been told in another book called The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe how they had a remarkable adventure"- Prince Caspian, first page
and I'm pretty sure I remember someone in the stories telling the tale of The Horse and His Boy at another point in the Chronicles, indicating that it was well known in folklore of Narnia, as were most of the other stories, as indicated by Trilian in the last chapter of the Last Battle, when he states, "If I have read the chronicles aright"

Hence, the idea that Susan could pass on the stories, just as she had heard them before in Narnia, and allowing herself to add on the parts that she may have heard from Professor Kirke. I don't know if you've seen Balto, but the image I get in my head is one of a wise person beginning the story, and then letting the story take it's own way, until you bring it back to the little girl who's like, "wow, did that really happen grandma?"- and yes, maybe it happened like that, but the truth also had a depth to it that no one can know or explain in words, which is why the story Susan begins acts as a springboard into the full omniscient movie version. I don't envision Susan narrating, like the grandpa from the Princess Bride, throughout the story.
When I said I have an idea for how it could work, I meant that I have a full idea of how exactly to craft that beginning... I'm trying to finish writing it down now, and I plan on posting it in the fanfiction section eventually...
The books are being made into movies, whether you mind or not- wouldn't you like some say in how they are being made? And considering what these movies have done for people who had never discovered Narnia prior to their release? I don't think literature should be hoarded, and I love that movies give those who otherwise wouldn't be interested in reading (like my own twelve year old brother) a chance to get a taste of the real thing, so they can choose to devour the feast!
 
The books are being made into movies, whether you mind or not- wouldn't you like some say in how they are being made? And considering what these movies have done for people who had never discovered Narnia prior to their release?
I'd like to say that I know what its done for people making them into movies... Because I'm one of the people you mentioned 'who had never discovered Narnia prior to their release'. I also don't mind the books being made into movies.
And I don't even remeber what the argument I was having before was about, and don't want to. :D
 
The books are being made into movies, whether you mind or not- wouldn't you like some say in how they are being made? And considering what these movies have done for people who had never discovered Narnia prior to their release?
I'd like to say that I know what its done for people making them into movies... Because I'm one of the people you mentioned 'who had never discovered Narnia prior to their release'. I also don't mind the books being made into movies.
And I don't even remeber what the argument I was having before was about, and don't want to. :D

Ah, I see now- I got distracted halfway through writing that post by a gigantic cockroach in my bathroom which neither me nor any of my friends were able to kill... thank goodness my friend's boyfriend happened to be visiting, or I'm not sure I could even be in my room still...
You mentioned that you understood why C.S. Lewis didn't want the books made into movies, which I mistook for you minding that they were. My bad :eek: I'm sorry.
I'm glad that the movies were able to assist you in finding your way to Narnia. I chanced upon Horse and His Boy in fourth grade, five years after giving up on being able to read Magician's Nephew (I'm almost positive I shoved it under the entertainment center in my frustration... I was five, maybe six, and I had gotten halfway through before I gave up! I remember finding it under there before we moved), realized I had four others in the series hidden in my closet, got the rest for Christmas and it's been love ever since. The movies gave me a reason to begin reading them again, and for that I will always be grateful. :)
 
Hey, maybe Mew has a point. This could explain the PC movie! It was just Susan's elaboration of what actually happened. And then when they get to the kiss between Susan and Caspian, the scene stops and we go to Susan telling the story to her eight-year-old twins (boy and girl). They stop her and tell her that kising is gros and to get past that part quickly.

MrBob
 
let me preface this by saying i have 20 years experience in the entertainment industry as actor, critic, writer, director, producer. Im not offended in any way by comments on here about my ideas, we are all passionate about narnia.. ... im just thinking creatively how to market a movie with no drawcard, to a public with no knowledge of it. MN is the only story without characters from another story (except aslan and jadis) and any way the story can be linked back to lww, specifically the pevensies would be a major drawcard on the movie trailer. but i already changed my mind about MN being introduced by susan as it is nothing to do with her really. however, the main pevensie in horse and his boy is susan and it is her story, and aravis and cors (and the horses) so for her to introduce it as telling the beginning (but not narrating - uck) and then bookending it, would give the movie a stronger opening structure and introduction to people with no concept of it. i already stated in another post about how the start of PC movie was badly written because it started with caspian, NOT the pevensies waiting at the train. in order to get bums on seats to a movie, the trailer has to draw them by something familiar plus something new. then to engage them at the start it should reconnect with any old characters to put the viewer straight back into the story, because of our emotional connection to the protagonist (main character). so i ask you, how should they market horse and his boy then? ta-dah, heres a story about two kids you dont know and never heard about in narnia and put up with their story till you get half way through and finally reconnect with old friends (pevensies). that wont work.
 
Aha! The ideas and arguments caught and tangled up in my head have been liberated, liberated, liberated! because now I know the technical terms for the pieces I knew how to describe, but couldn't accurately describe (Words are my greatest ally, and my worst foe). Thank you Cor!!!

My argument for Susan being able to tell the story of the Magician's Nephew would have to be that she and her siblings were caught up, in LLW, in a war between the two forces that are introduced in MN- The forces of the Lion, and Good, and the forces of the Witch, and Evil. I don't think of Susan sitting down and telling any other story but LLW first, but we've already heard that story- so MN could begin as an answer to a question asked about LLW

Or, another creative drawcard (*wriggles happily at her new word like an excited puppy with a new bone*) could be, as I believe was suggested earlier by someone else, the idea of Digory and Polly telling the story to the Pevensies (minus Susan), Eustace and Jill before dinner ;) and that would fit in with a timeline that releases MN before Last Battle, as it really should be.
But (here's where my own ideas come in), to leave it on a cliffhanger, imagine this- at the end of the tale of the Magician's Nephew, they get up and put the food on the table, sit down to eat, and suddenly, there appears in the room the figure of King Tirian. The dinner this begins as is really the actual dinner from the middle of the Last Battle. No words would be spoken, I don't think, and maybe we'd only see Tirian's figure from behind, so that the shock would be evident on all their faces, though not the full reason why... then in Last Battle nothing is really given away- only that Narnia has called to them once more. (In this particular case, I see the beginning of Last Battle as a flurry of activity on the parts of the seven, shots of the train and train station, Peter and Edmund digging and getting the box, but all with no explanation, and then Jill and Eustace could have a brief conversation about being excited to go back, and the scene goes dark with no indication that anything is wrong, and the scene reopens on Tirian and Jewel, and the adventure in Narnia begins for real)

To draw Susan in, have an argument between her and Peter (with the other four younger ones as semi-silent witnesses or sidelines participants) before she goes off to a party and the rest of them join Digory and Polly for the evening that ends with Tirian's appearance. That would set the stage for what they tell Tirian about Queen Susan at the end.
Then, you end the movie with Susan at the funeral- but the memories are there, and they want out, and somehow that comes across, so that you know that there is more to the story, and it has yet to be told- Cue HHB, a tale hearkening back to the Golden age, bookended by Susan's rediscovery of Narnia, and her passing on the faith through her stories

I think the second option is growing on me, despite the fact that I've already written an idea for Magician's Nephew centered around Susan (link's in my signature if anyone is interested). I think I will have to add this idea to my collection, some other day when I don't have two very hard tests looming in the near future- :( :eek:
 
wow. that is such an intelligently thought out idea. LOVE LOVE LOVE the concept of MN being introduced by new characters polly and digory TO THE AUDIENCES BELOVED CHARACTERS the pevensies and jill and eustace (who audiences will be familiar with by then). and to have that be the dinner at the last battle IS TRULY INSPIRED. and the cliffhanger... wow you've really done your homework. i may have to read the books in that order to see if it will work.. SC, MN, LB, HHB. not sure though if audiences would want to see another story AFTER the last battle.. although they are making the hobbit now.. and thats a prequel to lord of the rings.. so yeah it may be sellable. especially AS IT WAS THE GOLDEN AGE OF NARNIA. audiences might be really sad thats narnias destroyed in LB and actually returning to narnia at the height of its "fame", could be a MAJOR DRAWCARD for viewers. also to see what becomes of susan. im really impressed at how you've managed to tie in these books together to create more continuity.
 
The books are being made into movies, whether you mind or not- wouldn't you like some say in how they are being made? And considering what these movies have done for people who had never discovered Narnia prior to their release?

I'd like to say that I know what its done for people making them into movies... Because I'm one of the people you mentioned 'who had never discovered Narnia prior to their release'. I also don't mind the books being made into movies.
And I don't even remeber what the argument I was having before was about, and don't want to. :D
I want to mention that we fans don't get a say in how things are done for the films. The franchise made it abundantly clear, especially with Prince Caspian, that they didn't care at all what the fans thought or what they wanted/didn't want. What we do on this site is discuss everything in a respectful manner where we attack ideas and not people. We can talk about Narnia here. But, even if the filmmakers read the threads on these sites, it won't really impact the films. If you want to look at an example of this, take the Caspian/Susan kiss for example. About 98% of the fanbase on all Narnia sites were against it. They let it be known loud and clear 4 months before the film's release when it could have been edited out. Yet, it wasn't. No one cared what the fans thought. Doug even said at one point that they were not going to listen to the fans because it made for "too many cooks in the kitchen." I see his point, but when 98% of the fan base speaks, it is wise to listen. They didn't. We got the message loud and clear.

Do keep in mind that the films are only being made as long as they bring in money...and lots of it. If they do as well, or in the ballpark of what LWW did, they'll continue to be made. If not, the franchise will end.

I would think that The Last Battle would need to be the last film. I don't think any films would do well if they were released after that, especially with Susan's fate. They'd see her in Calormene and be quite sad at already knowing her fate.
 
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I don't wanna be off topic, but I didn't know where to put it.
I'm sure you all know the scene from LWW, where the Pevensies look older. They had to find actors that looked like Georgie, Skandar, Anna and Will, but in a grown-up look. But what if they re-make that scene with the original actors? Since they are much older now, a new version of this scene would be welcome.
I mean, it would be just like Star Wars VI. They changed one scene after the release of the episode III
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Tell me what you think of this idea ;)
 
I'm not entirely sure what you're meaning. The current children will be plenty old by the time Last Battle rolls around, especially since the Pevensies are older, but not adults.
 
the trailer has to draw them by something familiar plus something new. then to engage them at the start it should reconnect with any old characters to put the viewer straight back into the story, because of our emotional connection to the protagonist (main character). so i ask you, how should they market horse and his boy then? ta-dah, heres a story about two kids you dont know and never heard about in narnia and put up with their story till you get half way through and finally reconnect with old friends (pevensies). that wont work.

Yes that is true, most people assosiate their interest in Characters they already know and care about. It reminds me of when ever there is a Oz adaptation they always shoehorn Dorothy Gale (yes she appears in 39 of 40 Oz books, but most are cameos) as a main character and include the Wicked Witch of the West as the villian (in the books she is only mentioned once after the first book, the main villian of the Oz series being the Gnome King). People haven't read the Oz books, or if they have it is typically The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. The 1939 MGM movie has become so dominate in the public's eye that all Oz things are compared to it (despite that the MGM film is little like the Oz series). The same for Oz goes for Narnia. While more people have read Narnia than Oz, It is still not enough to get butts in seats. Half the people I know forgot PC existed as a film, LWW being the dominate thought. People are so use to Harry Potter type films, where one set of characters cover several films. They expect the same for Narnia. The safe thing to do , IMO, is include the Pevenslies in a harmless fashion (bookending would be nice, or more WWII London scenes that do with other characters) until possibly the audience accepts another couple of main characters.
My argument for Susan being able to tell the story of the Magician's Nephew would have to be that she and her siblings were caught up, in LLW...
Oh nice!!! I love this! To bad you couldn't write your own script to give Walden an Idea...
 
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