Revelation Paralleled with The Last Battle.

It's only foolish if they are presented with clear proof that Aslan (in the sense I've explained) IS Jesus, and then they stubbornly DON'T WANT it to be so.

Even then, as I said once in an essay, there is a "not-do-evil" motivation for people to resist Aslan being Jesus, BESIDES the blasphemy concern I posted about here. Non-Christians may feel that Aslan being Incarnate God makes Him less heroic. If He is omnipotent and so cannot ever be really defeated no matter what, it seems that He is not bravely taking risks. Actually, they feel the same way about Jesus AS Jesus: that if He was God and so KNEW He would be resurrected, His facing the Cross was less heroic.

Confronting this objection to Aslan, which is really an objection to the gospel itself, I try to explain that the real sacrifice of Jesus, reflected in His alternate identity as Aslan, still is heroic, because HE DIDN'T HAVE TO go through with it. "He could have called ten thousand angels // To destroy the world and set Him free..." Many human acts of self-sacrifice are done upon impulse--a virtuous impulse, yet still one that leaves no time to reconsider. But Jesus had literally all of Eternity Past to see His atoning death coming closer, and closer, and closer, and closer; so He had to maintain His courageous resolve ALL THROUGH His earthly life.
 
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Copperfox said:
It's only foolish if they are presented with clear proof that Aslan (in the sense I've explained) IS Jesus, and then they stubbornly DON'T WANT it to be so.

Even then, as I said once in an essay, there is a "not-do-evil" motivation for people to resist Aslan being Jesus, BESIDES the blasphemy concern I posted about here. Non-Christians may feel that Aslan being Incarnate God makes Him less heroic. If He is omnipotent and so cannot ever be really defeated no matter what, it seems that He is not bravely taking risks. Actually, they feel the same way about Jesus AS Jesus: that if He was God and so KNEW He would be resurrected, His facing the Cross was less heroic.

Confronting this objection to Aslan, which is really an objection to the gospel itself, I try to explain that the real sacrifice of Jesus, reflected in His alternate identity as Aslan, still is heroic, because HE DIDN'T HAVE TO go through with it. "He could have called ten thousand angels // To destroy the world and set Him free..." Many human acts of self-sacrifice are done upon impulse--a virtuous impulse, yet still one that leaves no time to reconsider. But Jesus had literally all of Eternity Past to see His atoning death coming closer, and closer, and closer, and closer; so He had to maintain His courageous resolve ALL THROUGH His earthly life.
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That is a powerful way of looking at it and I agree with you. What also bothers me is when people who find wrong kind of symbolism in Narnia. Some have stated that in the LB when Susan is mentioned that she likes waring lipstick, that that was a symbol that she was sexually active. I grow sick when I read things like this, because I know C.S. Lewis never ment for it to be interpruted that way.
 
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I like Lewis' depiction of Revelation because it is quite clear and simple -- whereas the Book of Revelation in the Bible is full of symbolism and poetry which cannot be reduced to a simple story such as TLB. I find the timelines and charts and 7 years of this and that which some folks bring to the "end times" to be sort of simple and straight when juxtaposed with the amazing imagery and deep symbolism of Revelation -- but picking out some parts and creating a simple story as Lewis did was genius.
 
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That is a powerful way of looking at it and I agree with you. What also bothers me is when people who find wrong kind of symbolism in Narnia. Some have stated that in the LB when Susan is mentioned that she likes waring lipstick, that that was a symbol that she was sexually active. I grow sick when I read things like this, because I know C.S. Lewis never ment for it to be interpruted that way.
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i also find that 'susan's fate misinterpreted' disturbing. it is clear that those people who critically criticized lewis just because of susan cannot extract the deeper meanings of "she likes nothing nowadays except nylons...". they think that lewis is sexist or something. :mad:

all right back to the topic. the part when the creatures went through the stable door, some creatures looked at aslan and loved him went inside the stable, to aslan's right, while some creatures looked upon aslan with hatred went to the other way, to aslan's left and ceased to be talking animals. it is similar to the part when Jesus (or is it God?) will call upon his followers, the 'sheeps', to come with him to eternity and those who are against him, the 'goats', will not come with him. i'm not sure if this are the exact words or if it is in revelation, but it is something like that. :confused:
 
I've heard that before, however I don't think It's in Revelation. Although there is prophecy/fotelling of the last days not only in the Book of Revelation but also in the books of Daniel, Isaiah, Zacheriah, Exekial, Matthew 24, Joel 3 and etc. It's very likely you are quoting from one of them.
 
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I've always thought that Emperor-Beyond-Eastern-Sea was symbolic Jehovah, Aslan obviously symbolic of Christ and The Deep Magic symbolic of the Holy Spirit. To me C.S. Lewis put the Trinity in the CON, so why wouldn't he put the unholy trinity in the Last Battle? Afterall Lewis has put Biblical allgories and symbolism through all of the Chronicles of Narnia books.
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Actually it would probably be the Deeper Magic for the Holy Spirit. The Deep Magic would be more of the Old Tetstament Law ( a traitor belongs to the witch...)
Actually I've never noticed an explicit parallel to the HS. hmm, live nad learn!
Any rate the unholy trinity could be, Tash, Shift and then Ginger the cat ( who helps promote the lies of Tash).

And if you think about it it would work . Shift claims to be a human, and as well all know only Son fo Adam or a daughter of Eve ( a human) can rule over Narnia. The Antichrist would claim to be CHrist, the only one who could rule over Earth. An ape and a human may both be of the same family fo animals but they arent' the same species.

Aslan is a lion- Ginger is a cat again a cat and a Lion are the same family ( felinus) but not the same Genus or species ( Panthera Leo for the Lion and Felis Catus). Only a Lion can free Narnia.

OK, I'm pretty much basing these ideas of Platonic forms, but Lewis did have several such ideas weaved into his stories. Perahps to form his unholy trinity he used the lower forms of those who would rule Narnia, Aslan the Lion and the humans.
 
The Holy Spirit can be found in the Chronicles: Aslan's Breath. Notice how His Breath has extraordinary powers? It turns stone into living flesh, imparts power and strength, and is a gift to those who receive it.
 
Thanks! It's funny I've read it so many times I missed that connection. That's the true beauty of the stoires. You can read them again and again and there will always be bits and pieces you'll pick up along the way that you never saw before.
 
Just like the Bible, you can read the same verse or book over and over and each time you find another piece that speaks to you in your life or that jumps out to you. :)
 
It's kind of like with Jesus's parabels. I always loved hearing thsoe stories He told when I was little even though I didn't get the message of them early on. You may not get the point at first because you're so busy hearing one great story from a fine storyteller to notice what he may be trying to say. To bad so few writers now a days are to focused on agendas and trying to hit you over the head with their points to do what Lewis ( and Tolkien too) clearly learned from the Master Himself.
 
when i was younger this used to be my least favorite book..but now it's my favorite. before, it just seemed dark and sad to me...but .. really... the book is pure power!! it makes such an extreme statement. you read all the books and then it ends with THE end.....it shows how how you can live your life and make your choices...but in the end it all comes down to the final goal. susan wouldn't make it back to narnia, Susan had just lost her WHOLE ENTIRE FAMILY in one day...because of her pride, he appearance and such...she won't make it back to narnia..however, if she were there with her family..she would stil be with them in narnia...all the others, the narnians, everyone...they all made their decission...they all faced God's/Aslans wrath.

i don't know what they are going to do with the movie since they are trying to take the christian theme from the movies now (from what i read..and seems appearant from watching PC) but this book is huge. it has so much power. ahh i'm getting excited just talking about it! lol
 
I know we all get to decide what we think Susan's fate would have been, but in one of his letters t a young fan, Lewis indicated he thought she would, indeed, return to Narnia, or to Aslan's country as it were.
 
ah. well that would be cool..but materialism is a big deal to God...well..since the rest of her life is left open to the imaginator..i will pretend that she REPENTS after hearing about the death of her family and starts focusing more on finding Aslan in her world. :D...anywho...i jsut hope the movie for this stays real darn close .. because it's an important one :D
 
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The Holy Spirit can be found in the Chronicles: Aslan's Breath. Notice how His Breath has extraordinary powers? It turns stone into living flesh, imparts power and strength, and is a gift to those who receive it.
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I caught on to that when first I really read the series a few years ago.I LOVED it. It was such comforting imagery to me, and I positively longed for Aslan to breathe on me. I recall weeping at the thought of it.

Also, when I was confirmed in March, I had a lovely sense of God/Aslan breathing on me.
 
And on the whole Susan returning or not:

Once a King or Queen of Narnia, always a King or Queen of Narnia.

Had CS Lewis said to the inquirer that she did not return "to her senses" as it were, and to Narnia, he would have been contradicting himself.

Edmund was redeemed and he repented and reformed. So also, with Susan.
 
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I caught on to that when first I really read the series a few years ago.I LOVED it. It was such comforting imagery to me, and I positively longed for Aslan to breathe on me. I recall weeping at the thought of it.

Also, when I was confirmed in March, I had a lovely sense of God/Aslan breathing on me.
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It makes one wonder if once Susan dies if she will get to go to True Narnia? Provided of course she began to believe again in Narnia and Aslan.
 
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