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Which Captain is best/your favorite?

  • Kirk, ToS

    Votes: 16 44.4%

  • Picard, TNG

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Sisko, DS9

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Janeway, Voyager

    Votes: 4 11.1%

  • Archer, Enterprise

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Other - state who in your post

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    36
^Everyone seems to agree that Cumberbatch was the bright spot in the film. That is about the only thing I want to see (that and Karl Urban).


I've also got a question: since there is a Star Wars thread in the Other Fantasy Worlds forum, shouldn't this thread be there as well?
 
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^ Yeah... it probably should. I just went into that forum and was like, "where'd the Star Trek thread go? Did I accidentally post in the Star Wars section?" :D
 
I went to see Into Darkness today but I was so late I missed the intro before the title screen, the part with the primitive civilization. At first I didn't think much of it, but after seeing the film, I am willing to guess that was probably the best part of it!:(
 
Sometimes, wikipedia will post detailed entries about films. I know the Star Trek wiki (memory-alpha.org) details each of their episodes. Might check there to find out what happened.
 
I thought that Into Darkness wasn't bad, but it could've been better.

The storyline wasn't great compared with the first new Star Trek movie, but I definitely thought that Benedict Cumberbatch was awesome as the bad guy. (That was the main reason I wanted to see this movie, because I had come from seeing the Sherlock series with Benedict Cumberbatch, and I kinda wanted to see him as a bad guy. :D)

Overall, I think I liked the first new Star Trek better, but this one was good in its own light.
 
Well. I finally finished DS9 this morning. I have to just say that not only do I hate series finales, I hate goodbyes! I cried constantly during the last 20 minutes of the finale.

I also hated season 7. I understand that Terry Farrell wanted to leave the show, but I didn't like Ezri. At all. She annoyed me and she was a very poor substitute for Jadzia.
 
*read some of the former posts in this thread* *is beginning to think she's one of the only people who liked Into Darkness*

And before I go any further, I would like to say this: I have seen only a few of the original Star Trek episodes but I have seen the 2nd, 3rd and 4th original movies. I've seen a number of Next Generation episodes and some from Voyager, but my favorite of the Star Trek shows is Enterprise. I also enjoyed the first alternate universe/remake Star Trek.

*rest of post contains spoliers for the new movie*

That being said I liked Into Darkness quite a lot. It was fast paced and sometimes hard to catch all the details but I thought it was well put together and well made. Some parts were predictable and rather corny, but the originals had that too. It was also clever, interesting, exciting and had really good characters. And yes, I liked Benedict Cumberbatch (or crazy insane evil Sherlock, as I sometimes refer to him.:p) he was a good villain. My mom and I agree though that the real villain was the evil admiral who either used everyone else to his own devices or made them victims. Or both.
Overall I thought the plot, characters, villains, humor and action combined made a film that if not surpassed then at least equaled the first one. I certainly liked it better than the 2nd and 3rd original Star Trek movies and original episodes.
I also nearly smacked my mom when she laughed as Kirk was dying. I DON'T CARE HOW PREDICTABLE IT IS, YOU DON'T LAUGH AT THE DEATH OF A MAIN CHARACTER!:eek::p:rolleyes:
 
So, I'm going to put myself in hot water here by saying that, based on the word of mouth from two Trekkies (one long time, the other more of a newbie), I've decided again that Abrams is an idiot. The film, from what I was told, is a total rip off of Wrath of Khan (1982) and even had some of the EXACT SAME dialogue.

If you can't even be original enough to come up with your own concept and your own dialogue...why call it a new film? It's not: all it is is a very sorry remake of a campy classic. Also, while Cumberbatch might be a good actor, it was wrong of Abrams to cast a WHITE actor in a role that is clearly ETHNIC (meaning, non-white). Now, before anyone says, "well, Ricardo Montalban wasn't Indian: he was hispanic", yes, I know that. However, Montalban was also an ETHNIC actor and Hispanic is a heck of a lot closer to Indian than a white person is.

I'm sorry. Nobody can ever convince me, however you put it, that Abrams is the person to be handling Trek. He never even watched it, and has said he doesn't even like it. He certainly won't be getting any of my money as long as he's in charge of this franchise. No sirree. Money hog, is what he is. Right up there along with George Lucas. 'Cept Lucas doesn't ignore the fans quite as blatantly.:rolleyes:
 
Wow, now I am more curious than ever to see it. I practically have "Space Seed" memorized, along with "Wrath of Kahn," because I am such a HUGE Ricardo Montalban fan! If it is the same story in the new film, I will be very surprised! But I have to get my husband to take me to the movies! Today is his birthday so we are doing what he wants and NOT seeing Star Trek Into Darkness, dang it!
 
inkspot said:
Wow, now I am more curious than ever to see it. I practically have "Space Seed" memorized, along with "Wrath of Kahn," because I am such a HUGE Ricardo Montalban fan! If it is the same story in the new film, I will be very surprised! But I have to get my husband to take me to the movies! Today is his birthday so we are doing what he wants and NOT seeing Star Trek Into Darkness, dang it!
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The only reason I will see it on Netflix is just to see how terrible it is. I just...no. Just no. I'm sorry, but true Trekkies need to see that Abrams is trampling ALL OVER Roddenberry's work, and he has NO respect for what's been done before him. He's very arrogant to think that he can just randomly create a new timeline/canon. But, unfortunately, all these people keep giving him their money. All I have to say to them are, since he's in charge of Star Wars 7, do NOT complain about how he destroyed the universe/characters/timeline/canon. I will photocopy your Trek posts and remind you just how much you loved his handiwork. :rolleyes:


Anyway. Still working through TOS. I'm kinda sad that I went through all the other series (except the animated one; I can't stand the episodes because they're so ridiculous!) because TOS wasn't exactly set in stone and had a lot of continuity errors and was still trying to figure out what it was. I took the other series for granted, except for maybe Enterprise, since all the other series had the benefit of TOS being out for 20-30 years before coming on air. But it is rather interesting to see the REAL canon and timeline being established through TOS.
 
I love ToS cuz I grew up with it and have seen a lot of the episodes many time. Season One is the worst; the characters hadn't come into their own, and no one was paying attention to things like continuity. The rest get better, I think, but yes, you are right. They didn't think through how the series might go on for years to come without tripping over its history ... They were creating it on the fly, as it were, with little thought about its becoming the foundation for a sci-fi empire. I love it though. Do you read the Star Trek books? They try to fill in the gaps a lot, about the everyday workings of Star Fleet and the Prime Directive and such.

I still want to see Into Darkness! I hope I get to cinema before it departs. If it is really the Kahn story, I want to see what they've done with it.
 
Well...I guess continuity as a whole isn't really existent in any of the series, but the later ones I can kind of forgive. Maybe because there was a little more thought put into them. ;)

I've read 5-6 books: a trilogy focusing on the relationship between Kirk and Gary Mitchell (pre, post, and during "Where No Man Has Gone Before"), the books in which Capt. Janeway died (I forget if I actually read the trilogy or just the last two books; I was so upset by what happened I'm pretty sure I didn't read the first book), and a Next Gen/TOS crossover book: I forget what it was called. Unification or something. I think it may have been loosely based off the TNG episodes "Unification" in which the original Spock showed up. I don't even remember the plot of the book really, just that it involved Spock and Romulans.

If I had a job and the ability to, I would probably subscribe to Amazon Prime since they let you rent books, but I don't want to buy a book like Trek. There tends to be some language in the books and I only really read them once anyway. I'd like to get more into the book side of both Trek and Star Wars.
 
I agree with you, it's not worth it to buy the Trek books because you only read them once; sometimes I used to get them used for cheap. They are nice if you're at a place where you want to know the plot and be assured of a happy ending -- for the most part, with the ToS books. I wonder if anyone is writing books for the new time-line characters.

My husband has agreed to go to the movies this weekend! I plan to see Into Darkness tomorrow, yay!
 
inkspot said:
I agree with you, it's not worth it to buy the Trek books because you only read them once; sometimes I used to get them used for cheap. They are nice if you're at a place where you want to know the plot and be assured of a happy ending -- for the most part, with the ToS books. I wonder if anyone is writing books for the new time-line characters.
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Thankfully, the Kirk trilogy and the Unification book came from my brother-in-law, so they were all free. The Voyager books I bought, but at Hastings where the price wasn't too bad. I should really look into Amazon Prime though. I hate buying books only to end up reading them once. Waste of my money, I think! And my public library is so small they have maybe one Trek book in the entire collection.
 
Loved it!

** Into Darkness Spoilers Ahead **​

OK, I am a Trekkie, and I loved the new movie! I am a huge Kahn fan, and I still loved it. I agree with Aravis K that they should have made Kahn an Indian/Sikh like he was supposed to be ToS, but the actor they had playing Kahn was very good even though he was Caucasian. (Just as latino Ricardo Montalban was a great Kahn in Space Seed and Wrath of Kahn.)

I just love this new time-line, so we can have the old characters on new adventures. To me it is a great way to refresh the series, so I had no heartache with this re-imagining of what might happen with Kahn in this new more frightened Federation.

I am really loving the new actors, and Quinto (is that right?) as Spock was a standout; this was really his time to shine, and he did. (The actor is an outspoken Christian btw.) The switcheroo scene where Kirk has sacrificed himself to save the ship from Kahn, and Spock was on the other side of the glass -- I can't tell you how I loved that! I have seen "Wrath of Kahn" about a billion times, and seeing how they reversed the action and preserved some of the dialog ... it was beautiful. I was in tears. And Spock's shocking "Kaaaaaaahhhhnnnn!" moment was wonderful. Campy, funny, and just right, IMHO.

His fight with Kahn on those flying machines over the city was wonderful, and when he finally grabbed that piece of metal out of the side of the machine to brain Kahn with it -- totally reminscent of how Kirk defeated him in the engine room in ToS by whaling on him with what appeared to be a piece of PVC pipe he pulled out of the wall. I loved it. Of course, having Uhura there was a nice touch, too. I like that romance.

If other Trekkies think this is just a rip-off of Wrath of Kahn, that's one way of looking at it, but to me it was an homage to Wrath, a reinterpretation of how that story might go down in a new time-line where whole worlds (like Vulcan) have been wiped out by an unknown enemy, where there's more fear and less peace ... I found the whole thing brilliant.

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There was a good bit of violence but nothing graphic, and the language was minimal. I would see it again. :D
 
inkspot said:

I am really loving the new actors, and Quinto (is that right?) as Spock was a standout; this was really his time to shine, and he did. (The actor is an outspoken Christian btw.)
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"Outspoken Christian"? I guess you're talking about another actor, because the actor I'm familiar with can't be a Christian. His lifestyle refutes that. Then again, I"m also of the Biblical belief that his lifestyle is sinful in God's eyes, which is considered intolerant and hateful. If Quinto is an "outspoken Christian", I would hate to see what other Hollywood Christians look like. It's a sad, sad day when we call someone like that an 'outspoken Christian', of which I have seen no evidence whatsoever. Not to mention his use of language speaks contrary to that statement.

Anyway. Back to the books. I recently discovered that Kirsten Beyer (who wrote the Voyager books "Unworthy" and "Full Circle", which killed off Janeway) wrote two more books following those two called "Children of the Storm" and "The Eternal Tide". Beyer suffered insane criticism following her first two books because for a lot of female fans, Janeway was/is a popular character. I know there was even a Facebook group that petitioned for Janeway to return, and they were committed to boycotting Beyer's work until she made that happen. I don't know if Beyer actually listened, or if she was afraid that her killing off Janeway would cause fans to stop buying her books, but she brought Janeway back to life in "The Eternal Tide"!!!! I am about halfway through "Children of the Storm", which is okay I guess. It's not my favorite Trek book...I find it somewhat confusing that Beyer goes back and forth between events. She'll talk about the present, then go back in time 16 days or whatever. Very hard to keep up with.

However, I must confess that I am only reading this book so I can read "The Eternal Tide", because I was pretty upset about Janeway's death. Especially when *spoiler* she and Chakotay were FINALLY about to get together! :eek: Stupid Trek writers always do that to us fans. I don't know if Chakotay and Janeway will get together in Eternal Tide, but my fingers are crossed and I sincerely hope so!

Oh yeah, and sorry if my review of the book contained spoilers...I don't have any idea what really happens at the end of Children of the Storm or how Eternal Tide unfolds, so it's really not spoilerific. ;)​
 
I can't remember if I read those books or not; I know I read a series or at least one book with Janeway as a sort of secret agent who entered into another story ... I doubt anyone else is reading the books so please let us know whether Janeway lives and gets together with Chakotay!

Maybe I am misremembering what I read about Quinto, but I don't write off someone as a Christian for their language ... I used to cuss like a sailor myself ...
 
His language isn't what makes me doubt his faith; it's his lifestyle/choices. Since the forum prohibits me mentioning what that is, if you guessed that it starts with an h and ends with a y, you would be correct.

But yes I will post my thoughts about the book(s) as I read them if I can. I'm more than halfway through the first one so I'm hoping I can finish it this week.
 
Star Trek: Voyager, "Children of the Storm" Review

Book Summary:
“YOU WERE TOLD NOT TO RETURN TO OUR SPACE.”
Little is known about the Children of the Storm—one of the most unique and potentially dangerous species the Federation has ever encountered. Non-corporeal and traveling through space in vessels apparently propelled by thought alone, the Children of the Storm at one time managed to destroy thousands of Borg ships without firing a single conventional weapon.

Now in its current mission to the Delta Quadrant, Captain Chakotay and Fleet Commander Afsarah Eden must unravel whythree Federation starships—the U.S.S. Quirinal, Planck, and Demeter—have suddenly been targeted without provocation and with extreme prejudice by the powerful Children of the Storm . . . with thousands of Starfleet lives at stake from an enemy that the Federation can only begin to comprehend. . . .
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Review:
I have to admit that since I haven't read "Full Circle" and "Unworthy" in a while, this book had me a little lost because characters would reference events from those books. Maybe someday I'll re-read those and read these again, but until then...I'll remain lost. Anyway. It wasn't a badly written book; if anything it felt like reading a two-three part episode from Voyager. My biggest issue with this book was how much Beyer jumped from past to present. I had a hard time keeping the timeline of events straight; some of her events weren't clearly marked in the book. I'm not sure if this book was worth the $6 I paid, but hey, $6 is pretty cheap for a book I won't read again (most likely). The Tom and B'Elanna conversations were good, and I could easily visualize those two during their conversations. I kept feeling bad for chakotay throughout the book though, knowing he is easily THE most wounded character in the Voyager universe and gosh, I just want him to be happy! Maybe this will happen in 'Eternal Tide'! :D

Rating:
3/5 stars.
 
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