The Series is threatened.

PrinceOfTheWest said:
I think it a bit simplistic to assign the blame to poor editing and an unappealing title character. I thought Ben Barnes was a good Caspian and played well the role he was assigned - it's just that the role he was assigned wasn't the role found in the classic book.

If Walden wants to continue making the books into movies, I hope they will catch on that their most dedicated base and biggest potential market is fans of Narnia, people who grew up on the books, who number in the millions. If they respect the stories (as Lion did), they can expect enthusiastic support. If they vary from the stories and think their screenwriters can do a better job than C.S. Lewis, then they can expect people to abandon them.

Take me, for example. I must've seen Lion five times in the theater, and bought the DVD the first weekend it was out. I've only seen Caspian twice, don't intend to see it again, and may purchase the DVD - though if I do, I'll probably wait for a used copy from Blockbuster. Multiply me by a few million people, and you explain the "meltdown".
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Comments like this are really making me sad. Guys, I'm a huge fan of the books. I love PC, and I'm disappointed with the stuff they changed or left out of the movie. BUT I think it was still a great movie; first, just in terms of amazingness, and also in terms of the spiritual lesson. I want this series to be huge, and I hate that other fans would turn on such an amazing work as this movie really is. Guys, I've been through some pretty intense arguments here at TDL, and I've maintained all through it that I was going to stick it out because I love this forum so much. But I have to be honest; I'm really seriously considering leaving right now because I can't deal with all the hate that's going around. I'd hate to be gone until VDT comes out and is awesome enough to turn things around, but I feel like it's the only thing I can do, because lately just coming on here has been really depressing...

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^^Grace: I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE. The whole reason I came back after a 2 year hiatus was hoping to find some like-minded people with whom I could discuss the PC movie (Sorry, it's AWESOME) and Narnia in general, etc. Alas, I came here to find a massive amount of, as you put it, hate, going around, on the movie and all. :eek: It has not made me happy.
 
Yay! We should start a "We Loved the PC movie!" thread. Or club. Or something. We should stick together. :D

EDIT: "tons" of people? If they're on here, they seem to be hiding or something. I have found only a few who truly thought it was amazing. The rest are all..."eh" or "awful" or "ruined it" or "ruined Peter" or SOMETHING. :eek:
 
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^YAY!!!Lets start a thread.:D

We'll,some,then..my family was half for and half against.:rolleyes:
 
I am sorry that you all feel that expressing our disappointment in the movie equals hate. That is not so, and if I gave you the wrong impression, I apologize. Do not leave the forum just because of that. There are tons of people who agree and many others who disagree with me and that's what makes this forum great, that we can agree and disagree in many levels and still be able to relate to each other. We all have one thing in common: we love Narnia dearly. We only disagreed on how it was portrayed in PC. That's all. There is no hate involved, really.

I do hope that PC does better when it is finally released everywhere (some pople have to wait until July) and that they continue to make all books into movies. I do hope though, that they do not make any more radical changes like the ones to the character of Peter in PC.
I want to believe that VODT will be a movie that will renew our hopes for even better Narnia stories in the big screen and bring more understanding of our differences in this forum.
 
I think the release date was a big factor in the disappointing ticket sales for the move. I really hope they reconsider releasing VDT around Christmas like LWW.
 
This is suffering from inflated expectations due to LWW's immense popularity. LWW made 744 million dollars, number 26 on the all-time highest-grossing movie list. The filmmakers felt all they needed to do was to make this movie and viola, money in the bank. They were probably expecting it to pace or even outperform LWW. But is that even realistic?

There's a little bit of luck and forces working together for a movie to hit a perfect note with the audience. LWW had that magic while PC didn't. That magic is hard to come by. The real test will be VotDT. I would say that if it does worse than PC, the series is in trouble, but if it does better, the series will still have legs.

MrBob
 
MrBob said:
This is suffering from inflated expectations due to LWW's immense popularity. LWW made 744 million dollars, number 26 on the all-time highest-grossing movie list. The filmmakers felt all they needed to do was to make this movie and viola, money in the bank. They were probably expecting it to pace or even outperform LWW. But is that even realistic?

There's a little bit of luck and forces working together for a movie to hit a perfect note with the audience. LWW had that magic while PC didn't. That magic is hard to come by. The real test will be VotDT. I would say that if it does worse than PC, the series is in trouble, but if it does better, the series will still have legs.

MrBob
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400 Million where from over seas don't count PC out yet it will make 200M a the lowest more like 300-500
 
Prince Caspian suffers from a bad plan put into effect by Disney/Walden.

1) Summer = Superheros ; Fall = Fantasy. This is the rule that the box office seems to follow. Disney/Walden attempted to go against "flow" and their movie is experiencing trouble for it.

2) LWW did most of it's business in the weeks following the release, due in large to a relatively uncrowded box office that followed. The same can be said for LotR. There are too many big budget movies coming out this summer for PC to be able to regain its foothold in the box office the same way LWW did.

3) Poor marketing. I mentioned this on another thread but I still think that D/W almost ignored this movie when it came to marketing the film. Few trailers, little use of the website, little use of television, and little use of retail outlets to drive sales will wind up hurting them in the long run.

4) Competion from within. Disney is poised to push Wall-E as its "premier" film for the summer, and will leave PC stranded.

PC will still do well overall. It may not turn the profit that LWW did, but this might teach D/W a lesson on how to market a film.
 
With the way this movie was marketed, it would have been better off with viral marketing LOL
 
I Agree

Caspian'sQueen said:
Prince Caspian suffered a 60% fall off in its second week---despite a long memorial day weekend in the US. It is unlikely that it will now turn a profit given its 200 + million dollar budget. By contrast, The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe increased in popularity after its opening. Box office mojo writes:

" The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian melted an alarming 59 percent over the proper three-day weekend period, a steeper drop than The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe after a smaller start. The fantasy sequel grossed $29.8 million over the long weekend for $97.9 million in 11 days, while Lion had $117.8 million at the same point. " http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2499&p=.htm

I don't think its unreasonable to think that Disney pulls the plug on the franchise, especially if the third movie is not successful.

Prince Caspian suffers from poor editing and an uninspired and unappealing performance from the actor playing the title character.
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I definitely agree with you. I do however believe that they have already contracted into the fourth movie "The Silver Chair". Although I think that they will find that the further into the movies they go, that don't involve any of the Pevensie children, Disney will find that less people are interested in seeing them. Especially for those of us who havn't read any of the books will expect to still see the Pevensie kids in the fourth movie...and we will be greatly disapointed. I've become attached to the kings and queens of old and I find it very unappealing to see a Narnia movie without them in it. I think Disney will make the fourth movie and cut it after that...no one will be interested in seeing anymore of the movies without the main characters that we have come to love from the first three films. I also found Ben Barnes performance as Prince Caspian to be mediocre...since the movie is titled after his character. I thought Skandar Keynes performance as Edmund stole the entire movie.
 
They should have named the movie, 'King Edmund'. Maybe it would be doing better right now. I is jking...:D
 
grr..I HATE Disney. They have NO good management or film crews anymore. I've completely given up on them and wish New Line Cinema had done this series.

I don't think Ben Barnes was to blame for the movies failure...he did very well (not a fan girls view) while the others return performances, were a bit to changed for the audience to re-connect with them as they should...the same thing happened with the Pirates series (ANOTHER Disney failure, DISMAL failure) Disney just needs to be SHUT DOWN before they really ruin the entire film making business and further pollute the your peoples minds with their terrible attempt at quality film making.
*gets off soapbox*
sorry, I have quite a little rant about Disney...didn't even really start on it here *whistles innocently *:rolleyes:
 
Mrs. Pevensie said:
You know what that is a good suggestion! I wouldn't be surprised if the movie would do better if they changed the title and took Ben Barnes out of it...haha.
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Well...Edmund did do most of the heroic stuff in that movie. Kind of ironic, don't you think? Caspian merely stood around looking dumbfounded...or on the ground dare I say...looking dumbfounded.

And as far as Disney ruining movies? I disagree. As much as I love Warner Bros. they ripped the Harry Potter series to shreds, then tried to put all the pieces back together to try and make a movie.

At least Disney is doing the movies in the correct order!
 
Jersey Dagmar said:
Well...Edmund did do most of the heroic stuff in that movie. Kind of ironic, don't you think? Caspian merely stood around looking dumbfounded...or on the ground dare I say...looking dumbfounded.

And as far as Disney ruining movies? I disagree. As much as I love Warner Bros. they ripped the Harry Potter series to shreds, then tried to put all the pieces back together to try and make a movie.

At least Disney is doing the movies in the correct order!
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Actually, Disney isn't doing them in the correct order. I think another book came before the LWW book. Disney is only doing in the order that they are because they need to film all the movies with the Pevensie's as children before the actors mature to much to look the correct ages. I forget the actual order of the books. But I know that the first three films are not the first three books in the series. And already too much time is going by between each film. For instance you really see the age difference in Skandar Keynes. He was 12 in the first movie, and 16 in the second. There is only supposed to be a 1 year difference.
 
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