Update On The Next Film

In the Dawn Treader her dagger was on Aslans table Lucy was the only one to know what it was in the book, Last battle Tirian while tied to a tree remebers past kings of old and how they defated the White Witch as he said was the greatest feat of all. Jadis or White Witch as the Narnians called her was mentioned in all the books, and as for the SC the owls mentioned her as they thought the Green Lady was part of the same crew.
 
Don't forget she was only called Jadis in two books MN and LWW and even then it was only on the warent for the fauns arrest. In all the rest she is called the White Witch. :)
 
You're right, she is mentioned as a historical occurrence. But that doesn't mean she was the Satan of Narnia. If anyone qualified for that title, it would be Tash.
 
"the only thing that fits is that she lost her magic and prob her immortaly when she left."

The Charnians were not immortal. It would have been incredible if every former leader of Charn, who lined the hall of images, died of murder (which in itself would preclude them from immortality). The fact that the room continued with empty chairs obviously intended for the future rulers of Charn is prof that they expected more leaders to die and be enshrined there.

"Jadis dose not appear in person in all the books but she is mentioned in them all."

So is Lucy.

MrBob
 
Jadis-the-White said:
True they did see a body laying on the ground and ran away in fear, but did any one go over to make sure if she was dead Peter didn't and he was the one who was fighting her. The hag was not bringing back a ghost as she said who ever heard of a witch that realy died you can always get them back she also said when the doctor said she was dead according to the stories "Oh is she?" A Hag is a witch's understudy and would know more about Jadis than anyone but she was killed before she could preform the ritule. :)
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Don't forget, not only was this in the middle of a battle but the bad guys had just seen Aslan, whom they had all seen killed by Jadis, return at the head of a large army, and apparently kill their Queen. Now they were heavily outnumbered, not to mention the effect of the presence of Aslan, and under such circumstances it is hardly surprising that none of Jadis's followers who were still alive hung around to carry out a postmortem! Their primary thought was survival! Even the most evil ones would realise that a tactical retreat was the best policy at this point: they could then plan their revenge later, from somewhere safer.

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Or then again, maybe Aslan did kill Jadis at Beruna, and the hag was just pretending to know things that she didn't. It's certainly true that Jadis never shows up again in the storyline after Beruna. We'll never know if the seance would have succeeded, since it never got a chance to happen.
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Although we never read about Jadis again after Beruna, don't forget, we only know a small amount of the history of Narnia. Is it not possible that she may have turned up during one or more of the periods which we know little or nothing about?
 
Jadis-the-White said:
True she did mention Royal blood as she was desended from a royal race humans are not allowed to have magic as they are mortal and only immortals can have it as Aslan and Jadis had. She was desended from Lilith and was a Jinn so was born with the magic but born from evil perants who where immortal she would inherinate both their powers. /QUOTE]

Jadis-the-White said:
Don't forget she was only called Jadis in two books MN and LWW and even then it was only on the warent for the fauns arrest. In all the rest she is called the White Witch. :)
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[QUOTE/Mr Bob: The Charnians were not immortal. It would have been incredible if every former leader of Charn, who lined the hall of images, died of murder (which in itself would preclude them from immortality). The fact that the room continued with empty chairs obviously intended for the future rulers of Charn is prof that they expected more leaders to die and be enshrined there.
MrBob
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Really, what about Uncle Andrew, and those who taught him magic?

Is there any real evidence that Jadis wasn't human, apart from what the Beavers told the Pevensies? Is it not possible that this was simply anti-Jadis propaganda, put about by her enemies?

Is it not possible that, as time pased, her real name was forgotten by most Narnians, lost in the mists of time?

And the earlier kings and queens of Charn were good people ("Weak", according to Jadis) who would have been less likely to have been the victims of assassins. In any case, I should find it very unbelievable if all of them had been murdered.
 
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Andrews godmother had fairy blood in her and gave him a box with dust in it, it came from another world prob the Wood between Worlds as thats where the rings took you and then the green ones took you elswhere via the pools. All Andrew did was to make rings out of it the magic was already in the dust, he dabbled in the black arts thats all. Jadis was born with her magic as where her race, the early royals prob used it for good and over time they became cruel with Jadis the evilest one of all Andrew was not in the same leauge as Jadis nor was any one else bar Aslan.
Lucy is not in MN as she was not born yet, it says that a child will come threw the wardrobe but she is not named.
Tash did nothing apart from kill Shift and take Rishda as Peter said begone and take your lawful prey to your own place.If he was that good he would have killed peter as Jadis certenaly would have. Jadis was the only one granted lawful prey by the laws of Narnia and was far more evil than Tash.
 
Jadis is desended from Lilith who was not human nor was the male she mated with, the Jinn are not human so there fore Jadis is not human, she tried to pass herself off as one as the first king and queen of Narnia where human desended of Eve thats what the whole thing about sons of Adam and Daughters of Eve as humans are their off spring. Jadis is Lilith's off spring. :)
 
"Is there any real evidence that Jadis wasn't human, apart from what the Beavers told the Pevensies?"

Even if the Beaver story was wrong, Corin, she came from Charn. Unless you want to say that the Charnians were human, or at least came from Atlantis, that is something else.

"Lucy is not in MN as she was not born yet, it says that a child will come threw the wardrobe but she is not named."

Yes Jadis, Lucy was mtnioned in every book. Not necessarily by name, but a reference was made to her in the two books she is not a part of.

"Jadis was the only one granted lawful prey by the laws of Narnia and was far more evil than Tash."

Aslan told Emeth that Tash was Aslan's opposite, not Jadis. All good deeds, even if they are done in Tash's name are actually done in Alsna's name .All evil deeds, even if they are done in Aslan's name, are actually done in Tash's name. Tash is the ultimate devil in the series.

MrBob
 
Yes MrBob Digory said when he saw her in Andrews study Hardly human. Lewis said his Narnia stories are a story within a story. He put Lilith in his book for a reason to show us that Jadis was not human but a desended from her and Samael or Satan as he was later called in the Bible, she is a Jinn who where female demons from Lilith. Aslan is the son of God in Narnia and Jadis is the daughter of Lilith and Samael. Charn was Lewis' Bablyon Narnia his heaven or at least the new one was. Jadis was the only evil to enter it and Lewis' evil was the kind that pretends to be something it is not as he said. Jadis tried to pass herself of as a human and declared herself Queen of that land. Jadis tried to destroy the Narnians faith in Aslan with her winter spell and bannishing Father Christmas ect ect. Her winter spell also controled the population of Narnia to keep Aslans followers to a minium.
 
Jadis, your harping on the Lilith aspect only displays how obsessed you've gotten with this comic-book version of Narnia you've ginned up. Lewis was not an expert in Asiatic lore, which is where you find the original Lilith. In all likelihood, his reference to Lilith comes through the George MacDonald work of the same name, wherein MacDonald uses her as a character in a fairy tale. In that tale, she is the mother of a race, but in the end finds repentance and the sleep of death. From the point of view of the Narnia stories, the Lilith comment was one that I'm convinced that Lewis would take back if he could, because it's so difficult to square it with his later weave-in of Jadis being of the Royal House of Charn, which was a totally separate world than ours.

Again, you're free to put any interpretation you like on Lewis' work, especially where there are gaps, but don't expect the rest of us to buy into it.
 
Hi PrincoftheWest, this is my 4th time trying to post a reply to you every time I get your not logged in when I know I am yesterday it was 9 times before I could post is it this site or my pc?, Anyway I dont understand where you get comic book from is the Bible a comic to you? :)
 
Lewis was a well educated man many degrees to his name he did one in english which takes 3 years but he did it in a year so I think he knows what he was writting about he was an Oxford don and his lectures where always full of people to listen to him. He did not copy McDolands Lilith story he used the Hebrew Myth of her as he used all Myths in his stories and his faith, which he lost after his mother died and other events in his life, his life is also woven into his stories. As he said it is a story with in a story granted it was for younger readers but he also wrote it for older readers as well, to kids its a fairy story but to adults it is more. I don't think Lewis would use the names Lilith and Jadis just for fun he could have made up any names as did other authors, meanless names but he didn't. Even Jadis' name is not made up it is from the old French meaning there were days before and in morden French it means once apon a time so why did Lewis chose the old French meaning? Aslan is Turkish for Lion again not a made up name. As Lewis said evil in his Narnia is the evil that pretendes to be something it is not ie Jadis passing herself as human. Lewis used the Bible a lot in his works, ie The Lord has broken the rod of the wicked, the Scepture of the rulers" ring a bell who in Narnia had a rod made of gold in the films it was a wand same thing. Jadis on Charn said " Such was Charn, That great city, The city of the King of Kings, The wonder of the world. perhaps of all worlds". Charn was not a world but a city as was Babylon, the King of Kings is God. of corse Charn and Narnia are not of our world but they are referances to places that where in our world. Lucy in the final battle said when in the stone stable that in her world there was a stable that had somthing bigger in it than the whole world, she was talking about Christ, Lucy was the only one to understand Aslan where as Jadis tried to destroy his faith in many different forms. :)
 
I don't think Lewis would take out the Lilith from his book she is there for a reason, his whole books are about faith in Aslan or God, as Aslan said he brought them to Narnia so they may get to know him better in their world as in their world he has a different name as dose Jadis. Take away the myth, fantacy and the message is still the same good against evil, one good one evil, as Aslan said an evil has entered my new world and evil will come from that evil and as it was a son of Adam who brought it here it is a son of Adam who will put it right.:)
 
Since the thread has moved and it was me saying that the Green Lady and Jadis are the same I will end with this in an illustration by Pauline Baynes (who worked closely with Lewis) it shows Jadis from the magican's nephew, her wearing a green snake arm-let and the green ladys horse was white and called snowflake. :)
 
Jadis-the-White said:
Since the thread has moved and it was me saying that the Green Lady and Jadis are the same I will end with this in an illustration by Pauline Baynes (who worked closely with Lewis) it shows Jadis from the magican's nephew, her wearing a green snake arm-let and the green ladys horse was white and called snowflake. :)
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I know you're banned, but I will say this: if you're going to claim something, please back it up with evidence. If you can't find an online version of this illustration...then find it in a book. Otherwise, don't say it exists. I've never seen this so-called "illustration", and so it's either because it doesn't exist in your context, not at all, or I've never seen it in my versions of the books.

Now, your reasoning makes no sense whatsoever. "her horse was white and called snowflake"? That's your basis for The Green Lady and Jadis being the same? That's very flimsy reasoning, and has a big enough hole in it to not hold any amount of water. Thank you, but no: you will never convince me that Jadis and the Green Lady are one and the same with baseless examples such as that.

EDIT: I did a little Wikipedia research, and did find the illustration probably referenced; however, a little arm bracelet is little reason to conclude that Jadis and the Green Witch are the same person; if anything, it reinforces the fact that since TMN is a parallel for Genesis in the Bible, Jadis is the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Also, I should say that in the image I found, the detail is not there to determine that Jadis is wearing a serpent bracelet. It doesn't even look like a snake from a distance, let alone up close. I blew it up to about 130%, and couldn't tell anything about it other than it being green. I'm sorry, but if they were the same person, Lewis would have written it as such. As it stands, I tend to go with the author's words. She was just a Northern witch, similar to Jadis. I think anything else would be grossly speculative and mostly wrong.

Anyway. I feel like this topic got way off subject. If (and a big if) there is another film to be released, will it matter which one it is? I feel like with Dawn Treader, they've kind of blown the franchise. Should there be a reboot of Prince Caspian and Dawn Treader, then a continuation? LWW was so well done, I don't feel that it needs a reboot. But, if someone could make LWW as well as Adamson (or even better, as I hated Tilda being the WW), then I'm all in. Thoughts?
 
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In almost all drawings of Jadis, she has some kind of arm band jewelry, but that is never described in the text. In my books, the pictures are black and white. That it was green I see as incidental and coincidental for the later use of green for the latter witch.

There is no update as yet on the next film (getting back on track).

MrBob
 
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