Why Do You Have A Problem With VODT?

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Hope you know that I support Narnia 4. I don't want MN over SC, but I still support another film.
 
AK, you'll probably get mad at me for saying this, but take a deep breath. Not a "chill pill", just a deep breath.

Okay. Got that.

Yeah, I dislike the VoDT film. I made a thread reviewing it and asking for Andrew Adamson to be brought back as the director. I didn't say I hate the film, nor did I constantly run it down. That's not why I come here. I think that if you look hard enough, you'll find that no one comes here (to TDL) expressly for the purpose of tearing down the movies. Please try to remember that.

AK is right. It is about time people stopped getting on others merely because they're expressing their opinions. That's what we do here. Suck it up. If you don't like it, don't read it or post an opposing view.

I missed the Lamb turning into a Lion part of the movie the most. I really think that they should have included that and that missing it was really a big failure.

Now - this is a thread about what you like about VoDT. So I'll say that I liked the swordfight, on the whole I liked Eustace and Will Poulter's acting, and I liked the beginning and the painting scene. There.

Mike
 
First of all, I get rather annoyed when people say, "Oh, stop bashing the movies! Just get over it!" and then create a thread for positive things about VODT. I hate to tell you, but that implies that you don't really want to hear why people dislike the movie, and frankly, if you were paying attention to any other discussion thread in this subforum, you wouldn't have needed to create this kind of thread.

I personally am not going to respond to this question because you know what? I AM TIRED of being told that I am in the wrong for hating the movie. I am TIRED of being told that I can't have my opinion, and I am TIRED of seeing threads where people can't seem to understand a simple concept of how some people feel. I'm going to tell you like I've told others: PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM ARE FREE TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO TELL THEM TO DO OTHERWISE. And to be perfectly honest, there are so many discussion threads about VODT that the mods may need to come in and clean up after members who aren't careful about creating new threads.

I'm beginning to feel like I'm not tolerated because I voice my opinion on something....and that's not the way a forum operates. I believe i'll be taking this concern to the moderators, because it's getting worse with members telling other members to shut up about this topic, and when they're basically snubbing people because they dont' share the same opinion. If you dont' like dissenting opinions, don't be active on a forum. That's what forums are for: differing discussions and differing opinions.
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AK, I dont think anyone is intentionally saying that. I dont think that anyone is saying that you can not express your opinions at all. Nobody is saying that you are wrong for hating the movies and no one is saying you are wrong for having your own opinion on things. If anything, we feel that it is the other way around.

What we are saying is that it seems that y'all see a thread about the VDT and think "Okay, how can I bash this now?" That is all Aslan's Child, and I, am trying to say. It tends to get depressing for me. I mean, I know that i said this somewhere else, but I shall reiterate it. I get stressed from school, social life, etc.. Then, I come on here to relax, and its quite hard when all I see are negative comments, and no even trying to see the good in the movie..

Honestly, though, I can see where you are coming from. I understand, the VDT and PC could have been way better, but I know that I really enjoyed them for different reasons. I enjoy them because they are some of the only, morally sound (non-junky) movies out there these days. In a world where there are so many junky movies, its nice to see a movie that has good morals, no junk, and has a reasonably good plotline.

The rude way you talk about PG-13 films makes me think repeatedly of The Lord of the Rings, which deserves none of this generic (though often true) criticism.

I'm homeschooled. The only R-rated film I've seen is The Passion of the Chirst. All I watch these days are chick-flicks, because that's what Mom wants to watch. The action movies I get to enjoy are rated PG. So I think I basically fall under your "watch a ton of kids movies" category.
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In response to this, I was just using PG13 as a general topic. A lot of PG13 movies have some sort of junk in them, so I was just 'typecasting' PG13 movies, so to speak. ;) I know, LOTR deserves no criticism at all. Those were great movies, some of my favorites. I am sorry if I offended anybody by that comment, for it was not my intent at all, I was just trying to make a point. :eek:

I'm homeschooled as well. I have never seen an R-rated movie in my life, so that was why I used PG13 as my example.

I definitely agree with point 4. How thankful I am that the movies have kept negative content to a minimum! The Narnia movies might not be just like the books, but they're good movies compared to others. Some people want the moviemakers to stop making Narnia movies, and this upsets me. They don't have to like the movies, but unless there are serious moral issues, they shouldn't want them not to make them. Seriously, the Narnia movies are some of the most family-friendly movies being made nowadays!
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I agree with you totally!!! YOu worded that better than I did!!!

I know that written words can often be misinterpreted, so, I just wanted to say that I meant no offense in anything I said, nor did I mean it in a rude, opinion-downing way at all. If that was how it was taken, i apologize. :eek:
 
EveningStar said:
Discussing what you like...and what you dislike...is a matter of intellectual freedom. I think I can sense some of the concerns that are being expressed, and I'll try to sum them up here:

1. Cool it, guys. The filmmakers monitor these forums and you're going to screw it up for those of us who really WANT more movies by claiming you speak for us and that the fandom hates the films!

2. It isn't enough that you hate it, you're trying to convert those of us who may be ambivalent that it is really stupid.

I think I can speak for the silent majority who want more movies that there should be more movies for us to see. Nobody should try to strip us of our right to have such movies. Well I don't see anyone trying to do that, actually.

Hollywood may be stubborn and even misguided, but it is not STUPID and they know that EVERY MOVIE EVER MADE has its detractors and even haters. Including Gone With the Wind. All the people out there ready to crucify Harry Potter upside down did not prevent the movies from being made or stop the kids from seeing them. Aravis Kenobi is not Madeline O'Hair and she's not lobbying Congress to have Narnia taken out of movie houses. She just doesn't like the movies. I just don't like "The Breakfast Club" or "High School Musical." EVERYONE doesn't like SOMETHING.

My point is don't rally to defend your side in this thread to sway the producers. Winning your arguement here will not make or break Horse and His Boy, nor will it cancel Silver Chair.
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Thank you.

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What we are saying is that it seems that y'all see a thread about the VDT and think "Okay, how can I bash this now?" That is all Aslan's Child, and I, am trying to say. It tends to get depressing for me. I mean, I know that i said this somewhere else, but I shall reiterate it. I get stressed from school, social life, etc.. Then, I come on here to relax, and its quite hard when all I see are negative comments, and no even trying to see the good in the movie..
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So....if all I see are good comments, and threads promoting the positive things about VODT, am I allowed to think, "how many more ways can we GUSH over this movie now?" Not everybody thought the movie was great, and you clearly missed the point of ES's post, and mine. I've never said that the movie didn't have its good points; because for the first 10-15 minutes, it's okay. I like it up until Narrowhaven. But why is it okay for you gushers to go into every single VODT discussion thread and continually reiterate what's good about it, and it's NOT okay for people like me to do the same, only in the negative? You can't do that. It's not okay for one person, and okay for another. That's not how a forum is constructed, and not how the discussions should proceed.

When you say, "we feel it's the other way around", is it because I'm doing the same thing to you that you are doing to me (i.e. telling me I have no right to have a negative opinion)? I can answer that very easily: yes. Deny it all you want, but you and everybody else who can't seemingly understand that there will be dissenting opinions basically tell me I have no right to express my negative opinion, but YOU believe you have the right to express your OWN opinion, which happens to be positive. Anything else is terrible and shouldn't be expressed. And I guarantee that this last paragraph will be denied in following posts, and only denied because it's true. Anybody with two eyes can see that you're calling for tolerance, but you don't practice it.

This is one of the reasons why I'm trying to get myself away from this forum. And I'm NOT repeating myself again. The mods are monitoring the thread because of this attitude towards people who dare to express a "negative" opinion, so I'm shutting up now.

That is what you wanted, isn't it? :rolleyes:
 
This thread had the deadly possibility of turning into a thread of horrors, but instead both sides seem to be reconciling!

May peace return to TDL.

EDIT: Overposted. I guess I can forget that.
 
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So....if all I see are good comments, and threads promoting the positive things about VODT, am I allowed to think, "how many more ways can we GUSH over this movie now?" Not everybody thought the movie was great, and you clearly missed the point of ES's post, and mine. I've never said that the movie didn't have its good points; because for the first 10-15 minutes, it's okay. I like it up until Narrowhaven. But why is it okay for you gushers to go into every single VODT discussion thread and continually reiterate what's good about it, and it's NOT okay for people like me to do the same, only in the negative? You can't do that. It's not okay for one person, and okay for another. That's not how a forum is constructed, and not how the discussions should proceed.

When you say, "we feel it's the other way around", is it because I'm doing the same thing to you that you are doing to me (i.e. telling me I have no right to have a negative opinion)? I can answer that very easily: yes. Deny it all you want, but you and everybody else who can't seemingly understand that there will be dissenting opinions basically tell me I have no right to express my negative opinion, but YOU believe you have the right to express your OWN opinion, which happens to be positive. Anything else is terrible and shouldn't be expressed. And I guarantee that this last paragraph will be denied in following posts, and only denied because it's true. Anybody with two eyes can see that you're calling for tolerance, but you don't practice it.

This is one of the reasons why I'm trying to get myself away from this forum. And I'm NOT repeating myself again. The mods are monitoring the thread because of this attitude towards people who dare to express a "negative" opinion, so I'm shutting up now.

That is what you wanted, isn't it?
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Crap. My comment obviously came out wrong. :( That was not how I meant it at all.

I know, it is plainly obvious, not everyone liked the movies. All I was saying was that you dont have to go into EVERY thread and bash the movie. (I only capitalized every because I wanted everyone to see that word) Yes, you have your opinion, and I have mine, and I was not saying that you have to keep your opinion to yourself. I was only trying to say that you do not need to go onto every thread about the movies and bash them. Yes, you have every right, to, and can, but it is not necessary. Everybody pretty much knows that you dislike the movie. You do not need to keep stating it. You can, but its not necessary.

I never said that you cant express your opinion at all, in fact, I believe that I already stated otherwise in my last post. If not, then here it goes. You have every right to state your opinion. The First Amendment of the US Constitution makes that very clear. You have the right to freedom of speech. No one, least of all my self, meant that you had to stop saying your opinion, nor had it ever crossed my mind. You can say whatever you like, and wherever. But it is not necessary. There are times when you might want to keep from the negative comments, just like there are times when I have to restrain from the happy, positive comments. But you are right, you do have the right to say whatever you want.

I know that it is almost never what is said, but how it is said that bothers me. When it comes out as rude, bashing, and 'snubbing,' thats when I get mad. If I get a comment like "I did not like it, but I think I can see where you are coming from...." and then state in a kind way why you did not like it, I would be more ready to calmly retort with the same thing, except opposite. I know, I need to, and have been trying to, work on that same thing as well, so I was just making a suggestion.

Well, I should probably stop posting in this thread as well. I was just all excited that someone on here had a similar opinion to mine and decided to express my excitement and what I agreed on, but, yet again, it has started an arguement, and I apologize for that.
 
Here, we are NOT going to talk about the positive things of the films, because there are too many other threads about it (and in which I have participated too, thank you very much). If the creator of this thread doesn't like people's opinions about the movie, then please do stay away from discussions. If you come read the comments, don't act as if somehow some of us are evil for pointing out how wrong the changes looked in the movies.

We are all here because we all love Narnia but really dislike what the movie makers are doing to it. We come here to express those opinions. Don't act as if you, creator of this thread, are right in telling the rest of us not to express our opinion. You do not love Narnia MORE than us.

The movies were not created by C.S. Lewis. The movies are the ideas of people who are motivated to please the masses and make a load of dough while they're at it. We, as paying patrons, have earned the right to point out the shortcomings of those movies.
 
Well said, BK.

Hey, everyone. Let me demonstrate what AK's huge frustration is about. If you leave a comment in a NarniaFans news article saying "I loved VDT, etc.", you will probably have no one reply to it with their hatred of the film. It's also unlikely that anyone will call you foolish for liking it.
But if you leave a perfectly polite comment saying that you didn't like the film, you will get many replies, sometimes even a dozen. And they will not be kind, polite, or pleasant. It's that kind of intolerance that we're sick of. And people don't keep track of who says what. If I leave a comment that mentions my dislike of VDT on one article and someone else does the same on another, then people attack you for "trolling" and "spamming" because they just assume that it's the same person (without reading the name). They complain that we "talk about how much you hate the movies on EVERY article!!!!!" blah blah blah. It never ends. To those of you who respect our opinions, you have my utmost regard and greatest respect.

This is the new form of our rights being removed. Freedom of Speech will not be removed by the government (or in this case the mods and admins). It will be removed by the majority.
 
Oh no. Have I come across that way at all? If so, I sincerely apologize! It was never my intent to bash you or your opinions. I can kinda see where you guys are coming from and realize that you have every right to express your opinions. :) if I have ever sounded as if I was saying that you were stupid for your opinions or whatever then I really apologize. I just feel that I am in the minority in many of my opinions and so get excited when someone else shares my opinion on something. :) That's why I said some of what I did on this thread. :eek:
 
QLTV, I've appreciated your last few comments. You seem to understand what I'm saying. I'm just asking that everyone would try to think carefully before saying anything in retaliation to a negative comment. I actually have the same problem, and I often say things I regret later. It can be quite difficult to think before acting, and a lot of people don't do that online because it's a "safer" environment. This inevitably leads to strife.
 
Arvan said:
This thread had the deadly possibility of turning into a thread of horrors, but instead both sides seem to be reconciling!

May peace return to TDL.

EDIT: Overposted. I guess I can forget that.
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I had the same thought yesterday, this and the 'SC NEEDS TO BE NEXT NOW!!!!'thread seem be begging for a pointless brawl, Which I will kindly stay out of. Threads like this make people upset and uncomfortable, and seem rather pointless. It should be common sense that everyone will not have the same opinion on things, which like ES said should be respected. Personally, I may not agree With AK all the time, but she's extremely likable and well thought of by me. Arvan and I don't always see eye to eye, but I consider him a 'best friend' of sorts here. If you truly have a question about that way people think, you should post it in the Socratic Club-- without bringing any up the thought about People's negative posts of VDT, but rather about the general way people make cognitive decisions.
 
Soldier of Aslan said:
I had the same thought yesterday, this and the 'SC NEEDS TO BE NEXT NOW!!!!'thread seem be begging for a pointless brawl, Which I will kindly stay out of. Threads like this make people upset and uncomfortable, and seem rather pointless. It should be common sense that everyone will not have the same opinion on things, which like ES said should be respected. Personally, I may not agree With AK all the time, but she's extremely likable and well thought of by me. Arvan and I don't always see eye to eye, but I consider him a 'best friend' of sorts here. If you truly have a question about that way people think, you should post it in the Socratic Club-- without bringing any up the thought about People's negative posts of VDT, but rather about the general way people make cognitive decisions.
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I agree, that TDL should not be a fighting scene. There have been nasty fights before, and I sure don't hope it'll happen again!! I nearly left the forum for that reason.
Everyone is surely entitled to their opinion. Which means that the maker of this thread is also entitled to be tired of negative talk about VDT. And those who don't like the film can express that, which they have.

I don't have a problem with the VDT film. I have several! ;)
But I still support it. There are more good things than bad things for me. No matter its shortcomings it's still a lot better than many other films out there, which other people have pointed out as well.

I hope more Narnia films will be made. These are films which I'm happy to recommend to my students. There aren't too many of those!!
 
Maybe this is a really radical idea, but you should like or hate the movies by what you see yourself in the theatre instead of making that decision here... :rolleyes:

I'll also make another suggestion: did you ever think that ticket sales would mean more to the producers than arguements in this thread? Rather than trying to convert other forum members, why not get a bunch of your friends to "trust me, it's an awesome movie" and come to the theatre?

My point is that THIS DISCUSSION is not what will make or break Silver Chair. Don't waste all your campaigning here. Do you SERIOUSLY think that you're going to write something so devastatingly great that AK is going to smack her forehead and yell, "GOOD LORD, WHAT A FOOL I'VE BEEN! THIS IS GREATER THAN CITIZEN KANE!!" Not likely. And I think it highly unlikely that she's going to make me wish I'd never bought tickets to see it.

So my point is WHAT'S THE POINT?

Maybe we do have morale problems around here once in a while. I don't doubt it. Some benighted inbred scumbag fools that crawled out from under a rock actually don't like badgers the best, but you don't see it upsetting me, do you??
 
EveningStar said:
Do you SERIOUSLY think that you're going to write something so devastatingly great that AK is going to smack her forehead and yell, "GOOD LORD, WHAT A FOOL I'VE BEEN! THIS IS GREATER THAN CITIZEN KANE!!"
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XD
ROFL!!!
I think I'm going to take a break on Rosebud;)
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Me, I love badgers. Especially sautéed with sriracha sauce. Mmmmm!
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yes, My prefered college is the badgers!
and here is a picture of EveningStar I took once:
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Whenever films are made from books you get differences from the original text, for good or bad, and VOTDT is no exception. Similarly, people will have differing views about such films. Remember, one can please all people some of the time, and some people all of the time, but it is impossible to please all the people all of the time! Speaking personally, I enjoyed the film very much, and am looking forward to the next one regardless of which one it happens to be.
 
Just read "The Wizard of Oz" by L. Frank Baum and watch the MGM movie again. You'll never complain about the Chronicles of Narnia again. Next to what MGM did to Wizard, the Walden Media films of Narnia are like a narrator reading the book aloud onscreen. That hasn't kept The Wizard of Oz from almost constant release as a beloved icon.
 
EveningStar said:
Just read "The Wizard of Oz" by L. Frank Baum and watch the MGM movie again. You'll never complain about the Chronicles of Narnia again. Next to what MGM did to Wizard, the Walden Media films of Narnia are like a narrator reading the book aloud onscreen. That hasn't kept The Wizard of Oz from almost constant release as a beloved icon.
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Don't get me started. Everything with Oz has to be this candy coated nonsense aimed at children and girls. With a whopping 9 Oz movies in production this year, only 3 are based on the first book, the rest ignore the 39 sequels in the cannon and focus on continuing the MGM nonsense. We are Lucky MGM was as close as it was, they originally had a Dragon, a singing Princess of Oz, a munckinland fire department (Cars are not introduced to Oz until 1943), a son for the witch and all sorts of nonsense.
 
And what about The Return of the King, the third film in The Lord of the Rings? Saruman only appears in the extended version where he is killed at Orthanc in the film, whereas in the book he dies at Bag End, in the Shire. Moreover, the film completely omits 'The Scouring of the Shire' which the author of the book himself described as "...an essential part of the plot, forseen from the outset..."
 
EveningStar said:
Just read "The Wizard of Oz" by L. Frank Baum and watch the MGM movie again. You'll never complain about the Chronicles of Narnia again. Next to what MGM did to Wizard, the Walden Media films of Narnia are like a narrator reading the book aloud onscreen. That hasn't kept The Wizard of Oz from almost constant release as a beloved icon.
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Amen to that. As a kid, I was in love with both the book and the movie adaption. I appreciate them both for what they are, even if they don't even slightly resemble each other. :p The same goes for Narnia; I think the books are great, but I also love the movies. It's not impossible to like them both simultaneously. I realize that literature and film are two separate art forms that bring very different qualities to the table. But I also understand that people have opinions and tastes that differ greatly from each other. Personally, I think that the Harry Potter movies are a disappointment in comparison to the books. That's just an example.
 
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