Why Do You Have A Problem With VODT?

[Arvan]

So my point is WHAT'S THE POINT?

My point is not that I want to "convert" others to my view, but rather to explain my view and beg for people to stop attacking me because of that view.

And what about The Return of the King, the third film in The Lord of the Rings? Saruman only appears in the extended version where he is killed at Orthanc in the film, whereas in the book he dies at Bag End, in the Shire. Moreover, the film completely omits 'The Scouring of the Shire' which the author of the book himself described as "...an essential part of the plot, forseen from the outset..."

ROTK was criticized for having "too many endings". That was without the Scouring. Do you think that killing Saruman (who takes no part in that storyline) at the beginning rather than the end is worse than changing the entire plot of the film?

*note, the Scouring of the Shire is my favorite part of LOTR.

 

[Aravis Kenobi]

ROTK was criticized for having "too many endings". That was without the Scouring. Do you think that killing Saruman (who takes no part in that storyline) at the beginning rather than the end is worse than changing the entire plot of the film?

*note, the Scouring of the Shire is my favorite part of LOTR.

Not to mention, PJ's reason for changing that plot line was so that the movie wouldn't end with the deaths of two major characters...and I think it worked out better because there was a scene of dialogue from TTT that made it into ROTK's extended edition, and I think that's more important than the order of events.

 

[Aslan's Child_1996]

Everyone that has posted in this thread being mad at me:

I never meant to make anybody upset and i totally wasn't trying to tell anyone to shut up. I was just kinda upset that just about everywhere i go, people talk about what they didn't like and how the movie was terrible, etc. There are plenty of things i would have liked to see in the movie that weren't there. Like the dufflepuds floating on their feet and the whole invisible feast thing; Drinian knocking the castle guard guy on the lone islands out he way, Gumpas' table getting dumped; The dragon on dragon island that was there before Eustace. There are other things I could think of, but i don't have time. I was just trying to say that surely everyone didn't HATE VODT. I mean even if you disliked it, there had to be things you liked about it. But why does everyone talk about the things they didn't like? I didn't know that creating a thread for things we liked about the movie would create such a problem. I am sorry for making you think the things my first post might have implied. I am not here to make enemies and when you write something on the computer it can be read and misinterpreted by a lot of people. I was not trying to offend anybody.

 

[Liz]

Everyone that has posted in this thread being mad at me:

I never meant to make anybody upset and i totally wasn't trying to tell anyone to shut up. I was just kinda upset that just about everywhere i go, people talk about what they didn't like and how the movie was terrible, etc. There are plenty of things i would have liked to see in the movie that weren't there. Like the dufflepuds floating on their feet and the whole invisible feast thing; Drinian knocking the castle guard guy on the lone islands out he way, Gumpas' table getting dumped; The dragon on dragon island that was there before Eustace. There are other things I could think of, but i don't have time. I was just trying to say that surely everyone didn't HATE VODT. I mean even if you disliked it, there had to be things you liked about it. But why does everyone talk about the things they didn't like? I didn't know that creating a thread for things we liked about the movie would create such a problem. I am sorry for making you think the things my first post might have implied. I am not here to make enemies and when you write something on the computer it can be read and misinterpreted by a lot of people. I was not trying to offend anybody.

Thank you for explaining, Aslan's Child.
I wasn't offended myself, but I think it's nice when people try to explain and make up!

 

[QueenLucyTheValient]

Everyone that has posted in this thread being mad at me:

I never meant to make anybody upset and i totally wasn't trying to tell anyone to shut up. I was just kinda upset that just about everywhere i go, people talk about what they didn't like and how the movie was terrible, etc. There are plenty of things i would have liked to see in the movie that weren't there. Like the dufflepuds floating on their feet and the whole invisible feast thing; Drinian knocking the castle guard guy on the lone islands out he way, Gumpas' table getting dumped; The dragon on dragon island that was there before Eustace. There are other things I could think of, but i don't have time. I was just trying to say that surely everyone didn't HATE VODT. I mean even if you disliked it, there had to be things you liked about it. But why does everyone talk about the things they didn't like? I didn't know that creating a thread for things we liked about the movie would create such a problem. I am sorry for making you think the things my first post might have implied. I am not here to make enemies and when you write something on the computer it can be read and misinterpreted by a lot of people. I was not trying to offend anybody.

Exactly!!!! I know that i missed a lot of things! In the dawn treader, most of which you stated here, Aslan's Child. I agree, everyone dwells on the mistakes and dont bother to look at the things they liked in the movie. That and how people express negative opinions is what really bothers me. I guess I'm just a total optimist. I like to look at the good in life. I want to go into law enforcement when I grow up so that I can put more evil away, punish the evil in the world. It would also be fun to be a missionary to some place where they need them. I am an optimist. I'm going to try to find the good in whatever. Sure, there will be things I dislike. ( Harry potter was brought up, I believe. I like the books loads better than the movies. The movies are still great, but the books were better.) I also don't like to hurt other peoples feelings, cause I know what that feels like. I've been really down recently cause, for some reason, I REALLY, REALLY miss my dad, who died 4 years ago of adrenal cancer. I have been really trying to look on the bright side for everything, cause it cheers me up. That is another reason why the pessimism has been bugging me. But, as I have stated, everyone has the right to their own opinion, so they can say whatever they'd like. just it would be nice if they could say it in a respectful way.

Whoever restrains his words has knowledge, and he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.-Proverbs 17:27

 

[Arvan]

Everyone that has posted in this thread being mad at me:

I never meant to make anybody upset and i totally wasn't trying to tell anyone to shut up. I was just kinda upset that just about everywhere i go, people talk about what they didn't like and how the movie was terrible, etc. There are plenty of things i would have liked to see in the movie that weren't there. Like the dufflepuds floating on their feet and the whole invisible feast thing; Drinian knocking the castle guard guy on the lone islands out he way, Gumpas' table getting dumped; The dragon on dragon island that was there before Eustace. There are other things I could think of, but i don't have time. I was just trying to say that surely everyone didn't HATE VODT. I mean even if you disliked it, there had to be things you liked about it. But why does everyone talk about the things they didn't like? I didn't know that creating a thread for things we liked about the movie would create such a problem. I am sorry for making you think the things my first post might have implied. I am not here to make enemies and when you write something on the computer it can be read and misinterpreted by a lot of people. I was not trying to offend anybody.

Well, there is a thread out there called "Small Things You Liked" where there is no such argument. But your thread topic is "Why do you have a problem with VODT?" and that's what we've been talking about. Just so you know, I'm not mad at you either. The only thing I'm mad about is that I get in all sorts of broiling conflict when I choose to express my opinion. It's as bad as politics and religion.

 

[BarbarianKing]

I was just trying to say that surely everyone didn't HATE VODT. I mean even if you disliked it, there had to be things you liked about it. But why does everyone talk about the things they didn't like? I didn't know that creating a thread for things we liked about the movie would create such a problem.

Did you go to the trouble of doing a search of this forum before creating this thread? Because threads for things WE LIKED about the movie exist. If that was your purpose, why didn't you just said so and leave it at that or post in the existing threads? This thread begins with you being angry at people who post the things they didn't like and in passing, towards the end, as if an afterthought, you say "ok lets talk about what we liked." After your initial rant, possibly no one saw that last line.

I am not mad at you, but I also didn't like the way you started this thread because it implies that if someone points out the negative aspects of the movie, we are somehow wrong at best, and evil at worst. Also, it makes it look as if you think we do not love Narnia just because we don't completely like the movies. That is far from the truth.

And just for the record everyone, I respect you all and I do love you all like a Narnian BUT, I do post what I mean and mean what I post.

 

[Aslan's Child_1996]

Sorry. I didn't really look at the other threads before I started this one. I woke up early yesterday, and just kinda started a thread. I usually read others, though. Notice how there aren't a whole bunch of threads by me? But you know, there are tons of threads about the same thing just with different titles!

 

[Aslan's Child_1996]

This thread begins with you being angry at people who post the things they didn't like and in passing, towards the end, as if an afterthought, you say "ok lets talk about what we liked." After your initial rant, possibly no one saw that last line.

I am not mad at you, but I also didn't like the way you started this thread because it implies that if someone points out the negative aspects of the movie, we are somehow wrong at best, and evil at worst. Also, it makes it look as if you think we do not love Narnia just because we don't completely like the movies. That is far from the truth.

I didn't mean to start the thread sounding like I was mad at everyone. And I do not think that i love narnia more than everyone else. I just meant I like seeing new things that didn't happen in the book and I don't understand why other people don't.

 

[Soldier of Aslan]

This thread should be locked...

It's starting to look ugly

 

[Aravis Kenobi]

^Not to mention there are already a ton of other threads just like it...and how can you insult horses like that? My favorite animals.

 

[EveningStar]

I am going to lock this thread to encourage people to explore the full range of threads already available to discuss what is likeable and not so likeable about VODT. This is not an angry iLock, nor is it a warning. It's an attempt to channel the energies of the community in productive directions where everyone is a winner.