ChristianityToday has posted an interview today with Walden Media’s Micheal Flaherty. He addresses a number of things, including The Magician’s Nephew, the Narnia Police, the un-dragoning and the dialogue of Aslan.
Why Magician’s Nephew next?
When asked about why they are choosing to do The Magician’s Nephew instead of The Silver Chair, the reasons are actually very practical. While this might be upsetting from a storytelling point of view, they do have some pretty valid research about the series, and it points to everything that I was thinking that it would be.
Flaherty says: It’s a creative decision in terms of what story we felt has the best opportunity to draw the largest audience. The box office has pretty closely followed the sales pattern of the books. Prince Caspian sells about half of the books of Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe, and it did about half of the box office. Caspian sells about a third more books than Dawn Treader, and it did about a third more box office. That pattern continues to decline with Silver Chair being the weakest book in the series in terms of consumer demand.
This also means that The Magician’s Nephew, The Horse and His Boy and The Last Battle each sell more than The Silver Chair.
In fact, according to Flaherty’s numbers (which HarperCollins provides), The Magician’s Nephew falls right behind The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe in sales. He also says that they’re following Lewis’ lead, with regard to telling the origin story after showing the world. It is far more interesting that way. I applaud them for recognizing that the origin of a magical wardrobe and lamp-post is far more interesting if you’ve already witnessed the magical properties of them.
The Narnia Police on the Dawn Treader
Flaherty mentions that they appreciate the comments from Narnia fans that are sticklers to the books. They do understand the audience, and as I understand it, they always try to make a better film each time out. Here’s what Flaherty said about the themes in the film:
There’s agreement that we are getting things right thematically. In terms of Reepicheep with that Aslan-size hole in his heart, getting that right. In terms of Eustace talking about no matter how hard I tried I couldn’t do it myself, the idea that redemption is something that has to be given; it can’t be earned. For the most part people have agreed that we’ve done a good job with those themes.
The short un-dragoning
Eustace’s un-dragoning has been a big topic of discussion. When I was on the set in September of 2009, I heard that the un-dragoning would not appear in the film. The reason was that it doesn’t technically even happen in the book. When I say that to people, they tend to look at me like “I read it, and you read it, so you must be crazy.” However, when you really look at it closely, it all happens by way of a story by Eustace to Edmund.
Flaherty acknowledges the disappointment that people felt about it, though, saying: We wanted to show it, but what we ended up doing was reinforcing that message when Eustace says later, “No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t do it myself. And then he came towards me. It was a good hurt.” Visually, I was pleased with it. But yes, there was a response where people wanted to see lion paw firmly placed in dragon flesh and ripping it off. That was a common disappointment.
The Tie goes to C.S. Lewis
When it comes to the dialogue of Aslan in the films, they’ve come to terms with what they are doing. This part is going to make a lot of purists very happy, because they are listening, and this shows that they are. Here’s what Flaherty said about Aslan’s dialogue in the films, with regard to Prince Caspian and then his lines in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader.
With all the Aslan parts, particularly the dialogue, there’s always a very spirited and healthy discussion, and generally any time there’s a discussion, the tie goes to C. S. Lewis. So we always come to the agreement, “Listen, let’s not think that we can reinterpret this and do a better job than Lewis. If we disagree about this, if people think there are different ways to say this, let’s just make sure we preserve what Lewis said.” That’s a mistake we made with Prince Caspian, where we changed Aslan’s dialogue with Lucy. [In the book, Lucy says: “You’re bigger, Aslan.” Aslan replies: “That’s because you are older, little one.” Lucy: “Not because you are?” Aslan: “I am not. But every year you grow, you will find me bigger.” In the film, Aslan says to Lucy: “Every year you grow, so shall I,” which carries quite a different meaning.] We didn’t get that one right. We learned our lesson from that. And so as we were trying to figure out the dialogue with this one, we decided that we would just go back to verbatim what we had in the book.
Now, when it comes to that dialogue in Prince Caspian, I don’t want to cause a stir or another debate. I’m already on record as believing that Aslan appears to the individual in a varying size based on the faith of the one that sees him. That’s just how I read it, even in the book. “I am not. But every year you grow, you will find me bigger.” To me that means, while he doesn’t grow, as God doesn’t grow, she will see him bigger, as we see God’s role in our lives bigger as we grow in faith. In fact, others I’ve spoken to feel the same way that I do, and read it the same way. Now, the film version can be taken a very different way from even that. But it can also be taken the same way.
Anyway, that’s my perspective.
I’m impressed! He is very honest about the mistakes they’ve made, while drawing out the many successes they have. I like where he’s going.
And at this rate, The Last Battle will be perfect.
hmmmm, well what I really hope they don’t do is make LB before some of the others! He makes it sound like LB would bring more money and so they will do that one sooner! I just hope they leave that one for last! I mean its like putting the judgement day forward so that they can earn more money! LB was MEANT to be the last!
I agree, Patrick, if any one of the books should be put in chronological order, the Last Battle is where it matters most. It really does have to be the finishing point…
I mean, Lewis brought every character that had ever been “dragged into Narnia” into the final scenes of The Last Battle. We have to know them for that glorious reunion to mean anything. Hence, The Last Battle ought to be the final installment in the series.
“Period, exclamation point!” (quote from Reepicheep the mouse)
“There’s agreement that we are getting things right thematically.” Since when? VDT was the worst yet thematically! What world is this guy living in?
“Listen, let’s not think that we can reinterpret this and do a better job than Lewis.” Yeah… why don’t they actually try using that philosophy?
Really, Arvan? He says that they are paying attention, and you hurl insults. That’s not the way to effect change.
I agree, no offense, but he is right. You are only hurling insults, i think of you as grumpy the dwarf…why the attitude?
That was to Arvan…just wanted to make that clear.
Well, that’s two; let’s see who else wants to jump on board!
Oh!Oh! Me!!! I love ganging up on people! (just kidding, Arvan, I understand where you’re coming from, though, may I share, it’s really not worth it to bash people… it kind of has a boomarang effect!)
Yeah, my original comment was pretty harsh, though I didn’t mean it to be. I have a habit of not reading what I wrote before clicking “submit”.
I think all of us do somtimes, I forgive you! ( Besides i do the same thing….alot!)
I agree with Paul and C.S. they are listening to the fans and trying to do things right.
And personally, I loved VDT!
Well, I am glad that they want to keep making the Narnia films. I would rather have SC before MN, though. However, if MN will lead to getting the rest of the books on screen, I’m all for it! 😀
“However, when you really look at it closely, it all happens by way of a story by Eustace to Edmund.”
By that logic, most of Prince Caspian didn’t happen because it happened by way of a story told by Trumpkin.
“There’s agreement that we are getting things right thematically. In terms of Reepicheep with that Aslan-size hole in his heart, getting that right.”
Reepicheep briefly mentions Aslan’s country once to Lucy. And all he does is mention that he hopes to earn the right to see it. We never get the sense that the “spell of it” has been on him all his life. Aslan’s country is not mentioned again until the very end of the movie. They took the emotional center of the entire story and turned it into an eater egg.
“‘We wanted to show it, but what we ended up doing was reinforcing that message when Eustace says later.'”
The fact that Eustace has to tell the audience that he couldn’t do it himself, and that it was painful, proves that the filmmakers knew those ideas did not come through in the scene. Audiences had to be told about those ideas, because they clearly were not a part of the scene. “Reinforced” is the wrong word. That implies the ideas existed prior to that scene. This is a common problem with the VDT movie: Important ideas are not shown, we are simply told about them.
Playing the advocate, here. I just think about things differently. It’s not that I’m right and you’re wrong. Just that I have a different perspective.
Re: Prince Caspian not happening because it was a story
That story also didn’t show a graphic scene that would be terribly frightening to the younger children, with a lion tearing the skin off of a dragon they know to be a child.
Re: Reep’s hole in his heart
The song that he sings happens only once, sure, but did you want him to keep ringing the same bell throughout the film?
Re: reinforcement
I agree with Flaherty here. As I understand it, the un-dragoning almost didn’t make the movie somehow. I did feel that Eustace’s re-telling of what was happening to him was very helpful and also that it did help the scene that we actually saw. I think it helped to tell the younger set what was happening, as well as what was going on in Eustace’s mind during it. These are children’s movies as much as they are children’s books.
I think the proper term would be “family film”, there’s a difference.
something considered “children’s fare” would be more like Barney the purple dinosaur, something teens and adults would not also enjoy.
“It’s a creative decision in terms of what story we felt has the best opportunity to draw the largest audience. ”
This statement is a contradiction. It’s a creative decision they are making because they will make the most money?
I do understand what your train of thought here is, as you’ve spelled it out quite well. However, from a business owner / creative, it’s not actually a contradiction of terms. When we design a website, we design it how we feel will make the most money, but we also do so creatively. Making a button yellow rather than green is a creative decision based on the opportunity to get the most eyes on it. We make creative decisions that seem counter-intuitive, in order to get the best return. They are still creative decisions.
I’m SO GLAD that the people making these films actually care about the books, not like other book series. And I’ve always noticed that they make sure Aslan says things “very precise” to the book, which is probably the most important part.
Caring about a book isn’t enough. You also have to know how to translate it to screen. I think Walden is full of people who care about the books, but lack the ability to translate them. But that is okay, because it’s not the job of the studio to do that. It’s the director’s job…
And Michael Apted, based on interviews, seems to have no clue what VDT is about, much less how to translate it to screen. Frankly, he doesn’t even seem to like the book.
I got that same feeling, like he didn’t like the source material particularly. seems like it was just a job to him, something he didn’t really care about. IMHO>
I don´t know why fans always try to seek the slightest thing on something and be against it, don´t you just be happy to see another movie on big screen, (and i’m saying this because im a britney fan too and they are stressful) i mean for me dawn treader was a really beautifull movie (story and visual effects)and try to catch the spirit of the book besides the changes i wish that movie was a litle bit longer but thas ok i really enjoy it.
and you have to starting thinking more what audience would like to see and not what a fan would like because in this case narnia don´t have enough fans i believe that the 25% of who saw the movie were fans and the rest other people and in my case, i start being a fan because of the films (since prince caspian), later a read the books, so a lot of people who probably read something about narnia just read LWW, and they dont read the rest
so stop complaining of everything and be glad that they’re considering doing another movie, and for who don´t like it, you can go and be a fan of something else and don’t watch the film and leave us alone nobody is forcing you to still being a fan
i forgot, if the books were so famous in that time it’s beacuse the story was adapted to like people of that time now people are expecting other things visualy specialy in fantasy movies, and i don´t know why movies are passing for a critical economic problem and a saw good movies this year, and in terms of new ones, not sequels that have and stronger fan base, the successful onces were between 400 and 550 not more so consider a narnia a succeed
Why should I be glad they’re making another movie when they are nothing like the books? Don’t get me wrong, I loved LWW and PC, but VDT just didn’t portray the story as it was written. It wasn’t even an interpretation, it was more like a film maker’s “lets do this, it’s better”.
I will always be a Narnia fan because I love the books. If I don’t like the movies, does that really take away from my fandom?
tastes are tastes and different for everybody, what i just saying is that if you don´t like the movie just say it once and not come and act like a hater!! and remind others why you don´t like again and again not only you and talking in general for me VDT was excellent, and like the changes except for de swords, cuz the book like me but not too much, but in MN book i like it a lot and if the change something i don´t believed will be a radical one but if they do fine i like to see different stuff cuz books are something and movies others
yes, well somtimes I try to tell people Online about something and it takes a long time before it gets through there heads. I think arvan is just trying to make a piont; even though he/she does do it alot…maybe a little to much. I understand the why you are upset.
No one said you had to comment all the time, did they?
Just move on
Arvan: please, try to hold in the feelings a bit , it is a bitt annoying when you keep complaining about VDT, look at the other good things they put into it…it isn’t that bad!(Just addvice!)
i doubt the filmakers feel it’s “better”, but more in tempo with todays entertainment business model- fast paced, cgi, more secular, etc. the chronicles probably seem old fashioned compared to the mindset of viewers into Tron, etc.
Well, most of the time they do it so that they can continue the series, but still it is harder to make a movie than it looks.
No, i don’t think it does take away from fandom; the movies are suppose to be like the books in the first place….
i am extremely grateful!!
“That story also didn’t show a graphic scene that would be terribly frightening to the younger children, with a lion tearing the skin off of a dragon they know to be a child.”
What exactly do you mean by “show”? Eustace describes in great detail the process of ripping his own skin off, and then Aslan ripping it off. He also describes the pain in great detail.
There are numerous problems with the undragoning. It was little more than a commercial break from the sea-serpent battle. It was something that had to happen so Eustace could unite the swords and save the day. This is a far cry from the book where the entire story is put on hold so we can have this powerful character moment.
“The song that he sings happens only once, sure, but did you want him to keep ringing the same bell throughout the film?”
Reepicheep talks about Aslan’s country many times throughout the book. One time, he says he would give his life just for ONE glimpse of the world’s end. And of course there’s his very memorable speech: “While I can, I sail east in the Dawn Treader. When she fails me, I paddle east in my coracle. When she sinks, I shall swim east with my four paws. And when I can swim no longer, if I have not reached Aslan’s country, or shot over the edge of the world in some vast cataract, I shall sink with my nose to the sunrise and Peepiceek will be head of the talking mice in Narnia.” Reep’s longing for Aslans’s country is a crucial thread through the entire story. In the movie, Reep casually mentions it once and that’s it.
It’s also worth mentioning that in the book, all the main characters long for Aslan’s country (though not as much as Reep). In the movie, there is no indication at all that Caspian and the crew know anything about Aslan’s country.
So, to answer your question, yes I think Reep’s longing should have been a strong thread throughout the entire film, not just a brief footnote in a story about fighting green smoke.
So you’d prefer a ringing gong to subtlety, when it comes to Aslan’s Country, but prefer subtlety to a ringing gong when it comes to the undragoning?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5uilxMOVrY
“These are children’s movies as much as they are children’s books.”
Couldn’t disagree with this statement more. The VDT book is a children’s book in the sense that it addresses universal themes relating to childhood and a child’s perspective on the world.
The VDT movie is a children’s movie in the sense that it was made for A.D.D. people. It seeks to move fast and wave pretty colors in front of you to keep the Nickelodeon audience from getting bored. The firs two films were much more mature in terms of emotional depth.
VDT, like all the Narnia books, also increases in depth and complexity with each reading. The movie is shallow mindless nonsense. Something to play for your kids to keep them distracted while you do laundry.
Facts are facts. These are children’s movies, and children’s books. Period. You’re probably the only one that I’ve heard disagree with that statement. I worked in a library. The books all were in the children’s books.
I completely disagree with your assessment of the film.
I never said they weren’t childrens books. Please read my entire comment.
He did. He can’t argue with it.
Do you wish to be banned? I do not appreciate the attitude. You are a guest on this website. Etiquette is necessary. I did read his entire comment, and I said that I didn’t agree with his assessment of the film. I also later said that I was stepping away from the argument. Not because I can’t argue it, but because it’s like a dog chasing its’ tail. There will be no winners, and no losers, and we won’t get anywhere. Nothing fruitful would come of it, just as nothing fruitful comes from your negative persistence to chime in with insults.
Paul, I disagree we will not get anywhere with discussion. At the very least, responding to counter-arguments often forces you to think about your position in a different way. So you learn more about other point-of-views, as well as your own. I also disagree that it’s about winning and losing. It’s about seeking truth.
Thank you for the chat! If you wish to continue it through e-mail or AIM, I’ll be up for it. I apologize if the comments section on a news story is not the appropriate place for a lengthy discussion.
Paul Martin:
Hey, thats not nice. I like narnia fan, not only for the books, but because I thought this was a good place to talk to people who love jesus. Some people might think i am narnia addicted, but I surely don’t like the fact of everyone slaming Arvan, yes there are a few unessesary comments, but is that really worth being band for. I mean is that what jesus would do? He would show kindness right?
Oh , and back at you Paul martin about the insult’s! If you are going to banded anyone…it is wrong! I can’t belive that at of all the people on narniafans you would be the one to slam someone in the face????
Arvan: Please , watch yourself…i won’t be “protecting” you forever…just watch yourself…okay?
Now to get off that subject….(Did i mention I am writing my on book series, because of C.S. Lewis’ chronicles of narnia, it is alot like them, but I have a christain theme,new creatures;which my brother loves…and thats all i am saying….hee hee!!!)
C.S., I’m well within my rights. I mentioned that I was stepping out of the conversation, and he was taking it to mean that I couldn’t go on, and deliberately made claims about me that were both untrue and insidious. It’s not wrong to ban someone that is constantly riling things up / hurling insults. There are plenty of places for the person to go. There are millions of websites on the internet.
Paul, you didn’t say you were walking away from the conversation in that comment. I’m sorry if I misread your comment, but you seemed to be ignoring what glumPuddle had written.
Now, though you might honestly believe it, I’m not a troll or spammer, and I have no intention of going to other random websites in order to leave a bunch of rude comments. I only make rude comments when I’m talking about something I’m passionate about and I’m not thinking straight.
Maybe i didn’t make my comment clear to you Paul…I wasn’t saying you don’t have the right to, I ment to say that i don’t see that very nice or even christ-like; thats only my opinion.
And yes , there are lots of narnia sits Online, but there isn’t anything as good as NarniaFans.com;in my opinion.
And like arvan,we all lash out something, here and there. Maybe I went a little to far, I apoligize. And i didn’t mean to insult you, i am just to make things clear.
Have you ever thought of turning the other cheek when someone slams you ? It helps! Then again…just my opinion.
I understand what you were saying… please correct me if you think i am wrong about…anything! It don’t want people feeling bad because of my comments.
I understood what you were saying. However, I’m not about to let someone walk all over me. Turning the other cheek works when properly done, but sometimes measures must be taken for the good of a community.
By the way…doesn’t anyone read the end of my comments?…you know about posters that i make or even a book series???
Okay, i understand…but you aren’t going to band him right? Please don’t!
Oh,and people please read my other comment about posters ans my book series!!! I feel ignored! At least when it comes to that topic!
No, I’m not. He hasn’t continued to make false claims or personal character attacks.
As for your posters and book series, your comments are probably missed because it’s off topic, and people aren’t coming to this story much anymore.
At this point, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised they actually considered cutting out one of the most important scenes in the entire series. … But I am.
Walden, Fox, and Apted had no idea what to do with VDT…so they defaulted to twisting it into conventional cliche commercial garbage.
At this point, I think I’ve said enough, and that this argument isn’t going to help anyone. I’m going to step away. I just can’t focus on this anymore. You’re going to continue hating it, and I’m going to continue loving it. Such is life when it comes to art. We’re going to have to agree to disagree, and we both have every right to our own stances on it. One of the major facts in this is that I got engaged on the deck of the Dawn Treader. That is a major influence on how I feel about the movie, but I also look at it subjectively as its’ own story. Either way, though, it is the one that I am the closest to, and that is something that my wife and I have that no one can take away. If that makes my opinion worth less to people, so be it.
Hi Paul, there’s no point explaining things to that kind of person who was clearly a hater (he post on every news with such negativity, I mean it’s ok to make your point once, twice but please not in every news with the same content of negativity affecting the readers) the best way is to ignore him and don’t entertain, he made his point I know he love Narnia and he hate the movie.
That comment was very hurtful. Maybe you should take note of the fact that we don’t leave “hateful” comments in every story, only the ones that can be disputed. But we don’t reply to every commenter that has a different view; Paul does that.
If a story I read says something I don’t agree with, I have just as much a right to say so as the people who loved what they read.
I’m sorry Arvan if that’s the case for you but it’s true “hateful” is the correct word for that person based on my observation both in NF and NW.
And please don’t include yourself Arvan I’m only saying that to him not you, but if your guilty, that also applies to you.
I respond to as many comments as I can, to make people feel welcome, and that their voice was heard. It just so happens, that I’m also responding to comments directed at my stories, which contain a lot of my point of view.
glumPuddle is NOT hateful. He has an opinion and isn’t afraid to stick with it. Good on him. He’s got an unpopular opinion and he remains public with it. And if agreeing with him makes me “guilty” of something, then yes, I’m guilty.
Let me make it clear once more: I LOVE the books, and I’m thankful that someone wants to make them into films. But if they don’t do it right, I’m not going to sit there and say nothing. Believe it or not, there are people who thought that Eragon was a good movie. believe it or not, there are people who thought VDT was a bad one. People will always disagree on subjects like this, but NO ONE should be silenced over it.
Now let this conversation be ended.
Thank you paul martin!…..And Arvan i can relate…and now i am done…the end!
Thanks, Pinoy. I appreciate it. That’s why I decided it was best to step away from the argument. It isn’t leading to anything fruitful on either side, or to greater knowledge.
Good for you Paul, good for you! Maybe you’re older than most of us, but who cares?! It is still to your credit that you can handle things maturely. I know you just gained MY respect, and I want you to know that, even if you never read this comment.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” -Matthew 5:9
(sorry to deviate from the Narnia subject… hope it won’t happen again!)
Thanks Crazycelt! I appreciate it.
There is one thing that I do tend to respond to, that I feel is well in my best interests to do so, is personal attacks against someone’s character. I don’t allow that to happen on either side. Someone’s ideas or ideals should be questioned only to them with rational and a calm demeanor, so as to best understand where they are coming from and why they feel that way.
What people are saying is called into question, sure, and sometimes it doesn’t seem like a character attack when you’re talking about someone’s likes – but a lot of the time it is.
Then why is it that glumPuddle or I get called a “hater” and nothing happens?
You’re here to defend yourselves. Micheal Flaherty and Dr. Devin Brown are not. That’s how I thought about it.
Good point.
perhaps glum/and/or arvan could write a letter detailing all their points/concerns and you could direct them(or pass along to TPTB) as to where it would actually get through to someone who is in a position to actually DO something about it (walden/fox/focus group researchers) they would feel heard, the actual filmakers would hear some intelligent points from serious fans, and narniafans might be a more cheerful board again. just a suggestion.
I agree, this is crazy…like other arguements i have heard of…but i am not going to bring that up….whew!
It doesn’t make it worth less to me…you were engaged on the dawn treader..thats so cool!
“I got engaged on the deck of the Dawn Treader. That is a major influence on how I feel about the movie”
If someone agrees that the themes of the book were not honored in the film, but still likes it anyway, that’s cool! I am not disputing anyone’s right to like the film. I am disputing the idea that Lewis’ themes are in the film. It’s not even the same story.
You made your point long long before in Narniaweb and in Narniafans you don’t need to keep repeating the same rant.
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Like Yojar said:
“if you don´t like the movie just say it once and not come and act like a hater!! and remind others why you don´t like again and again”
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Move on with your life, we already did. ^^
apparently some people feel you go past the point of stating your disapointment (repeatedly), and veer into the territory of becoming a wet rag and a total downer to readers when they are just trying to enjoy something they have looked forward to for 2 years.
Heh!
I though the undragoning was very well done & artfully creative, including the cross symbolism involved.
It’s place in the flow of the over-all film was rhythm perfect too – which was really only the one fault, in a similar story place, for PC film, when it loses it’s rhythm very briefly after the Peter/Miraz duel due to the underground cavern & resulting extended skirmish movie beats, but PC manages to reach so high in everything else though, it’s still an all time favourite.
I’ve seen that alot of people like the deleted mutiny of VODT scene which is pretty good, but i liked the ‘Caspian Doubt’ deleted scene most, as it helps add the extra dimension of the complete green mist/seven lords/seven swords plot line to the film adaptation oF VODT- one which means we now have a great trilogy of Narnia with more new filming to come:)
& i liked how the mist used Ed’s – who was the bravest on the Dawn Treader – fear out of everyone on the Dawn Treader, & the deeper theological undertones that this could represent too in what Aslan says at the end of the film.
I agree with you Nic, the undragoning scene was really creative until now i have goosebumps, I also like the phasing of it much like the phasing of the whole movie, though it feels short and I’d like some more since im a fan of the film but for me it’s ok.
Speaking of PC i remember I’ve watch it on the cinema 5 times ^^ and I always got the same reaction to audience that the film is to long and full of battle much like when they cut it to lucy taking a conversation with Aslan, to my surprise the audience take the scene really funny and they murmur “everyone is battling and here they are talking like nothing happens outside” i get that the same reaction all over I wonder why, the in the scene in Dawn Treader where they fight the serpent then cut to undragoning, it’s the opposite reaction, they are all silet and focus on the movie, to think that the cinema is jam pack and full of childrens. I think it really work well, the undragoning scene.
Just saw the movie n it may not be a perfect translation, it was a very good movie. Im a huge Harry Potter fan n I understand the twinge when its not like the book. Books, comics, n tv shows all change a bit, but would u rather they dont make them @ all? Ive noticed only a few who really dont like it n they keep posting the same thing, n to them all I can say is shut up n dont watch. Lol, or better yet why dont you make the rest of the films since you understand them so much better than any of us? Bet your the the same 1s that know the right to coach any pro sports team, lol. Any way, great movie 2 thumbs up!
You sound an awful lot like a real “hater” to me. And by the way, if the “two fingers” thing flies here, I’m leaving the site Paul.
Thank you!
Sorry man…but…I feel very sorry for you….don’t you know that is witch craft…the Bible says that we should stay away from that and to tell you the truth..i hate witchcraft,harry potter or anything like it. In my oppion the lady would made the books is a witch and she is needing to be rebuked.(I hope this doesn’t offend you , but…i am sorry…i can’t take it.
The books contain witchcraft, yes. But J.K. Rowling is not a witch. That kind of accusation is unacceptable.
There was an interview on her and her books…and she said that she STUDIED it. So that makes her a witch. She knows the spells and curses. I have to disagree,she is a witch.
She is not a witch unless she practices witchcraft. Studying Biology doesn’t make me a biologist.
And she does!
i get the feeling her story just popped into her head from a dark source.
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Yeah, C.S., that’s the same way I think about the matter. I’m a Catholic, and I’ve even heard a priest say not to read them: they and their kind are forbidden by the Catholic Church.
I’m not defending Harry Potter, but I will say that many pastors and churches also have forbidden/condemned the Chronicles of Narnia.
Really, condemned Narnia? Are you serious…I can give a list of alot more worse movies than Narnia! and not only harry potter;but because I want to end this discussion, i am not going there!
I am not saying you are defending. Sorry if it looked that way;i was trying to tell you somthing thats all….sorry about that.
Really? I have a few friends who are in love with it and are Catholic ( as in they love the books and movies;which i think are sick) thats weird?
It’s true. The Catholic Church forbids having anything to do with witchcraft. That means no horoscopes, no seances, no books/movies that portray witchcraft as good. Sadly, though, many Catholics ignore this when it comes to entertainment, and that’s where they need to be especially cautious.
BTW, I also agree that JK Rowling sounds suspiciously like a witch. Not the kind that flies around on a broomstick, but the real kind. I highly suggest to stay away from the HP books and movies.
I apologize for my last comment to Paul. I spoke out of ignorance… I had not read any further than his alledged “withdrawl from the fight” and thought he seriously meant what he said. I really hope you guys get over this… cause it’ll seem really trivial when we get to ‘Aslan’s country.’ please remember that.
You’re right, it really is quite trivial. It’s amazing what people will say to each other when they are offended. And it always looks dumb later.
Does that mean you are still leaving the site? Beceause you had me worried there….I don’t want anyone to leave!
You can’t see part of NDN515’s comment because Paul removed it.
oh, thanks for telling me…
CrazyCelt: Um. What? Reading further doesn’t help because you have to look at the time stamps, not just the order. It wasn’t ‘alleged’ it was actual. I always mean what I say.
So…now what?
So now we pretend this whole conversation never happened and we sit around hoping that MN is made, that it’s done right, and that it makes big bucks (after all that’s the most important thing for Narnia, it seems).
I Agree…so what is your favorite part in the book MN ?
I’d recommend joining the forum. This isn’t really the place for off-topic discussions.
https://narniafans.com/forum/register.php
Thanks, just joined!