Anti-Arwen!

Arwen isn't really a major character at all in the book. I think in the movies they thought it would make more sense if she showed up a bit oftener, but went about it in the exact wrong way.

Of course, I am rather prejudiced against the movies on account of what Peter Jackson did to Frodo and Faramir. :mad: Nobody talks to me about Faramir.
 
Arwen against the nine Nazgûl? Glorfindel placed Frodo on his horse and Frodo escaped from the Nazgûl. Arwen was lucky because of the horse and she knew how to call the horses in the water. I agree she was too wimpy. I agree...Eowyn was way more cooler.
 
Arwen was indeed braver than most give her credit for. Her heroic efforts to carry Frodo to Rivendale knowing she would be facing the Ringwraiths is only one of her acts of courage. She also had to stand up to Aragon and point him in the direction of his path in life. And then, perhaps the hardest, standing up to her own father over her love for Aragon. Facing enemies is one thing. Standing up to family is often a greater act of love and courage.
 
Wow. That was a pretty mean website.

I like Arwen. In the movies, that is. It's been a while since I read the books so I can't really remember what she was like in them.
 
Arwen was virtually non-existent in the main narrative of LOTR, whereas her grandmother Galadriel was seen in more depth. You have to read the Appendix about Aragorn and Arwen to see Arwen's personality, which turns out to be not far away from what the movie showed. Except that Tolkien's Arwen would NOT be so anxious to score brownie points with feminists in the audience that she would playfully threaten Aragorn with a sword when he was preoccupied with finding medicinal herbs to help save Frodo's life and there were Nazgul skulking nearby.
 
What, SacredSpirit, are you saying _I'm_ ridiculous to say that the original Arwen would not goof around and interfere with Aragorn's urgent search for the athelas to help Frodo? I stand by it; Tolkien's Arwen, if entrusted with going out to bring Frodo back to Rivendell, would not waste a moment in such a silly way when a life-and-death emergency was in progress.
 
In the book, I have nothing at all against her; indeed, she's hardly _around_ to give any cause to DISlike her. In the movie, I dislike that one bit of behavior that fails to appreciate the seriousness of Aragorn's effort to help Frodo, but otherwise I like the movie Arwen very much--and not ONLY because Liv Tyler is hot enough to melt steel.
 
Well, what can I say? We've heard jokes about people taking ugly pills; Liv Tyler seems to take so-incredibly-gorgeous-it-almost-hurts-a-man's-eyes-to-look-at-her pills.
 
heeeey!! Arwyn is awesome!!!!! and thats alot from me because i usually completely loath any female part in anything. Somebody needs to make an anti-EOWYN site!!!!!! what are they talking about that Liv Tyler cant act??? She does an AWESOME job!!!!!!!! And im sorry, but she is REALLY pretty. this is coming from a GIRL. she has such a naturally gentle and beautiful look it makes even me go "wow"

Personally, i HATED Eowyn, those people on that site dont kno what they're talking about
 
I have nothing against Miranda Otto; but I have a complaint about something the _writers_ did with Eowyn's dialogue, ruining the original intent.

In the _book_ of ROTK, as Eowyn is recuperating from the big battle, a Gondorian physician pulls the Alan Alda moral-equivalence routine, trying to make Gondor and Rohan accept part of the blame for the war as he lumps together all "men of swords." Eowyn VERY properly rebukes him, saying, "It takes only one foe to breed a war, not two; and those who have no swords can still die on them." This was a splendid rebuttal to pacifistic idiots who accept the protection of their country's soldiers and then try to make those soldiers feel guilty for providing that protection.

But Jackson and Co., transplanting this bit of dialogue to the _movie_ of TT, erased the important first half of Eowyn's statement, and put a phrase about women in its place, redefining Eowyn's words as being _only_ about feminism. Which brings to mind an irony: many hard-leftwing feminists, who rejoiced at seeing Eowyn wield a sword on the screen, would nevertheless insist that the real-life Miranda Otto should NEVER be allowed to own a handgun to protect herself against the real-world equivalent of Orcs!
 
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