The Order of the Can III

Like that last crack about the Can and I? (Yeesh. Messenger is a completely different thing. And a person selected to communicate with . . . the more-or-less insane . . . must be quite sane herself in order to handle it all.)
 
how can the sane communicate with the insane? there can be no understanding between the two. so either they are both insane (a claim which you will reject, no doubt) or they are both sane (*evil laugh*). if the first is true, you can't judge yourself whether you're a queen or a duffer or whatever, because you're completely out of your mind (or your mind out of you, whichever), if the second, let us out of the insane asylum so that we may write completely sane and highly scientific books about why you must be a duffer.
cornered yet? :p
 
I question your first assumption--that the sane cannot communicate with the insane. I hold that only the sane can understand the condition of the insane and effectively communicate--just as only those who are awake can understand sleep.
 
i question that last claim. only while sleeping can you truly understand sleep, and although you can tell if a person is in the state of sleeping, you don't have insight into their mind at that time and what goes on inside.
same with insane people. they can't effectively communicate the sane what goes on in their minds (just as sleepers can't tell others about it while asleep), so the sane can never truly gain a sufficient insight.
now, what was my point again?

(and i knew you would pick up on that. :p)
 
No. I'm actually making the same point C. S. Lewis made in (I think) the Screwtape Letters--when you are asleep, or insane, or (in Lewis' application) in the natural, sinful state, you cannot understand the state you are in because you are in no condition for accurate thinking. Lewis was making the point that though Adam and Eve were able to experience sin, Satan's promise that they would be 'like God' in knowing good and evil was false, because as sinful creatures they were blinded to the kind of knowledge God has of sin. They had a sinner's understanding of sin, which Lewis compared to the sleeper's 'understanding' of sleep. It's only when we wake up, or are saved, that we fully understand the nature of sleep, or of sin.
 
although you make an excellent point, miss helmet, i still don't quite agree.
say for example, lieke has never slept in her life, due to large intakes of coffee. now she tells you, derny,(who has slept for hours and hours) that she knows all about sleeping although she never actually did sleep.
wouldn't you disagree with her? although we as sleepers can't quite say what happens when we sleep, we know intuitively that something happens, which neither the outsider nor the insider can describe accurately. so, the waking person has knowledge that the sleeping person can probably not understand, because he is currently dreaming about cookies, and the sleeping person has knowledge that the sane can't understand because the sleeping person can't communicate it to the waking person in their sleep. thus, i conclude: derny is a duffer.


(c'mon, you knew i would... :p)
 
So the real question boils down to whose analogy is right, eh? I suggest we settle this the old-fashioned way. Thumb war tomorrow. Winner takes all. Loser is pushed off the nearest cliff (gently, of course, so as not to hurt the cliff).
 
rofl. derny, you were right. he does have a talent for an anti-climax.

alright, thumb war! (and you will never beat my thumbs, because i have the coolest thumbs in all the world (honest! they are special!). they're opposable, meaning that they fear no thumb war opposition. fear the thumbs.)
 
A thumb war solves nothing. It does not give accurate information about who is in the right. :rolleyes:
 
Where do centuries come into the picture? The mass of humanity will rarely be a good example--so don't bother trying to find precedent for doing the right thing. :p
 
wouldn't it have to be the mass of wizards? but most of them aren't serial killers, well the ones I know.......so that means that oly is going to be a serial killer....o.o....*hides behind juice*
 
but-but.....derny! you started it!..or...was it oly?...oh goodness, I don't remember. All I know is that this juice doesn't like me anymore...T_T....*goes to hide behind apple*
 
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