What are your fears about VODT?

I hope they don't exaggerate the romance between King Caspian and Ramandu's daughter. I also hope they don't put any random romances involving Edmund...for some reason I get the feeling they are going to do that:mad:
 
I-Love-Edmund said:
I hope they don't exaggerate the romance between King Caspian and Ramandu's daughter. I also hope they don't put any random romances involving Edmund...for some reason I get the feeling they are going to do that:mad:
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Oh, yikes! I didn't even think of that ... a romance for Ed? That would be awful!!!
 
I don't know abou Ed... who could they possibly get him to flirt with? What other girl is there in the whole storyline where he could do that? At least the Caspian/Susan flirt was between two characters who really were in the story.
 
Truman said:
I don't know abou Ed... who could they possibly get him to flirt with? What other girl is there in the whole storyline where he could do that? At least the Caspian/Susan flirt was between two characters who really were in the story.
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wel.. there are the mere-girls, and the girl with freckles who squints...uh, I think that's it. Oh, wait and Lucy ( his sister) and R's daughter.
 
I don't think ALL filmmakers/ companies choose to make books into films simply because it'll be good money. There are some who honestly want to bring books to life in a way that will make everybody happy (nearly everybody anyways). And, it isn't necessarily the end of the series. The BBCs look old and borish from what I've seen of them (making me not want to see them in entirety in the first place). For example, I have the complete Narnia radio drama series done by Focus on the FAmily. And I love them, BUT I know what happens in them because they're nearly word-for-word from the books; and it's nothing new or exciting. While I want the film(s) to be close(r) to the books, I also don't want them EXACTLY like the books. Otherwise, there is no point in making the films.

And, you know, there is no shame in liking PC just as a film itself. Not as a book adaption, nothing. 4 out of the 8 Love Comes Softly films I really like, not because they're good book adaptions (because they're not) but because they're pretty good films all around. There is a point where fandom reaches the limits. I almost never hear any griping about HP or Twilight. NEVER. (Not that I care). If you're going to point out faults of one series, point it out in another, even if you love the films. Then, and only then will there be fairness. I'm glad that I am one of the few who is willing to give the makers of this film a chance. I am NOT judging them by pictures, information, or whatnot until I see the final result. I will not judge them because I have no place to. I won't say not to complain or gripe, because that's y'all's right. I am just saying that we have almost no idea what's going on set right now, or what's in those people's heads. ;) YOu are free to respond negatively, but I would prefer it within PM or VM to avoid fights with other people.
 
Truman said:
I don't know about Ed... who could they possibly get him to flirt with? What other girl is there in the whole storyline where he could do that? At least the Caspian/Susan flirt was between two characters who really were in the story.
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I don't know, but you know how writers can pull stuff out of nowhere (just look at PC). There is a part of the book where Caspian stays with the Lord Bern and his wife and daughters before freeing his friends (Edmund, Lucy, and Reepicheep), maybe they will screw that scene up where Caspian gets rid of the governor first, frees his friends, and then they all stay with Bern and his family, and while there they make Edmund have a fling with one of the daughters...That would be really annoying if they did that, but it just sounds like something they would do...
 
Sounds like something most hollywood types would do, but not necessarily these. Must we judge every person by everybody else? It's pretty much a whole new crew working on this, so I think we should give them ALL the benefit of the doubt. And what would Edmund flirting with somebody contribute to the story? If something doesn't contribute to the story, slows it down, etc... they aren't going to put it in. The only reason I think they stuck in Caspian/Susan was to set up maybe why Susan stopped believing in Narnia. Otherwise, it serves no purpose...but I have to think that they were looking ahead to The Last Battle.
 
I-Love-Edmund said:
I don't know, but you know how writers can pull stuff out of nowhere (just look at PC).
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Actually... no. All the characters in the PC movie were from the book, and they didn't add any extra characters. So, if they do the same with VDT, there won't be anyone for Ed to flirt with simply because he's never in contact with any girls besides Lucy... And I'm positive they won't go with any incest. ;)
Aravis Kenobi said:
The only reason I think they stuck in Caspian/Susan was to set up maybe why Susan stopped believing in Narnia. Otherwise, it serves no purpose...but I have to think that they were looking ahead to The Last Battle.
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You know, that makes a lot of sense. :)
 
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Well, I guess what I am getting at is that, it's not like the scripts will write themselves. The writers, if they are smart, will learn from the mistakes of PC (so-called mistakes, I should say), and they will write a good script for the fans. Now, y'all are acting like the characters will do anything they want; that's true, but only if the writers stick it in. The characters will only do and say what the writers write, and how the director directs them. The characters don't have a mind of their own. ;)
 
Truman said:
So, if they do the same with VDT, there won't be anyone for Ed to flirt with simply because he's never in contact with any girls besides Lucy... And I'm positive they won't go with any incest. ;)
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I certainly hope they don't...though it would be an unexpected twist. I'd be more worried about a Eustace/Lucy romance. They may not make him a cousin, or they could act like being a cousin isnt too big of a deal or whatever.
 
Again, what would Eustace not being their cousin contribute to the story? Not much. There is no reason for them to write him out as their cousin, and, how will they explain Lucy and Ed staying in his home? It would make absolutely no sense, and it'd create a much bigger problem for the story if they didn't have the family relation there. (Something they would studiously avoid in order to not confuse the audience, the cast, and themselves)
 
That is the problem, that the characters can only be and do whatever the writers write. The writers could decide that Edmund needs a romantic interest, heck they might even make the girl who "squints and has freckles" his girlfriend!!:eek:

I do not think, however, that they will add a silly romance between Lucy and Eustace by not making Eustace her cousin! That would be a serious departure from the story.
 
How could Edmund have a romance (or interest) in the girl that Caspian turned down??? She was in Narnia, FAR AWAY from the Dawn Treader when Ed, Lucy and Eustace got swept into Narnia. That doesn't even makes sense, IMO.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
How could Edmund have a romance (or interest) in the girl that Caspian turned down??? She was in Narnia, FAR AWAY from the Dawn Treader when Ed, Lucy and Eustace got swept into Narnia. That doesn't even makes sense, IMO.
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Of course it doesn't make sense! If before PC I had told you that Peter was going to act like a jerk and that he and Caspian would get at each other's faces and even draw swords against each other you would have said that the writers could never do that. Yet that is exactly what they did. Remember AK that just because something doesn't make sense to us fans, it doesn't mean that would stop the writers. So what's to stop them from doing what I just said? Us? The book? Doug Gresham?

This is why I made this thread, there are a lot of things the writers could put into the movie that will turn it into another PC disaster!
 
Well as I said before, the majority of the Narnia fans would disagree it was a bad change/bad movie; the statistics dictate so.
 
Truman said:
Well as I said before, the majority of the Narnia fans would disagree it was a bad change/bad movie; the statistics dictate so.
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Absolutely. Outside of the people who are still seething over it ( :rolleyes: ), most everybody was pleased with it. The problem with the box office that it had was the lack of publicity, advertising, and all around negative comments coming from...who else? The fans. I think that was a big part of it; everybody heard that it was awful (because the fans were mad) and they didn't go see it in theaters. It's really being a poor sport when you're telling people something is bad when only you found something wrong with it.

And no, BK, I would not have said what you think I might have. I see why they changed it, and I liked it. I felt like it gave us a more realistic view of human beings. While Narnia is treated as a fantasy, it's also more of a crossover; "modern" people put into a world that is medieval. I'm sorry, but some of the ideals Lewis put forth aren't realistic...especially growing up in a modern society. Especially when you're a teenager.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
And no, BK, I would not have said what you think I might have. I see why they changed it, and I liked it. I felt like it gave us a more realistic view of human beings. While Narnia is treated as a fantasy, it's also more of a crossover; "modern" people put into a world that is medieval. I'm sorry, but some of the ideals Lewis put forth aren't realistic...especially growing up in a modern society. Especially when you're a teenager.
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I definitely agree with you here about the fantasy, modern society and today's teens. Of course they had to make a movie for them, for all of you who liked it.

What I disagree with is that being a jerk and fighting is a "more realistic view of human beings." By that statement, only fighting jerks act human. What about humans who still believe in honor, respect, respect for authority, chivalry, submission, and all of the other admirable qualities that C.S Lewis put into his characters? Are they less human and less real than the jerks?

Just because we hardly see those qualities in "modern society" doesn't mean they are dead or they are old fashion and useless. It is because "modern society" has discounted these values that Lewis made a point to put them into his characters. But of course, modern society and modern society's writers have a different view. This is why I said that nothing will stop the writers from putting whatever "modern" ideas they come up with in the movie. And everyone who liked PC will also love VODT.

And I have said this before but I'll say it again. Just because MORE people liked it it doesn't mean it's right. The crowd can also be wrong!
 
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I need to learn to add more to my posts, but that's hard to do when I think of it afterwards. ;) When I said realistic, I didn't mean that jerks are the best kinds of people or whatnot. What I meant was that it seems a little silly that Peter would just hand over his throne (more or less) to Caspian...he didn't even know Caspian for goodness' sake! With Peter being a teenager, and being a former/current High King, it seems that it'd be very difficult, even for the most noblest of people, to give up that kind of leadership. Of course, they could have had Peter just get along with Caspian...but to me, there needed to be some kind of friction there. While I don't know this, and I'm just throwing this in, perhaps Peter's attitude (toward Caspian) was partly because of Susan.

Wrong in whose eyes, BK? The movie-going crowd ARE the majority. Whether any of the fans like it or not, THEY, the majority will decide how well a film does. How many people do you think saw LWW in theaters? Take whatever you think that number might be, and separate out how many had read the book and how many did not. They're wrong in your eyes because you can't enjoy it for the sole reason that it didn't meet your criteria, and they liked the film because it was a good film. I can guarantee you that a bunch of people who saw the film had never read the book or even heard of it. So, while it may make the fans happy to be close to the book(s), those fans make up a small part of the movie-watching world.
 
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