You know its easy to criticize movie Peter when watching the film but...

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That's exactly how I feel. He did stop throwing fits, but that doesn't mean anything is actually resolved.

I have PC on DVD too. It's okay as a movie, and there are parts that I genuinely love. But there are some scenes that I always skip because it just makes me sick to watch it.
 
"For one thing, Peter had much more of a responsibility to take care of everyone else. For another, in the movie Peter seemed like he missed Narnia a bit more than everyone else. As for his temper, that kind of goes with being a war veteran."

Sir Tom, we know that Peter, Edmund, and Lucy were all war veterans. Susan may have been as well. As for Peter having more responsibility, he had to make the final decisions, but the other ones were not carefree. They all were kings and queens and all had theor own potentially onerous responsibilies that come with that title. Heck, Lucy was known as "the Valiant" and Edmund was "the Just". These were monikers they earned so Lucy was a valiant queen and Edmund proved himself to be a just king.

As for missing Narnia, it was simply Peter in the movie that couldn't get over the idea of having left, not that he missed it more than his siblings. Lucy would have been the one who missed Aslan the most.

"I think that the reason that people didn't like the Peter/Caspian stuff is that their characters were not even close to the characters that Lewis wrote."

Queen Wylla, that is so true. You will notice the negative changes more than the positive changes. The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

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MrBob said:
"I think that the reason that people didn't like the Peter/Caspian stuff is that their characters were not even close to the characters that Lewis wrote."

Queen Wylla, that is so true. You will notice the negative changes more than the positive changes. The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
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Right! It is how life is. When giving feedback about someone or something it is easy to just list all the negatives we have to work hard to find positives. It is human arrogance, we don't like looking at our falts but we do like looking at others because it makes us feel good. At least that is what I think. Anyway that was kind of off topic... :eek:
 
Anyway, it seems we're on even terms, and I have too much other stuff on my mind to care about this subject much anymore. Thus, I shall leave this thread behind. Have fun everyone!

Don't worry, I'll still be on the forum, so I'm not gone for good or anything.
 
Right! It is how life is. When giving feedback about someone or something it is easy to just list all the negatives we have to work hard to find positives. It is human arrogance, we don't like looking at our falts but we do like looking at others because it makes us feel good. At least that is what I think. Anyway that was kind of off topic...
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I AGREE WITH YOU, CUZ!!! All everyone is noticing is what Peter, and Caspian even, did wrong, not what they did right!! They both did things right in that movie, and Peter did change.
Peter's change is evident in the end, as is Caspians. I feel like Peter did not have to formally apologize for what he did, partly because Aslan already forgave him, and partly because he sort of apologized when he started doing things better and not making so many mistakes.. And how you guys can say that he complained and was upset in the end is beyond me, because he is not..
 
What you don't seem to realize is just HOW BAD Peter's behavior was. I agree that we should look for positives. But in this case, the negatives waaay outweigh the positives. And most of the positives are pretty shallow.

Believe me, I've tried it. I used to try to defend Peter, because I wanted so badly to like the movie. But I've finally come to full realization that it's okay for his behavior to keep me from fully enjoying the movie.
 
Well, it is not like he murdered anyone, stole from anyone, committed adultury, or anything of that sort. That is what I call bad, not being slightly prideful though that is also a sin in and of itself. He is doing all for Narnia and to save everyone from being subject to whatever Caspian's mistakes might bring. You all are blaming Peter for Caspian's mistakes. Who was it who almost brought the witch back before Peter came to the rescue? Who was it who pulled his sword at or attacked Peter twice in the movie? Who was it who ruined the Castle Raid? Who was it who only thought of himself and revenge?
 
QueenLucyTheValient said:
I AGREE WITH YOU, CUZ!!! All everyone is noticing is what Peter, and Caspian even, did wrong, not what they did right!! They both did things right in that movie, and Peter did change.
Peter's change is evident in the end, as is Caspians. I feel like Peter did not have to formally apologize for what he did, partly because Aslan already forgave him, and partly because he sort of apologized when he started doing things better and not making so many mistakes.. And how you guys can say that he complained and was upset in the end is beyond me, because he is not..
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Yes I thought the change was there in both of them before the final battle. After the incident with the White Witch I think Peter realized how he had been acting. Peter took Caspian's duel idea and Caspian didn't push to be the one to duel, even when Caspian brought it up he was acting with more respect towards Peter. Even though it was at pretty much the very end Peter giving Caspian his sword was, in my oppinion, Peter's appology. Caspian's comment about taking car of it until Peter returnes is also, again in my oppinon, an appology.
 
Of course, Peter could have acted far worse. Had he done any of these things, I would have boycotted the movie entirely. ;) But pride is sinful too, and is FAR below Peter in his circumstances.

Yet again, I know Caspian was at fault. But that does not make Peter's sin any less.

Note: Peter DID NOT come to the rescue. Edmund did.
 
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Well, it is not like he murdered anyone, stole from anyone, committed adultury, or anything of that sort. That is what I call bad, not being slightly prideful though that is also a sin in and of itself. He is doing all for Narnia and to save everyone from being subject to whatever Caspian's mistakes might bring. You all are blaming Peter for Caspian's mistakes. Who was it who almost brought the witch back before Peter came to the rescue? Who was it who pulled his sword at or attacked Peter twice in the movie? Who was it who ruined the Castle Raid? Who was it who only thought of himself and revenge?
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Very true! But let's not blame Caspian totaly for Peter's mistakes either. Caspian might have messed things up but Peter was still trying to prove something in the battle raid which was his mistake.
 
well, peter did come to the rescue before edmund. he put himself in the 'line of fire' so to speak.
He risked himself for Narnia on numerous occasions.

@QW-right, sorry. :p PEter was with fault, but some of his faults were caused by some of Caspians... That was what I was trying to say.
 
Sort of. He did shove Caspian out of the way, but it never struck me as particularly heroic. I think it might be best if we discussed another moment in the movie. This is harder to figure out, since the enchantment also played a part. I can't criticize him for listening to the white witch or anything because of it.
 
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Sort of. He did shove Caspian out of the way, but it never struck me as particularly heroic. I think it might be best if we discussed another moment in the movie. This is harder to figure out, since the enchantment also played a part. I can't criticize him for listening to the white witch or anything because of it.
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What Peter actually did in the `Witch`s Return` scene was like seeing someone standing directly in the path of a speeding truck, pushing them out of the way and ending up in front of it instead!
I don`t think he gets enough credit for what he does there.
As for `listening` to her, anyone inside that circle is TRAPPED there and dosn`t have the option. What Peter as actually doing is keeping Jadis`s full attention on him and holding on, giving Edmund the chance to get behind her!
 
AsbelMctalisker said:
What Peter actually did in the `Witch`s Return` scene was like seeing someone standing directly in the path of a speeding truck, pushing them out of the way and ending up in front of it instead!
I don`t think he gets enough credit for what he does there.
As for `listening` to her, anyone inside that circle is TRAPPED there and dosn`t have the option. What Peter as actually doing is keeping Jadis`s full attention on him and holding on, giving Edmund the chance to get behind her!
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Okay, so I guess it wasn't Peter's fault. But I don't think he was trying to serve as a distraction, if I remember correctly he was shocked and surprised when Edmund bust the "glass".
 
Putting aside the Sorcery and Sudden Vengeance scene, which I still maintain that Peter does bear blame for stepping into the circle because he had encountered the witch's minions before and knew how they worked. I want to address the post about Peter not committing a horrible sin like murder.

I had a great post last night to address this matter but sadly my internet connection failed right before i could post it. I will try to recreate it to the best of my ability.

There is a reason why pride is considered one of the seven deadly sins. Its manifestation can cause someone to break all of the 10 Commandments and it was actually the first sin ever commited by Mankind. And Peter's pride is no different from any other. Peter's pride did in essence cause murders; it caused a massacre. Caspian was at fault too, but Peter knew that it was too late to bring in the rest of the invasion party and yet he still did and that got a whole ton of Narnians killed including Glenstorm's son. He knowingly led them into trap.

Forgive the analogy for those who are not completely up to speed on American History. What Peter did in the night raid is very similar to Lt. Col. Custer's fiasco at Little Bighorn. He attacked Miraz's Castle underestimating the number of gaurds who would be there; Custer attacked a native american village whose numbers were underestimated. Both attacks resulted in Massacres. The main differences in the two battles is that Custer is said to have defied orders in the battle and he died before he had to face up to what he caused.

Had Custer lived through the battle, he would have been court-marshalled. He would have been tried for the murders of his men and held culpable for them. As it is the only thing that prevented a formal inquiry and public post-humus disgrace at the time was sympathy for his widow. Custer, like Peter, was in a large part responsible for the murders of his men he only escaped punishment by his death.

Peter's pride is no better than Custer's. His pride was nearly the downfall of Narnia and the continued persecution of any that had escaped Miraz's wrath.
 
Good Post Lava! This is why I really don't like that they added that how raid into the movie. It was a massacre Peter could have and should have avoided. But like you said his pride got in the way.
 
There is a reason why pride is considered one of the seven deadly sins. Its manifestation can cause someone to break all of the 10 Commandments and it was actually the first sin ever commited by Mankind. And Peter's pride is no different from any other. Peter's pride did in essence cause murders; it caused a massacre. Caspian was at fault too, but Peter knew that it was too late to bring in the rest of the invasion party and yet he still did and that got a whole ton of Narnians killed including Glenstorm's son. He knowingly led them into trap.

Peter's pride is no better than Custer's. His pride was nearly the downfall of Narnia and the continued persecution of any that had escaped Miraz's wrath.
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Yes, pride is a terrible sin. I admit that. I feel that he did the whole raid because he felt that he could fix the whole thing. He obviously could not, but he thought that he could. I admit that once you put that spin on the whole thing it does seem like a poor decision!
 
QueenLucyTheValient said:
Yes, pride is a terrible sin. I admit that. I feel that he did the whole raid because he felt that he could fix the whole thing. He obviously could not, but he thought that he could. I admit that once you put that spin on the whole thing it does seem like a poor decision!
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Yes! I agree I also love how Lucy constantly (if memory serves correct) places her comments about faith and Aslan to him.(maybe to try to gently remind him, now the effectiveness....)
 
Yes. I loved how Lucy kept reminding him about Aslan. It was perfect, and it showed that she believed, even when her brother did not. Peter should have believed, but he did not. That was his weakness, not pride. He did not believe that Aslan would come, since Aslan had not come before they did. That is probably worse than pride, but he did believe in the end, the way he used to. That was my favorite part.
 
Yes that was really good. It makes me think of the song I Will Believe by Nichole Nordeman in the Music Inspired By the Chronicals of Narnia where she says about Lucy "The last but not least of us has faith enough for each of us."
 
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