You know its easy to criticize movie Peter when watching the film but...

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MrBob said:
"With the two older Pevensies having problems adapting back to their old lives in England while the two younger were better able to just slip back in to their childhoods and accept things."

Asbel, the only one who was having problems was Peter. Susan seemed to be adapting very well. In fact, I would argue that Susan seems to take the longest to adapt, both in Narnia and back in England, but once she does, she is the most at home. That is why it was more jarring for Susan to be in Narnia again.

Movie Peter was having the hardest time because he didn't want to be in England. He was acting out terribly as a spoiled child, not as a king.

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I think that you're right about Susan. I didn't like her character in PC, but regardless, you are correct.
 
Sopespian said:
Thus leading to my pet name for him throughout the first half of the movie: Brat King.
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Hey! What makes you think he's a brat? He was just trying to gain control and he was unsure of making the right move without Aslan's guidance. You heard him when he was talking to Lucy, "Why didn't I see him, too?" He believed her, but he just didn't see him. Why did he believe her? Because he needed Aslan. Why don't you all see that? Peter is not the Narnian Bad-boy of the movie! Maybe he and Caspian blew up on each other after the raid because they were tired and upset. You all know after you've stayed up most of the night, not necessarily on a night raid, but in the morning, you're so tired you could pretty much drop dead.
 
That's beside the point. The point is that they took "creative licence" against the original story. Have you even read the book?
 
Queenkaty-I totally agree with you on everything you said!!!!!!

Aravan- it is most definitely not beside the point, but right on it. I know I am going to get seriously criticized and people already hate me but it is worth it to say that I feel that whenever you all (against moviepeter) have someone who disagrees with you, you down them immediately. I really do not care if you all hate me for this, but it is really getting on my nerves, and I think you all might need to think about how you come across. Also, when you called me on my 'rudeness' I apologized and feel so awful about it, but when I call you all on it, you deny it and criticize me for even suggesting that you were offending me. :( I apologize if that makes anyone angry, but it needs to be said.
 
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I for one do not hate you, and I doubt anyone else here does either. You're entitled to your opinion, as long as I am.
 
Right no one hates anyone, and no one is being rude to anyone. If you think that, maybe you take your opinions too personally?
 
HighQueenKaty said:
Hey! What makes you think he's a brat? He was just trying to gain control and he was unsure of making the right move without Aslan's guidance. You heard him when he was talking to Lucy, "Why didn't I see him, too?" He believed her, but he just didn't see him. Why did he believe her? Because he needed Aslan. Why don't you all see that? Peter is not the Narnian Bad-boy of the movie! Maybe he and Caspian blew up on each other after the raid because they were tired and upset. You all know after you've stayed up most of the night, not necessarily on a night raid, but in the morning, you're so tired you could pretty much drop dead.
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If you compare book Peter to movie Peter, you'd see that they're two entirely different characters (though personally, I have no issue with movie Peter). You're saying pretty much the same things I said a few months ago, but most of the people here greatly dislike Peter's character in the film. They see it, but they don't believe that's a justification for Peter's character change. This is where you agree to disagree about points of view on things.

Arvan said:
That's beside the point. The point is that they took "creative licence" against the original story. Have you even read the book?
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Yup, BUT, if Peter's character change had been the only liberty, the film would have still been better.

Arvan said:
I for one do not hate you, and I doubt anyone else here does either. You're entitled to your opinion, as long as I am.
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Yes, true. Everyone is entitled to an opinion: popular or not. As long as it's voiced respectfully.
 
yea, sorry. :o I overreacted.. I was slightly upset about something else, and it came out on this.. :( sorry. But I am serious when I say
Also, when you called me on my 'rudeness' I apologized and feel so awful about it, but when I call you all on it, you deny it and criticize me for even suggesting that you were offending me.
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cause it seems to be true..

back on track.. BookPeter and MoviePeter are actually a bit more similar than you would think. I actually read the books quite frequently, and i remember reading and realizing just how similar bookpeter and moviepeter are. Yes, bookpeter apologises, but only after he saw Aslan did he actually say he was sorry, whereas moviepeter even apologised befor seeing Aslan!!! Just a thought. :)
 
Not so, because Peter in the book didn't get into fistfights like the Peter in the movie. He didn't assume himself still king of Narnia in the book; he did so in the film. He told Caspian in the book that they "hadn't come to take him out of it, you know, but rather to put you into it", meaning the throne of Narnia rightfully belonged to Caspian. Movie Peter didn't recognize that. And a lot of Narnians died because of it.
 
yes, but bookpeter and moviepeter both had a bit of a hard time with believing lucy, for one.. For another, both of them did not listen to others opinion... :o it has been a while since I read that one cause its not my favorite. :)

you are right, though. I think moviepeter was okay, and I enjoyed it cause it was an 'interesting artistic interpritation' of Peter's character. ;)
 
"Yes, bookpeter apologises, but only after he saw Aslan did he actually say he was sorry, whereas moviepeter even apologised befor seeing Aslan!!! "

QueenLucy, as Aravis alluded to, book Peter didn't have anything to apologize for. He didn't even disbelieve Lucy. He hated that he was going against what she stated, but he had to be the tie breaker. "I know Lucy may be right after all..." is how Peter began his decision in the book. I don't think movie Peter had that kind of open accepting of opposing opinions until after the failed raid.

And here is something to cheer you up, QueenLucy:


MrBob
 
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Arvan said:
That's beside the point. The point is that they took "creative licence" against the original story. Have you even read the book?
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Yes, I have, but I do not want to do it again. I didn't quite pay attention to Peter's character, or I don't remember it, but I suppose they seem a bit different. But, nevermind. Movie Peter is out of Narnia for good now, isn't he? Apparently VDT is based on his absence.
 
Ok, so glancing through the last 30 or so pages I find that we are all still talking about the same things.
And I must remind y'all that the movie makers try to stay close to the book but they are also making the movie for MONEY that is what it is all about. And sad to say lots of movie goers these days are not looking for role models they are looking for people to relate to and so that is what the makers of the movie gave them.
Now I like bookpeter and moviepeter, I have never been a big fan of the book Prince Caspian I don't know why really but I've never really liked it.
And again the night raid and the after math of it seem to be a big deal because of what Peter and Caspian do.
Now from those who do not like Peter at all it sounds as if you feel that he doesn't feel sad or sorry at all, next time you watch it look at his face before he rides away from the gate, that is pure pain on his face he is heartbroken that so many are dying and that I think is why he blew his top when they came back was because of what he saw and knowing that it was partly his fault and not wanting to believe that it was.
And MissReepicheep he does completely change in the end.

Farther back I can't remember where or who said it but someone said that they thought Aslan told Peter he couldn't come back because he was upset with him THAT IS NOT WHY!!!
And when Peter is giving up his sword he says "WE are not needed any more" referring to all four of them not just him! And of course his said that he has to leave Narnia for good who wouldn't be!
I just recently watched the movie and still really enjoy it and I think I can watch it without any dislike for it because of the way I watched my very first time.

I went to see it on opening day with my family and best friend and both my friend and I went in knowing that it was nothing like the book and that Caspian and Susan kiss and all that stuff and so we were able to watch it just as a movie. After words we were the only ones that really enjoyed it.

And personally I can relate to Peter very well and understand his anger.

Another thing that bothered me was that some of you keep saying
"I would never do that, I would never act like Peter, I would never be a jerk" and so on and so forth. Of course you wouldn't because YOU are not PETER no matter what his character is like be it bookpeter or moviepeter.
 
Another thing that bothered me was that some of you keep saying
"I would never do that, I would never act like Peter, I would never be a jerk" and so on and so forth. Of course you wouldn't because YOU are not PETER no matter what his character is like be it bookpeter or moviepeter.
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Precisely. I'm NOT like Peter. I'm a highschooler; he's an intellectually mature adult trapped in a teenager's body. I have much more propensity to be a jerk than he should!
 
Thats not what I meant I was saying that it annoyed me that you were making it sound like Peter was a complete jerk (even though he wasn't) and you would do everything perfectly!
 
Ok, so glancing through the last 30 or so pages I find that we are all still talking about the same things.
And I must remind y'all that the movie makers try to stay close to the book but they are also making the movie for MONEY that is what it is all about. And sad to say lots of movie goers these days are not looking for role models they are looking for people to relate to and so that is what the makers of the movie gave them.
Now I like bookpeter and moviepeter, I have never been a big fan of the book Prince Caspian I don't know why really but I've never really liked it.
And again the night raid and the after math of it seem to be a big deal because of what Peter and Caspian do.
Now from those who do not like Peter at all it sounds as if you feel that he doesn't feel sad or sorry at all, next time you watch it look at his face before he rides away from the gate, that is pure pain on his face he is heartbroken that so many are dying and that I think is why he blew his top when they came back was because of what he saw and knowing that it was partly his fault and not wanting to believe that it was.
And MissReepicheep he does completely change in the end.

Farther back I can't remember where or who said it but someone said that they thought Aslan told Peter he couldn't come back because he was upset with him THAT IS NOT WHY!!!
And when Peter is giving up his sword he says "WE are not needed any more" referring to all four of them not just him! And of course his said that he has to leave Narnia for good who wouldn't be!
I just recently watched the movie and still really enjoy it and I think I can watch it without any dislike for it because of the way I watched my very first time.

I went to see it on opening day with my family and best friend and both my friend and I went in knowing that it was nothing like the book and that Caspian and Susan kiss and all that stuff and so we were able to watch it just as a movie. After words we were the only ones that really enjoyed it.

And personally I can relate to Peter very well and understand his anger.

Another thing that bothered me was that some of you keep saying
"I would never do that, I would never act like Peter, I would never be a jerk" and so on and so forth. Of course you wouldn't because YOU are not PETER no matter what his character is like be it bookpeter or moviepeter.
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Thats not what I meant I was saying that it annoyed me that you were making it sound like Peter was a complete jerk (even though he wasn't) and you would do everything perfectly!
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EXACTLY!!!!! I agree with you about everything you said!! :D especially the last one. It bugs me that y'all are basically saying that you would handle things perfectly, when in reality, no one is perfect, not even a fictional character. CS Lewis showed that a little in PC, but the movie makers expanded on that. You, Aslan's Messenger, make some VERY good points, and I agree with you on all of them. ;) Besides, it feels good to have someone help me defend my opinion.
 
I think part of the problem, or difficulty, was that Peter doesn't have much of a character arc in the book. Which is fine--PC is about Caspian's character arc, mostly, with a little bit on faith with Lucy and Susan; the A plot is Narnia's renewal, and it is a short book, so the Pevensie brothers get a little shafted. Peter, I suppose, has that moment in the woods, but he doesn't get much development outside of that--I think both because we're supposed to imagine he's grown enough and because Peter never gets much development at all. But then when PC got turned into a film, I think they wanted to expand the story, and trying to give the Pevensies bigger arcs was part of that. I feel like we could have given all Peter's screentime to Lucy and been MUCH BETTER OFF, but whatever.
 
Aslans Messenger said:
Thats not what I meant I was saying that it annoyed me that you were making it sound like Peter was a complete jerk (even though he wasn't) and you would do everything perfectly!
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If I did imply that, I am very sorry. I don't think that I would do everything perfectly. But Peter should have behaved better regardless. Like I said, he's an intellectually mature adult trapped in a teenager's body.
 
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