You know its easy to criticize movie Peter when watching the film but...

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QLtV, I neither intended to be rude nor do I see any of what I said as rude. I am very sorry that you see rudeness and sarcasm in my words. I wrote it the way I would speak and yes I do say things like Jolly sight and heaven forbid. I was trying to defend why I brought LWW up in a thread about PC. I allowed that there are differing opinions than mine (in saying that some might rather see it as Peter saying "Aslan is not coming to help" rather than him not believing).

I also wrote it like I would have written an essay in that I backed up my points with quotes from the movie though I did not properly cite them. Having just come out of college, I am still very much stuck in my ways about having to support everything I have written with sources and facts.

I must say that I do not appreciate you forum-yelling at me. Just as you are entitled to express your opinions, so too am I. I do not forum-yell or call you rude because you express yourself forcefully(which you do). Maybe if this discussion cannot remain civil we need to apply to the mods to lock the thread.
 
I must say that I do not appreciate you forum-yelling at me. Just as you are entitled to express your opinions, so too am I. I do not forum-yell or call you rude because you express yourself forcefully(which you do). Maybe if this discussion cannot remain civil we need to apply to the mods to lock the thread.
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OHNO!! I am so sorry that it came across that way!!!! :eek: I did not mean it that way at all!! I was just trying to emphasize some of my points!! I am so sorry!! And I was not just implying you when I said that I felt that some were getting rude, though maybe if i get offended, I should just keep it to myself, cause everyone seems to take it the wrong way. :( And with the 'expressing myself forcefully' I guess I do it because I feel that it is the only way I will get my point across because some people I know tend to do the same thing (express themselves in a way that seems to be forcing their opinion on me.) that is why I get so defensive and 'forceful' in my arguments. I guess I will have to work on making my arguments less forceful. I agree with you all on some of the points you have made on PC but I just don't understand the ones you are making on the LWW part. I apologize again for the forum-yelling. I honestly was not aware that that was how it came across. I guess I shall have to wait to post things until after I am mad (when I am not mad)... :eek: sorry again. I have been trying to post less in here, cause I know that I will just get mad, so maybe I should just quit altogether. The only reason I have not, in fact, is because 1) I am the only person who is currently defending moviepeter, and 2) I find the whole argument intriguing. I apologize again for offending you.
 
I don't think anyone is really being rude; someone with no investment in whether Peter was a jerk or not would not even understand why anyone would say that there was rudeness here. Thank you everyone for your continued civility.
 
First, Lava and QueenLucy, stand back and just read the messages. I have not read anything that would be rude into any of them.

Now to respond with a few things:

"In both movies, Peter is a jolly sight to keen on jumping into a fight over perceived disrespect."

More in PC than LWW, Lava. In LWW, Peter was less apt to fight and more apt to have reason to doubt himself and reacted in such a way. QueenLucy mentioned how much he had to deal with in LWW with his father at war, the four of them leaving hteir home and being told by his mother to take care of his siblings. He did have issues with himself. But then he became king above his siblings' roles as co-monarchs

In PC, he was more easily offended and reacted much worse. That was all over his anger over his perceied abandonment bY Aslan, not only of himself, but also of Narnia.

"All the while, comments like “We’re not heroes” and “Aslan, we’re not who you think we are” are saying I am too afraid to face my destiny. In the second movie he becomes overly brave as if he is compensating for the lack there-of in the first and it has the same effect of more people getting hurt or losing faith in him."

In LWW, his comments "We're not heroes" were completely appropriate. They were just four teens and preteens from London and were looked at many as the saviours of Narnia, the four who would fulfill the prophesy and take the thrones after getting rid of the present ruler. That would be overwhelming for anyone, much less a teenager.

I will agree that his actions were a bit of overcomepnsation, but it was for the lack of Aslan and Peter felt he was responsible for leading the Narnian army himself, not responsible for seeking Aslan, which is what Lucy wanted to do and was what they did in LWW.

"He did pull his sword at the river scene, he just did not lunge at the wolf. Reasoning: he had his sister on one side, telling him to listen to the wolf, and he had a beaver on the other side telling him not to listen to the wolf. He was put in a tricky predicament."

QueenLucy, there was a third issue going on. Killing another "person" is very hard to do and he was just a teenager who was unsure of the burdens placed upon him.

Regarding their monikers, I didn't like it that Aslan gave it to them, but understood that they wanted a way to put them in the movie. In the books, they earned the monikers after having ruled for years. The problems came in PC when neither Susan nor Peter really lived up to their title.

MrBob
 
Well written points, Lava. I agree with everything you wrote, particularly |#4 which I noticed from the first time I watched LWW.

~Lava~ said:
Regarding their monikers, I didn't like it that Aslan gave it to them, but understood that they wanted a way to put them in the movie. In the books, they earned the monikers after having ruled for years. The problems came in PC when neither Susan nor Peter really lived up to their title.
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The monikers did not need to be in the movie at all. They were never brought up ever in the subsequent books. Considering how much more significant material was removed/ changed from the books in the text-to-script conversion, spurious one-off titles that have no plot or character relevance and are not mentioned again in any of the sequels, should have been easy to leave on the cutting room floor.
 
Here is what William Moseley said about Peter in PC.

"he's got this inner battle going on, you know. He's really torn in himself, and I think that comes from not being a High King anymore, you know. He's back in England, nobody thinks he's a high king, I mean, he was in Narnia for 15 years, he comes back to Narnia and expects a parade with his name everywhere. He doesn't get that at all."

My thoughts are that I believe you may be underestimating how hard it would be in his position. I mean, he was high king, he had authority, be was respected, and he gets back to England and he does not get any of that. I mean, he got so used to it and it was just a part of who he was. It was probably like losing a part of himself! Remember that he went from being an adult to being a child. Basically he was an adult trapped in a Childs body, and he let the childish side of him take over, which was probably not hard.. He had lost all of the respect he had gained as high king, and he had lost all of his authority...
 
I like that statement Moseley made, and I think you're right, Valient. Peter's pride was shattered when he returned to Narnia because he was not really treated as king anymore, and he tried to shove his way back to being king when, ultimately, it was never to be that way again. Pride can be hard to swallow; that's what the character was going through.
 
I just don't understand what you're saying. The Narnians DID respect Peter, and they did honor him as their high king. The only dishonoring that happened came when he was acting up.
 
I think that the biggest problem with movie Peter was that he simply was not book Peter. Such a change is just not appropriate (in my opinion, which is worth little around here).

Peter really is an adult trapped in a kid's body, but the thing is, he acts more like an angsty teenager than someone fifteen years older than he looks. If Peter really was High King in Narnia for fifteen years, then he should be very mature and capable of accepting his fate. Lewis demonstrated this well, but Adamson and the screenwriters didn't understand this.
 
moonspinner, I just realied that you attributed my words to Lava in your last message.

"Remember that he went from being an adult to being a child. Basically he was an adult trapped in a Childs body, and he let the childish side of him take over, which was probably not hard.. He had lost all of the respect he had gained as high king, and he had lost all of his authority..."

And as I have stated, QueenLucy, all four siblings dealt with the same issue of going from adult royalty, repsected for their authority and how they treated everyone else to child back in England around people who knew nothing about Narnia or cared about them having been kings and queens. If anyone would have had the hardest time, it would have been Lucy. She goes from adult queen to preteen girl. She goes from a queen who fought in battles to a girl who has a bedtime.

MrBob
 
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I just don't understand what you're saying. The Narnians DID respect Peter, and they did honor him as their high king. The only dishonoring that happened came when he was acting up.
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That is true; I didn't consider that as much as I should have . All of them were honored when they returned to Narnia. There still seemed some to be hesitance among the Narnians, though, to follow Peter when Caspian was already leading. I know that Glenstorm, at least, seemed hesitant before he finally decided to follow Peter, even though that ended in disaster at the castle raid.

I'm surprised at how long this thread as lasted too XD
 
MrBob said:
And as I have stated, QueenLucy, all four siblings dealt with the same issue of going from adult royalty, repsected for their authority and how they treated everyone else to child back in England around people who knew nothing about Narnia or cared about them having been kings and queens. If anyone would have had the hardest time, it would have been Lucy. She goes from adult queen to preteen girl. She goes from a queen who fought in battles to a girl who has a bedtime.
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It seems though that the film makers were thinking the opposite.
With the two older Pevensies having problems adapting back to their old lives in England while the two younger were better able to just slip back in to their childhoods and accept things.
 
AsbelMctalisker said:
It seems though that the film makers were thinking the opposite.
With the two older Pevensies having problems adapting back to their old lives in England while the two younger were better able to just slip back in to their childhoods and accept things.
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Although I think that was unrealistic and poorly handled by the filmmakers, I am extremely glad that they did not mess up the characters of either Lucy or Edmund, since they are my favorites.
 
I`m not entirely sure about the `unrealistic` part but badly handled it certainly was!

More and more I`m thinking that a lot of the problems people have with this film can be blamed on some bad calls by the director.
 
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"With the two older Pevensies having problems adapting back to their old lives in England while the two younger were better able to just slip back in to their childhoods and accept things."

Asbel, the only one who was having problems was Peter. Susan seemed to be adapting very well. In fact, I would argue that Susan seems to take the longest to adapt, both in Narnia and back in England, but once she does, she is the most at home. That is why it was more jarring for Susan to be in Narnia again.

Movie Peter was having the hardest time because he didn't want to be in England. He was acting out terribly as a spoiled child, not as a king.

MrBob
 
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