Aslans Messenger
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True but even intellectually mature adults lose their tempers some times.
You know its easy to criticize movie Peter when watching the film but...
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Certainly! Intellectually mature adults will get themselves into jail. But Peter wasn't just an adult, he was one with great character- a hero. The movie robbed that from him. He acted childish. He didn't just lose his temper and apologize, he consistently behaved in a rude, demeaning, arrogant, self-centered way.
Oops. I forgot that I wasn't going to post here anymore because I always got mad. xD
MrBob
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"And personally I can relate to Peter very well and understand his anger."
Aslan's Messenger, you cant relate to Peter. He was a boy who fought in a war, became the High King, ruling wth his siblings as co-regents of a caountry for decades, then returning back to his own homeland as a kid again.
The first thing they did in the movie is to choose to make the Narnian memories vivid, in Peter especially, when living back in England. That would be one of two things: debilitating or immesely helpful. Since the reason for entering Narnia in the books was to make the children better, the debilitating aspect of the memories would not be consistent.
Edmund matured from a bully pre-LWW to a thoughtful boy post-LWW. Why did Peter go from a great older sibling in LWW to someone with an anger problem in PC?
MrBob
Aslan's Messenger, you cant relate to Peter. He was a boy who fought in a war, became the High King, ruling wth his siblings as co-regents of a caountry for decades, then returning back to his own homeland as a kid again.
The first thing they did in the movie is to choose to make the Narnian memories vivid, in Peter especially, when living back in England. That would be one of two things: debilitating or immesely helpful. Since the reason for entering Narnia in the books was to make the children better, the debilitating aspect of the memories would not be consistent.
Edmund matured from a bully pre-LWW to a thoughtful boy post-LWW. Why did Peter go from a great older sibling in LWW to someone with an anger problem in PC?
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QueenLucyTheValient
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Sorry, but, MRBOB, I think Aslans Messenger knows who she can relate to, and quite honestly, I can relate to Peter as well. Yes, I have not been through everything that this fictional character did, but there are certain things that I can relate to, such as his responsibility over his siblings, and some of the anger ( only a couple of the things I can relate him with..)
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Just so you know, Aslan's Messenger is a girl...
I think that may be part of what Mr. Bob's statement stems from.
QueenLucyTheValient
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Just so you know, Aslan's Messenger is a girl...
I think that may be part of what Mr. Bob's statement stems from.
i feel so stupid now. Im going to go edit my post now. But seriously, so am I, and I can relate to Peter. Besides, when you dont know the gender of someone or something, it is grammatically correct to use HE. in my defense, cause I seriously feel stupid right now...
Aslans Messenger
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Mr.Bob what I meant is I can understand why he would be upset and want to go back because a few years back I had to move half way across the country from Texas where I had lived my whole life and it was a year and a half before I got to go back!
So I can understand why he would be upset, I myself was upset and depressed for some time.
But then when we went back things had changed and it was kind of weird and I felt like I had to re-aquant (sp?) myself with Texas and the people there.
So if MissReepicheep is right in what she said I can still relate to Peter even though I am a girl and he is a boy and he lived and ruled in a magical land for 15 years.
So I can understand why he would be upset, I myself was upset and depressed for some time.
But then when we went back things had changed and it was kind of weird and I felt like I had to re-aquant (sp?) myself with Texas and the people there.
So if MissReepicheep is right in what she said I can still relate to Peter even though I am a girl and he is a boy and he lived and ruled in a magical land for 15 years.
MrBob
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"Just so you know, Aslan's Messenger is a girl...
I think that may be part of what Mr. Bob's statement stems from"
Actually MissReep, I didn't knpw that AM was a girl
and it isn't relevant to anything I said. Boys and girls can understand anything each goes through because they can go through the same things.
With the Pevensies however, it is different. When in Narnia, the air works on them to make them remember everything better, especially regarding their skills. I take that to mean the same thing happens in England as well and the air makes them remember their English life better.
As I stated, having both memories in teh forefront could be devestating for their lives, especially for Edmund and Lucy who are the youngest. Edmund and Lucy, however, seemed to have the easiest transitions. Why it affected Peter and no one else is not explained in the movie.
This was what I was referring to, AM, how the memories worked and how you haven't gone from world to world. If you can understand Peter's anger, can you also understand Lucy's contentment? He shouldn't have been angry as he had no way to know that they would have gone back. They had been staying with a man who went to Narnia once and never again. In fact, two people alive then had previously gone to Narnia only once so there was no reason to expect to go back.
I can understand being upset or homesick, but not mutinous and getting into fights because of the unmet want to go back.
MrBob
I think that may be part of what Mr. Bob's statement stems from"
Actually MissReep, I didn't knpw that AM was a girl
and it isn't relevant to anything I said. Boys and girls can understand anything each goes through because they can go through the same things.With the Pevensies however, it is different. When in Narnia, the air works on them to make them remember everything better, especially regarding their skills. I take that to mean the same thing happens in England as well and the air makes them remember their English life better.
As I stated, having both memories in teh forefront could be devestating for their lives, especially for Edmund and Lucy who are the youngest. Edmund and Lucy, however, seemed to have the easiest transitions. Why it affected Peter and no one else is not explained in the movie.
This was what I was referring to, AM, how the memories worked and how you haven't gone from world to world. If you can understand Peter's anger, can you also understand Lucy's contentment? He shouldn't have been angry as he had no way to know that they would have gone back. They had been staying with a man who went to Narnia once and never again. In fact, two people alive then had previously gone to Narnia only once so there was no reason to expect to go back.
I can understand being upset or homesick, but not mutinous and getting into fights because of the unmet want to go back.
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tirian_son_of_erlian
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I can understand being upset or homesick, but not mutinous and getting into fights because of the unmet want to go back.
Same here. And I don't doubt that some people can relate to movie Peter in some ways. I cannot. I'm angry at the changes Adamson made and seems so proud of (watch the commentary). I really feel I was cheated out of book Peter's noble character and that it was completely unnecessary to make these changes. Not to say that they don't work cinematically in a way. But I think, for sure, a coherent, great film could have been made that was true to Peter's character.
Same here. And I don't doubt that some people can relate to movie Peter in some ways. I cannot. I'm angry at the changes Adamson made and seems so proud of (watch the commentary). I really feel I was cheated out of book Peter's noble character and that it was completely unnecessary to make these changes. Not to say that they don't work cinematically in a way. But I think, for sure, a coherent, great film could have been made that was true to Peter's character.
Aslans Messenger
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This was what I was referring to, AM, how the memories worked and how you haven't gone from world to world. If you can understand Peter's anger, can you also understand Lucy's contentment? He shouldn't have been angry as he had no way to know that they would have gone back. They had been staying with a man who went to Narnia once and never again. In fact, two people alive then had previously gone to Narnia only once so there was no reason to expect to go back.
I can understand being upset or homesick, but not mutinous and getting into fights because of the unmet want to go back.
I can understand both even though I felt both at different times, it wasn't until we went to Texas and then came back home that I could feel content so it took time but now I do feel content.
And when it comes to getting mad and into fights being upset about not being where I wanted to be it did give a very short temper and I was very snapish.
I can understand being upset or homesick, but not mutinous and getting into fights because of the unmet want to go back.
I can understand both even though I felt both at different times, it wasn't until we went to Texas and then came back home that I could feel content so it took time but now I do feel content.
And when it comes to getting mad and into fights being upset about not being where I wanted to be it did give a very short temper and I was very snapish.
Aslans Messenger
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This was what I was referring to, AM, how the memories worked and how you haven't gone from world to world. If you can understand Peter's anger, can you also understand Lucy's contentment? He shouldn't have been angry as he had no way to know that they would have gone back. They had been staying with a man who went to Narnia once and never again. In fact, two people alive then had previously gone to Narnia only once so there was no reason to expect to go back.
I can understand being upset or homesick, but not mutinous and getting into fights because of the unmet want to go back.
I can understand both even though I felt both at different times, it wasn't until we went to Texas and then came back home that I could feel content so it took time but now I do feel content.
And when it comes to getting mad and into fights being upset about not being where I wanted to be it did give a very short temper and I was very snapish.
I can understand being upset or homesick, but not mutinous and getting into fights because of the unmet want to go back.
I can understand both even though I felt both at different times, it wasn't until we went to Texas and then came back home that I could feel content so it took time but now I do feel content.
And when it comes to getting mad and into fights being upset about not being where I wanted to be it did give a very short temper and I was very snapish.
i feel so stupid now. Im going to go edit my post now. But seriously, so am I, and I can relate to Peter. Besides, when you dont know the gender of someone or something, it is grammatically correct to use HE. in my defense, cause I seriously feel stupid right now...
xD Okay. Don't feel stupid, because I've confused people's gender in the past.
Yes, you're right about the grammatical correctness of 'he'.
Aslans Messenger
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I have thought that a person was a girl and they were a boy and visa versa before also. 
MrBob
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For the record, I am male I have also had that problem of referring to one person as the different gender. It is a hazard of the anonymity of the internet and the atypical screen names that do not lend themselves to any gender.
"I can understand both even though I felt both at different times, it wasn't until we went to Texas and then came back home that I could feel content so it took time but now I do feel content.
And when it comes to getting mad and into fights being upset about not being where I wanted to be it did give a very short temper and I was very snapish."
I do understand where you are coming from, AM. I am just trying to state that Peter had much more experience that should have helped him with his demeanor. I would expect Peter to act in a better way than you, AM, as he has already been an adult and learned all of the lessons.
MrBob
I have also had that problem of referring to one person as the different gender. It is a hazard of the anonymity of the internet and the atypical screen names that do not lend themselves to any gender."I can understand both even though I felt both at different times, it wasn't until we went to Texas and then came back home that I could feel content so it took time but now I do feel content.
And when it comes to getting mad and into fights being upset about not being where I wanted to be it did give a very short temper and I was very snapish."
I do understand where you are coming from, AM. I am just trying to state that Peter had much more experience that should have helped him with his demeanor. I would expect Peter to act in a better way than you, AM, as he has already been an adult and learned all of the lessons.
MrBob
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Yes that dose make sense. And also something we don't know is the people he had been around sense they got back from Narnia, so we know that they were with the Professor for a time but then they went to school, what efect could his teachers had on him, his clase mates, other people in the community?
But he isn't REALLY a teenager. He is a fully mature, kingly adult trapped in a teenager's body. He grew to be an adult in Narnia, becoming mature, wise, and honorable. When he returned to our world, he was a kid again, but retained all of his memories and was an intellectual grown-up.
Liberty Hoffman
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I honestly don't mind Peter's additude in PC. it helped, IMO, with the plot, and I like how the Night Raid showed how Peter's character had gone wrong and how he needed Aslan. the way I see it, the night raid showed that without Aslan, Peter couldn't succeed.
QueenLucyTheValient
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I agree with you, Liberty. That is a good point, and an interesting way to look at it all. thanks for your input on this discussion.
I agree with Perthy as well, in that Peter may have had the mental maturity of a 30 year old, but had the phisical maturity of the 15-16 year old that he was. He would have had to deal with physically maturing all over again. That may have caused some of that. You guys may be able to confirm or deny that, because all I know is that when girls mature, they tend to have mood swings. My poor brother. heeheehee.
thanks for your input on this discussion.I agree with Perthy as well, in that Peter may have had the mental maturity of a 30 year old, but had the phisical maturity of the 15-16 year old that he was. He would have had to deal with physically maturing all over again. That may have caused some of that. You guys may be able to confirm or deny that, because all I know is that when girls mature, they tend to have mood swings.
My poor brother. heeheehee.- Status